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    I'm sorry if there is already a thread with the same questions

    1) Do all types have the same chances of reaching their own definition of happiness?

    2) Are all the types as "useful" or "valuable" to the "society" as others? Are some types destined to not have a meaningful existence?

    3) All types have strengths and weaknesses...so all of them enjoy "asymmetrical" advantages. Pondering all factors...is there a "strongest" type?

    4) Are the alpha quadra values regarded by everybody (B,especially G, D) as "Living like this is cool and everybody should behave like this but it's not practical in the long term"? Is it just my perception?
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    I'm sorry if there is already a thread with the same questions

    I haven't seen one.

    1) Do all types have the same chances of reaching their own definition of happiness?

    Yes.
    2) Are all the types as "useful" or "valuable" to the "society" as others? Are some types destined to not have a meaningful existence?

    Different societies tend to value different functions, so if your strongest functions don't line up with society values, then you might be more likely to be seen as not "useful" or "valuable". It doesn't mean that you are actually less useful or valuable. I'm just talking about perception here.

    Strongly disagree with the second part. Each type makes their own meaning, which I think stems from their valued functions. I think there may be individuals that fail to fulfill their personal vision of a meaningful existence maybe because their valued functions were discouraged or they faced dire circumstances which made pursuing their vision impossible. But I don't think any type is more or less likely to have failed to live a meaningful existence.

    3) All types have strengths and weaknesses...so all of them enjoy "asymmetrical" advantages. Pondering all factors...is there a "strongest" type?

    No. Each type has exactly the same number of strong functions and weak functions. According to socionics theory, no function is inherently better or worse than another, just different. However, society can perceive some types as stronger than others, which relates to that society's values. In America, for example, SLE and LIE are probably seen as "stronger" types than IEI or SEI.

    4) Are the alpha quadra values regarded by everybody (B,especially G, D) as "Living like this is cool and everybody should behave like this but it's not practical in the long term"? Is it just my perception?

    No. I think perception is colored by your own quadra values.
    Another alpha might think, yeah this is cool and I know its not practical in the long term, but I don't care because I'm not in it for the long term practicality

    A delta might think, it sounds cool but I'm not going to get involved in it if it doesn't yield a long term practical result.

    A gamma might think, it doesn't sound cool and even if it was I wouldn't do it anyway because its just not practical.

    Not sure what the beta thinks. I kinda think they might be less likely to care about the long term practicality (devalued ) but maybe they don't think the way of living is cool like the alphas do. Especially if the alphas are emphasizing a Si/Ne lifestyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    I'm sorry if there is already a thread with the same questions

    1) Do all types have the same chances of reaching their own definition of happiness?

    there are studies of people living in impoverished countries which indicate that no one is happy there. the idea is that happiness largely depends on having your basic needs met consistently and reliably. so in a society where people's needs are being met, yes, people have an equal chance of being happy. in an impoverished society, happiness is not even on the radar. at least according to these studies.

    2) Are all the types as "useful" or "valuable" to the "society" as others? Are some types destined to not have a meaningful existence?

    they are in the larger scheme of things. the theory of the socion is that we need everybody to do what they are designed to do. whether or not they are seen by the majority as useful depends upon who is in power and what values the power structure holds. usually the power structure is beta, gamma or delta.

    3) All types have strengths and weaknesses...so all of them enjoy "asymmetrical" advantages. Pondering all factors...is there a "strongest" type?

    strongest in what sense? see above. everyone is strong in certain kinds of circumstances and when certain kinds of information and skills are needed. i agree with warriorlibrarian that SLE and LIE are typically seen as most overtly strong.

    4) Are the alpha quadra values regarded by everybody (B,especially G, D) as "Living like this is cool and everybody should behave like this but it's not practical in the long term"? Is it just my perception?
    alphas value organic utopian ideals that even alphans cannot sustain over time. i think we all want to strive for organicity but we know we can't do it. the other quadras are more realistic about that than we are though. at times, we actually think it can be done. and there are moments, snapshots, when it actually is that way. but these moments pass quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post

    1) Do all types have the same chances of reaching their own definition of happiness?
    What makes a LII tick? Being knowledgeable and healthy? Theoretically, all LIIs can achieve this definition of happiness. What does the average SEE want? Lots of money? Harass co-workers? If so, there is no room for all SEEs.

    4) Are the alpha quadra values regarded by everybody (B,especially G, D) as "Living like this is cool and everybody should behave like this but it's not practical in the long term"? Is it just my perception?
    In my opinion, most people "KNOW" being "nice"/lighthearted/easygoing (FeSi) and "intellectual" (TiNe) is great and some even try to be, with limited success.
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    1) Do all types have the same chances of reaching their own definition of happiness?
    Yes

    2) Are all the types as "useful" or "valuable" to the "society" as others? Are some types destined to not have a meaningful existence?
    No. No. Different societies favor different types. If you feel meaningless, move.

    3) All types have strengths and weaknesses...so all of them enjoy "asymmetrical" advantages. Pondering all factors...is there a "strongest" type?
    Yes. SLEs are more interested in physical strength. Not that that's a major factor in today's world.

    4) Are the alpha quadra values regarded by everybody (B,especially G, D) as "Living like this is cool and everybody should behave like this but it's not practical in the long term"? Is it just my perception?
    "Living like this is silly and everybody could behave like this but it's not practical in the long term."

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