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    Default INFjs/ENFps how do you fit Humanitarian Club?

    How do you see the NF club as applying to yourselves?

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    hmm I'm generally more preoccupied with my internalized world than with external, material, concerns; I spend a lot of time conjuring memories, ideas, feelings towards people and ideological thoughts (views, ethics, etc). I think a lot of my views and thoughts are rather unrealistic but naively optimistic nonetheless...
    I feel inept and disquiet in situations that deal with tangible matters, especially when it pertains to needing to be, or feeling that I should be, more assertive or/and self-assured. I constantly doubt my abilities and capabilities in productive application (i.e. "can I do this? Am I doing this right? Do I look stupid doing this?" etc)
    Basically, I feel confident in issues that deal with my personal beliefs, and views towards ethics, feelings, humanism, ideological conceptualization, and pretty much anything that bares no material benefits
    I feel least confident in issues dealing with confrontation/assertiveness, productive practicality, proficiency, logistics and pretty much anything that *dose* bare material benefits :frown:

    eh all this self reflecting has reminded me about how much I fail at self-preservation, thanks Gul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    thanks Gul
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    I bear the pain of the world on my shoulders.

    lol jk
    Seriously though, much of what Marie said I associate with. My focus is much less on the external world (hooray internal statics!) and much more on the subjective qualities of and subjective experiences in the world I live in.
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    "we care about people" would be their motto, sometimes left unspoken but always felt and...well...genuine.

    IMO.

    I'm not delta NF but why wouldn't I give my opinion on the issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
    "we care about people" would be their motto, sometimes left unspoken but always felt and...well...genuine.

    IMO.

    I'm not delta NF but why wouldn't I give my opinion on the issue?
    It's actually kinda weird to think about delta NFs in a sort of "we care about people" way. Sure I care about people, but I always figured that it was in a way that everybody treated everybody else. It's just never something that consciously crosses my mind; "I care about this person" isn't something that's consciously acknowledged, although I'll definitely act upon such feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    hmm I'm generally more preoccupied with my internalized world than with external, material, concerns; I spend a lot of time conjuring memories, ideas, feelings towards people and ideological thoughts (views, ethics, etc). I think a lot of my views and thoughts are rather unrealistic but naively optimistic nonetheless...
    I feel inept and disquiet in situations that deal with tangible matters, especially when it pertains to needing to be, or feeling that I should be, more assertive or/and self-assured. I constantly doubt my abilities and capabilities in productive application (i.e. "can I do this? Am I doing this right? Do I look stupid doing this?" etc)
    Basically, I feel confident in issues that deal with my personal beliefs, and views towards ethics, feelings, humanism, ideological conceptualization, and pretty much anything that bares no material benefits
    I feel least confident in issues dealing with confrontation/assertiveness, productive practicality, proficiency, logistics and pretty much anything that *dose* bare material benefits :frown:

    eh all this self reflecting has reminded me about how much I fail at self-preservation, thanks Gul
    Why are you selling yourself short? I don't see why things have to be either/or when it comes to what you are good at... If you doubt your abilities to be productive, assertive, etc, then you could always clear them, right? I also doubt that you actually suck at self-preservation, believe in yourself. That kind of talk frustrates me, lol.

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    I tend to see Delta NFs as open-minded, interpersonally aware and engaged.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    My favorite ENFP youtube video up to this day...


    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    ..great.

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    And here's a case of a clearly mistyped Delta. (Well she might be ENFP in MBTI, but def. not in socionics. Prolly ENFj)



    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
    ..great.
    She's pretty sweet, isn't she? I'm not 100% sure about her type, but IEE seems like a pretty safe bet.



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    Because I prefer the company of NFs...I value NF traits the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post
    She's pretty sweet, isn't she?
    She is.

    I'm not 100% sure about her type, but IEE is a pretty good guess.
    I would've guessed the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post
    And here's a case of a clearly mistyped Delta. (Well she might be ENFP in MBTI, but def. not in socionics. Prolly ENFj)

    YouTube - Official ENFPness

    Haha, this is funny too. But in a different way.

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    Parkster, that girl is so ENFp it makes me smile

    I of course mean the real one, not the fake thing in the blue dress.
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    "And above all, watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely places. Those who don't believe in magic will never find it." -Roald Dahl

    http://forum.socionix.com/
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    Parkster, I agree with the Adriana being IEE (she VIs Fi-IEE too i think, what say you Galen?), and the other one being Fe-ego, most likely beta NF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    I of course mean the real one, not the fake thing in the blue dress.
    lol

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    i haven't seen much information about clubs and i don't think i really have a firm enough conception of them to give a comprehensive answer. i'm interested in humanitarian topics and i have trouble feeling on top of, uhh, tangible, real world concerns. i identify with most of what marie said.
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    Am i the only one who thinks Adriana seems ESE?

    hm.. NF, i'm intrested in how the world and different societies develops in a social perspective, depending on how it's influenced by for example changes in the economy that leads to different political ideologies becoming more popular and thus altering the values and attitude of people or groups.

    but i don't give a fxxk about saving the whales or donating money to orphans in regions that need to stabilize themselves without external influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protoss View Post
    Am i the only one who thinks Adriana seems ESE?

    hm.. NF, i'm intrested in how the world and different societies develops in a social perspective, depending on how it's influenced by for example changes in the economy that leads to different political ideologies becoming more popular and thus altering the values and attitude of people or groups.

    but i don't give a fxxk about saving the whales or donating money to orphans in regions that need to stabilize themselves without external influence.
    i think that sort of stuff sounds beta to me. My impression so far is that deltas just want to eat cake and have the heating on in the winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    Why are you selling yourself short? I don't see why things have to be either/or when it comes to what you are good at... If you doubt your abilities to be productive, assertive, etc, then you could always clear them, right? I also doubt that you actually suck at self-preservation, believe in yourself. That kind of talk frustrates me, lol.
    I think I was projecting a lot of self-worth issues probably from having my ego stomped all over by the people who raised me. You're right that it's best to just try to believe in yourself and just triumph over doubts, but it's hard to realistically maintain that mindset
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    Quote Originally Posted by protoss View Post
    Am i the only one who thinks Adriana seems ESE?
    no I see it too, but I'm not sure, benefits can seem alike...
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    Quote Originally Posted by protoss View Post
    Am i the only one who thinks Adriana seems ESE?

    hm.. NF, i'm intrested in how the world and different societies develops in a social perspective, depending on how it's influenced by for example changes in the economy that leads to different political ideologies becoming more popular and thus altering the values and attitude of people or groups.

    but i don't give a fxxk about saving the whales or donating money to orphans in regions that need to stabilize themselves without external influence.
    She does actually seem ESE a little bit, and she reminds me a little of my ESE friend, but she VI's IEE. I've read that IEEs can copy the level of Fe around them (for Fi purposes). And she's hispanic. The hispanic culture tends to involve a lot more Fe than the "standard" american culture, ime. I still thought her Fe seemed relatively subdued. Maybe her roomie is ESE?
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    She does seem a bit effervescent to me, but I couldn't work out if she was just excited as she was on camera or not, so I don't know for sure her type. She does look a little ENFp though, but I don't particularly rate my VI skills.

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    my impression is IEE, but i think it's funny how much enthusiasm she's able to conjur up alone in front of a camera, especially in the first video

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    (she VIs Fi-IEE too i think, what say you Galen?)
    Hmm, I'm legitimately not sure about subtype for her. She resembles representatives of both subtypes imo (Michelle Branch and Vanessa Carlton, Ne and Fi respectively). Were I forced to say anything now, I'd say Ne sub because she seems less, uh... subdued (?) than I'd expect from Fi. But again, it's a really tough call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    my impression is IEE, but i think it's funny how much enthusiasm she's able to conjur up alone in front of a camera, especially in the first video
    Yeah i admit that's a little different from me and the IEEs i know, but IEEs can be more outgoing and less outgoing, and like i said, she may be surrounded by a more outgoing culture that she matches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    I of course mean the real one, not the fake thing in the blue dress.


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    I'd marry her right now. =)
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    LOL parkster has a new idol!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post
    And here's a case of a clearly mistyped Delta. (Well she might be ENFP in MBTI, but def. not in socionics. Prolly ENFj)

    YouTube - Official ENFPness

    thank god for that.

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    I love in Adriana's second video when she gets distracted by the piece of lint (or whatever it is) on her clothes, and then picks it up and flicks it away with an "ew"! Totally something I would do...little things out of place like that really bug me. And especially stuff on my clothes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post
    And here's a case of a clearly mistyped Delta. (Well she might be ENFP in MBTI, but def. not in socionics. Prolly ENFj)

    YouTube - Official ENFPness

    I couldn't stand to finish watching this after a couple minutes...
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