Why do so many seem to think that I'm ENTj

[stevENTj]

Or if not LIE, at least a pretty firm not ILI?

Ignore my screen name for now because that's more of a joke than anything at this point. So give me your best reasons as to why you think I'm LIE or "not ILI".

I can procrastinate just as good as anybody else can. I'll leave big assignments till the eleventh hour and then FLY through it right down to the wire. It does require a monumental amount of effort to get myself off my duff and to go do stuff quite a bit. I can lose track of when bills are due like a champ too, along with other daily grind mundane things. My working space is typically a gigantic pile of "organized chaos" like any typical ILI. I always felt very awkward growing up, had a bit of a social phobia, and had great difficulty making friends like many ILIs have reported. And I too suffer from analysis paralysis and a complete inability to make decisions at times.

So why am I not ILI?

Okay go.

[Creepy-male]

I would guess the thing that throws people is the amount of bubbly energy in your posts.

I mean, you've seen the amount of smilies you use. And beyond that, you're a very enthusiastic poster.

For me at least, were I to form an opinion on your type, it would be a bit of a stretch for me to believe you're a Fe PoLR. Even in comparison to Aixelsyd, who has a reasonably cheery character on the forums, you're in a league of your own when it comes to your expressive energy.

Please be gentle with me if I'm just horribly screwing up Socionics here or something

[Azeroffs]

I would guess the thing that throws people is the amount of bubbly energy in your posts.

I mean, you've seen the amount of smilies you use. And beyond that, you're a very enthusiastic poster.

Yes! this.

It's not just in my head.

[FDG]

I would guess the thing that throws people is the amount of bubbly energy in your posts.

I mean, you've seen the amount of smilies you use. And beyond that, you're a very enthusiastic poster.

For me at least, were I to form an opinion on your type, it would be a bit of a stretch for me to believe you're a Fe PoLR. Even in comparison to Aixelsyd, who has a reasonably cheery character on the forums, you're in a league of your own when it comes to your expressive energy.

Yeah, I agree.

[Azeroffs]

Well, I definitely don't think ILI is out of the question.

Really the main thing that makes me think LIE > ILI is just the way you come across. ILIs, to me, have a heavier feel about them. Basically they just seem like downers in general (no offense, I still love you guys). You sound more up-beat. But, then again, it could just be in my head since obviously I can't actually hear you. There just seems to be color in the way you say things.

Also, so you know, I relate to everything you said ^

Except for the analysis paralysis part. I can't recall a time when I wasn't able to make a clear decision, even if it was to wait until I'm able to get more information.

To this day I have a slight social phobia and trouble establishing new relationships. Although, you probably wouldn't know now unless I told you. People have told me that I come off distant and blocked off but that I'm a pleasure to talk to after things start warming up. I consider this one of my biggest problems that I've spent most my life trying to correct. In high school, I would consciously force myself to talk to people I didn't know.

To be fair, I still consider ILI for myself now and then.




The thing that makes me believe that I'm LIE > ILI is my ability to portray a friendly facade even when I'm really uncomfortable. I can almost feel myself change 'modes' like I'm switching roles. I get focused in on my facial movements become a lot more vibrant and tend to instinctually respond with laughing. I especially love to mock emotional reactions. I'll make sarcastic emotive responses as jokes.. people don't always get it but I find it funny. One person made a comment that it seems like I have characters that I act out now and then. But basically, I can jokingly communicate via expressions to a limit, but when it comes down to it I'm far more comfortable speaking seriously, factually, and directly. I get uncomfortable in atmospheres focused on emotional expression that feeds off each other. I can only do what's customary or go into an overt mockery of it.

[ilikesex]

Or if not LIE, at least a pretty firm not ILI?

Ignore my screen name for now because that's more of a joke than anything at this point. So give me your best reasons as to why you think I'm LIE or "not ILI".

I can procrastinate just as good as anybody else can. I'll leave big assignments till the eleventh hour and then FLY through it right down to the wire. It does require a monumental amount of effort to get myself off my duff and to go do stuff quite a bit. I can lose track of when bills are due like a champ too, along with other daily grind mundane things. My working space is typically a gigantic pile of "organized chaos" like any typical ILI. I always felt very awkward growing up, had a bit of a social phobia, and had great difficulty making friends like many ILIs have reported. And I too suffer from analysis paralysis and a complete inability to make decisions at times.

So why am I not ILI?

Okay go.

a functional analysis of your rebuttal speaks for itself.

[stevENTj]

a functional analysis of your rebuttal speaks for itself.

Would you mind expanding on that a little bit? I can be a little slow sometimes.

[nanashi]

I use so many smilies in my posts they are on backorder

[Azeroffs]

I use so many smilies in my posts they are on backorder

It's not as much about the smileys as it is about the feel of the post.

[stevENTj]

Wow lots of good responses and points. Here's a quick reply for now but I'll get to more later.

On smilies, yeah I use them, but I think this is more learned behavior than anything else. On the forums I used to admin I used to use no smilies at all but then people complained that they had no idea how to take my posts and were 'afraid' of me. So I lightened things up a bit with smilies, but then people thought I was going overboard so I dialed the smilies back to medium. Without the smilies people would think I'm being overly harsh, negative, or criticizing when I really wasn't trying to be and wanted to keep the atmosphere more light-hearted and upbeat.

On usage, again I think this is more learned behavior than anything.

On general 'post enthusiasim'. At least recently, I think you could attribute that more to this website finally, potentially, having an atmosphere that's to my liking without all of the dumb flaming. It's a bit depressing when there's a topic that I'm really interested in learning more about, and discussing and sharing ideas and information on but all of the forums for it suck.

Positivist vs Negativist

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Positivists

• More inclined to optimize already functional systems of things and processes.
• "This glass is half-full", "We have already collected $438,000 for that project"
• Usually more complimenting than reprimanding.
• Socially and intellectually more trusting.
• Explains what things are (irrationals) or should be (rationals).

Negativists

• More inclined to solve problems in systems of things and processes.
• "This glass is half-empty", "We need $62,000 for that project"
• Usually more reprimanding than complimenting.
• Socially and intellectually more mistrusting.
• Explains what things are not (irrationals) or should not be (rationals).

I'm definitely more negativist than positivist. The positivist traits you might see again I think is more learned behavior than anything. My wife the ESI is incredibly negativist so to balance that out maybe I've become more positivist via developing other functions. I don't think that means I'm not ILI or that I must be LIE though.

Remember I'm a bit older than many of you - I'll be 33 in like two weeks. So I've had that much more time to develop my weaker functions.

[stevENTj]

Oh one question I have for ILIs and people here. I see that most of the ILIs describe themselves as being Te sub-types. Maybe I'm mistaken in what that means? My impression was that TE sub-type ILIs could very well act and appear more like ILIs than LIEs, and the converse being that Ni sub-type LIEs maybe might seem more like they're ILI, or just "lazy" LIEs. With a Te sub-type ILI they'll emphasize the judging function more and appear more like an LIE. Is that still the generally accepted view of things? If so, are all of you Te sub-type ILIs sure that's really what you are and not Ni sub-type ILIs? For the ILIs here that declare a sub-type, I don't think I've seen one single one declaring themselves to be the Ni sub-type.

[FDG]

Oh one question I have for ILIs and people here. I see that most of the ILIs describe themselves as being Te sub-types. Maybe I'm mistaken in what that means? My impression was that TE sub-type ILIs could very well act and appear more like ILIs than LIEs, and the converse being that Ni sub-type LIEs maybe might seem more like they're ILI, or just "lazy" LIEs. With a Te sub-type ILI they'll emphasize the judging function more and appear more like an LIE. Is that still the generally accepted view of things? If so, are all of you Te sub-type ILIs sure that's really what you are and not Ni sub-type ILIs? For the ILIs here that declare a sub-type, I don't think I've seen one single one declaring themselves to be the Ni sub-type.

Generally the understanding is that a Te-subtype ILI won't be more similar to a LIE, but rather to a SLI (basically, each temperament would form a ring, with each subtype nearer to either the preceeding or the following quadra inside a given temperament - but equally far from types pertaining to different temperament-rings). Otherwise, who would (for example) a Te-subtype LIE or Fe-subtype ESE be more similar to, in his/her own quadra?

By the way, I personally don't agree about the potential downsides deriving from duality. The only problematic duality relationship I've had was with an ISFj with bpd, otherwise they've all been quite smooth and easy to start.

[Words]

Or if not LIE, at least a pretty firm not ILI?

Ignore my screen name for now because that's more of a joke than anything at this point. So give me your best reasons as to why you think I'm LIE or "not ILI".

I can procrastinate just as good as anybody else can. I'll leave big assignments till the eleventh hour and then FLY through it right down to the wire. It does require a monumental amount of effort to get myself off my duff and to go do stuff quite a bit. I can lose track of when bills are due like a champ too, along with other daily grind mundane things. My working space is typically a gigantic pile of "organized chaos" like any typical ILI. I always felt very awkward growing up, had a bit of a social phobia, and had great difficulty making friends like many ILIs have reported. And I too suffer from analysis paralysis and a complete inability to make decisions at times.

So why am I not ILI?

Okay go.

I don't have an opinion on your type as I think you said you are 32 so I am unconfident in my ability to determine your type and seperate it from a more evolved personality.

However, I would say that you don't have the same approach to debating as for instance user aiss, so maybe this is why people don't think your INTp, for example.

[DirectorAbbie]

So why am I not ILI?

Because your username states pretty clearly that you're an ENTj.

[Absurd]

Because your username states pretty clearly that you're an ENTj.

It looks like Steven T junior to me.

[stevENTj]

Because your username states pretty clearly that you're an ENTj.

[munenori2]

IS YOUR NAME EVEN STEVE???!

[stevENTj]

IS YOUR NAME EVEN STEVE???!

Why yes, yes it is, just like all the other Steve's on this forum who were all LIE's. I think there were like three of us at one time or another, way back in the day. Three Steve/LIE's.

[munenori2]

Los tres mentiras!

[stevENTj]

Yeah ok. Next?

[Ave]

Or if not LIE, at least a pretty firm not ILI?

Ignore my screen name for now because that's more of a joke than anything at this point. So give me your best reasons as to why you think I'm LIE or "not ILI".

I can procrastinate just as good as anybody else can. I'll leave big assignments till the eleventh hour and then FLY through it right down to the wire. It does require a monumental amount of effort to get myself off my duff and to go do stuff quite a bit. I can lose track of when bills are due like a champ too, along with other daily grind mundane things. My working space is typically a gigantic pile of "organized chaos" like any typical ILI. I always felt very awkward growing up, had a bit of a social phobia, and had great difficulty making friends like many ILIs have reported. And I too suffer from analysis paralysis and a complete inability to make decisions at times.

So why am I not ILI?

Okay go.

The social inhibition not included, I dont think LIEs would be exempt from experiening any of the stuff you describe. Messy desk? why not. Procrastination? Well I can do that too, and I pretty sure Im EJ. Id say LIEs have a harder time doing stuff then ILIs do, since their is actually weaker. In the Igor Weisband desciptions LIEs are described as absent minded professors so I dont see why not paying bills and losing stuff, etc would be more ILI than LIE.

[FDG]

The social inhibition not included, I dont think LIEs would be exempt from experiening any of the stuff you describe. Messy desk? why not. Procrastination? Well I can do that too, and I pretty sure Im EJ. Id say LIEs have a harder time doing stuff then ILIs do, since their is actually weaker. In the Igor Weisband desciptions LIEs are described as absent minded professors so I dont see why not paying bills and losing stuff, etc would be more ILI than LIE.

I don't think LIEs are likely to procrastinate work stuff, but definitely very likely to forget about bills and have a messy desk. OTOH I can't really see them (us) as having social phobia and being particularly awkward.