How to attract ESFp women

[carrina]

A) I would've replied to anyone regarding my different experience with types when I read general statements. I've nothing agsinst you or what you said. Relax. I quite mean what I say about the NiTes I know being very direct.

B) also what social media are you talking about? And not sure what relationship association you are talking about.... Our types? Feel free to PM to enlighten me.

That's not gonna happen. You've had my input. Moving on

[1981slater]

How to attract women:

1) have a hot body
2) have a lot of money
3) let them know you have more women in your life
4) be famous
5) put some magnet in their clothes and switch on a magnetic device

[blackburry]

That's not gonna happen. You've had my input. Moving on

Alright. Super creepy that you posted my name and not sure how you know my name.Delete it. Or @mods- mind editting it out from her post? (Bc you and I have never talked) (as I so graciously asked you in pm what you were referring to in regards to your vague, strange post above). To which you respond here instead. And yes, I do stand by my post that you overreacted at FDG's post. Just as you are overreacting to my post.


*edit: confused threads-- name is mentioned in Mirror thread.

[Jarno]

I have the idea that Ni types tend to set things up for people to come to them. Essentially they do everything without ever actually doing anything if that makes any sense. A good analogy would be that they set up the dominoes for Se types to knock down. Ni types secretly take control over situations without ever letting you know, and they're sneaky and a bit manipulative in that way. Maybe that's more the case for ENxjs who take a more active approach. They say and do the right things to make it seem like it was your decision when in reality it was them pulling your strings. I think it's more innocent than I made it sound, though. Ni-types just have strong insights into how what they do will affect the way things go, and they know the subtle buttons to push.

Quite nice insights especially the last line is correct. I noticed it in myself at some age that I used to predict on forehand what kind of reaction a certain sentence would give to another person before i said it. It's even more pronounced in writing. Also I once worked with an ENTJ/LIE where the difference was striking. He was explaining stuff in a way that was more like spilling out words, so he got rid of them, but he had not thought of whether i would understand his words. But the ILI usually thinks and searches for the right words, so the opposite side understands what is being said. I guess subtle button pushing is second nature for ILI. They secretly play with it sometimes. They are usually very aware of what kind of impressions they will activate in the other.

[hatesyardwork]

Took me a minute to get what you meant with the black thing i almost thought you were pulling a race card on me... Jk
I almost understand the caregiver attitudes and then i date an SLI and cringe. I'm a grown ass woman please do not even try cutting my steak for me i will put you in friend zone so quick...
Also, when people try to court me assertively my response internally "HELPPP"
Lmao yeah the romantic attitudes are very accurate.

It was a shit analogy.........was trying for the Gotta be a Gamma to understand, glad you picked up on it.
The romance attitudes are stunningly accurate. Yes
Trying isfj on for a little while?............please tell

[hatesyardwork]

Previously (before Socionics) i did not know or have words for these preferences. It was just a bunch of confusion

YES. The way you go on about the Ni/Se perfection.......I totally hear you. For me it feels like your favorite and softest sweater..........fits and feels perfect. I read your enthusiasm and nod, I can tell you fully believe in the quadra dynamics..........so do I.......fits and feels perfect. We are frustrated actors who has been playing all the wrong roles and now we have this amazing script with this amazing character that we feel we were born to play, and we understand his failures and his heartbreak and his frustration and we know that all he wants is to be happy, he just never knew how to do it and this new script shows him the way. This story has a happy ending.

[hatesyardwork]

As a Victim type, it is good to see some people actually appreciating the "challenge" I make myself to be. Those who don't like it just judge this behaviour as "playing hard to get". But they don't get it. I am not playing; this is real and authentic, I can't be anything else! I am not even consciously thinking to myself: "Okay, I will do this and that just to play hard to get." I do it naturally, unconsciously. I believe this idea of "having to play hard to get" is a realization by non-Victim females, whose crushes were Aggressor males disinterested in someone not "challenging enough" (and likely too Caretaker-ish).

I could see most other Victims relating to this feeling that oneself is the main challenge, and the little challenges in order to "get me" are the steps towards the top. Essentially, those challenging tasks are ways to test the strength and worthiness of the (Se) pursuer.

Now, in regards to male Gamma NTs with female Gamma SFs... Their challenging is much more subtle, than the one employed by female Beta NFs with male Beta STs.
As @hatesyardwork has illustrated, male Gamma Victims show their challenge in being (mostly) unapproachable, and (seemingly) unfazed by most of the things anyone does to "seduce" them. @carrina has nicely described the Aggressor's response to that as this endless "poking". The Gamma Aggressor keeps poking the Gamma Victim. Especially the female SEE will do so, and with the male ILI she'll think all the while: "Why is he not responding like a normal human being, is he dead?! (I have to find out!)" Gamma SFs find great pleasure in "(re-)animating" the Gamma NT. By being physical with the ILI (e.g physical touch), the SEE will try to bring the ILI out of their physical apathy and immobility, first and foremost. Whereas the main goal of the ESI will be to "animate" the LEI's conscience (Fi) through ethical stirring: "Do you really think that way? Don't you have a heart? It's truly immoral, you should know better! This is how it is right..."

So... I could see SEEs, male or female alike, being attracted to people who seem "immovable" and removed from the natural flow of life. Someone who seems very much to be their own microcosm internally (Ni lead). You could say, someone who has an "otherworldliness" about them. (SLEs and LSI-Se are likely to find this intriguing, too.)

The ESI may find a similar despondence attractive as well (esp. when Se subtype), but their main attraction would be to someone who seems to be in need of help with matters of the heart and/or morality. Someone who seems so polished, accomplished, knowledgable, directive (Te lead), but has got that vulnerable soft spot they guard so strongly (weak Fi).

EIIs are drawn to a similar person, given their dual is also Te lead and Fi-seeking. The way the interaction with their Dual, the LSE, plays out is different, though. The EII will attract the LSE by exuding a Childlike disposition, someone in awe of wonders in the world, while being extremely concerned with properly taking care of people/humanity, usually through humanitarian efforts (pseudo-caretaking). The LSE will take on the responsibilities of a practical Caregiver more and more the closer he gets with the EII, thereby removing the stress that has accumulated in the EII. Also, the LSE won't "play games" as much as the LIE will. The LIE is much more more "immovable" like the ILI (Ni/Victim), and by doing so tests the ESI. The LSE may seem "immovable" emotionally because of weak Feeling, but not physically nor erotically – the latter applies much more to the ILI and LIE-Ni. There is no to little "testing" of strength with the LSE; their Dual is not supposed to be "strong" anyhow, having Vulnerable Se. When the LSE is interested, they are more prone to let it be known, whereas it can be a guessing game with the LIE for as long as you have not "convinced" them of your worth yet (Victim mindset). EIIs will be confused by such an attitude and likely experience low self-esteem as a result, whereas ESI will find it intriguing and stimulating, making them want to "prove themselves".

Liebes,, das ist wunderbar.

[carrina]

It was a shit analogy.........was trying for the Gotta be a Gamma to understand, glad you picked up on it.
The romance attitudes are stunningly accurate. Yes
Trying isfj on for a little while?............please tell

Not too much to tell there. I've been typing as ESI for a few years. I just don't really come here enough to change it
It was decent.

[Beautiful sky]

As a Victim type, it is good to see some people actually appreciating the "challenge" I make myself to be. Those who don't like it just judge this behaviour as "playing hard to get". But they don't get it. I am not playing; this is real and authentic, I can't be anything else! I am not even consciously thinking to myself: "Okay, I will do this and that just to play hard to get." I do it naturally, unconsciously. I believe this idea of "having to play hard to get" is a realization by non-Victim females, whose crushes were Aggressor males disinterested in someone not "challenging enough" (and likely too Caretaker-ish).

I could see most other Victims relating to this feeling that oneself is the main challenge, and the little challenges in order to "get me" are the steps towards the top. Essentially, those challenging tasks are ways to test the strength and worthiness of the (Se) pursuer.

Now, in regards to male Gamma NTs with female Gamma SFs... Their challenging is much more subtle, than the one employed by female Beta NFs with male Beta STs.
As @hatesyardwork has illustrated, male Gamma Victims show their challenge in being (mostly) unapproachable, and (seemingly) unfazed by most of the things anyone does to "seduce" them. @carrina has nicely described the Aggressor's response to that as this endless "poking". The Gamma Aggressor keeps poking the Gamma Victim. Especially the female SEE will do so, and with the male ILI she'll think all the while: "Why is he not responding like a normal human being, is he dead?! (I have to find out!)" Gamma SFs find great pleasure in "(re-)animating" the Gamma NT. By being physical with the ILI (e.g physical touch), the SEE will try to bring the ILI out of their physical apathy and immobility, first and foremost. Whereas the main goal of the ESI will be to "animate" the LEI's conscience (Fi) through ethical stirring: "Do you really think that way? Don't you have a heart? It's truly immoral, you should know better! This is how it is right..."

So... I could see SEEs, male or female alike, being attracted to people who seem "immovable" and removed from the natural flow of life. Someone who seems very much to be their own microcosm internally (Ni lead). You could say, someone who has an "otherworldliness" about them. (SLEs and LSI-Se are likely to find this intriguing, too.)

The ESI may find a similar despondence attractive as well (esp. when Se subtype), but their main attraction would be to someone who seems to be in need of help with matters of the heart and/or morality. Someone who seems so polished, accomplished, knowledgable, directive (Te lead), but has got that vulnerable soft spot they guard so strongly (weak Fi).

EIIs are drawn to a similar person, given their dual is also Te lead and Fi-seeking. The way the interaction with their Dual, the LSE, plays out is different, though. The EII will attract the LSE by exuding a Childlike disposition, someone in awe of wonders in the world, while being extremely concerned with properly taking care of people/humanity, usually through humanitarian efforts (pseudo-caretaking). The LSE will take on the responsibilities of a practical Caregiver more and more the closer he gets with the EII, thereby removing the stress that has accumulated in the EII. Also, the LSE won't "play games" as much as the LIE will. The LIE is much more more "immovable" like the ILI (Ni/Victim), and by doing so tests the ESI. The LSE may seem "immovable" emotionally because of weak Feeling, but not physically nor erotically – the latter applies much more to the ILI and LIE-Ni. There is no to little "testing" of strength with the LSE; their Dual is not supposed to be "strong" anyhow, having Vulnerable Se. When the LSE is interested, they are more prone to let it be known, whereas it can be a guessing game with the LIE for as long as you have not "convinced" them of your worth yet (Victim mindset). EIIs will be confused by such an attitude and likely experience low self-esteem as a result, whereas ESI will find it intriguing and stimulating, making them want to "prove themselves".

Oh yes. LSE will ask an EII to be their gf in a week and even ask how many kids she wants on the first date

[Olimpia]

Oh yes. LSE will ask an EII to be their gf in a week and even ask how many kids she wants on the first date

Ha, right. That's probably a good way to tell LSE apart from LIE and vice versa; look at their Romantic behaviour.
You won't experience such simple straightforwardness with an LIE, unless they are a really strong Te subtype perhaps.

[Olimpia]

But the ILI usually thinks and searches for the right words, so the opposite side understands what is being said. I guess subtle button pushing is second nature for ILI. They secretly play with it sometimes. They are usually very aware of what kind of impressions they will activate in the other.

I can confirm I do the same as an IEI-Ni.
It must be an Ni lead thing.
Though I sometimes almost feel a bit guilty for doing so... I guess ILI does not really experience that?

[Satan]

Oh yes. LSE will ask an EII to be their gf in a week and even ask how many kids she wants on the first date

so how many kids did you say.

[Satan]

As a Victim type, it is good to see some people actually appreciating the "challenge" I make myself to be. Those who don't like it just judge this behaviour as "playing hard to get". But they don't get it. I am not playing; this is real and authentic, I can't be anything else! I am not even consciously thinking to myself: "Okay, I will do this and that just to play hard to get." I do it naturally, unconsciously. I believe this idea of "having to play hard to get" is a realization by non-Victim females, whose crushes were Aggressor males disinterested in someone not "challenging enough" (and likely too Caretaker-ish).

Reads like an essay.

I could see most other Victims relating to this feeling that oneself is the main challenge, and the little challenges in order to "get me" are the steps
towards the top. Essentially, those challenging tasks are ways to test the strength and worthiness of the (Se) pursuer.

I think all types do something similar in their own way. (matched to the types they desire, or think they desire)

Now, in regards to male Gamma NTs with female Gamma SFs... Their challenging is much more subtle, than the one employed by female Beta NFs with male Beta STs.
As @hatesyardwork has illustrated, male Gamma Victims show their challenge in being (mostly) unapproachable, and (seemingly) unfazed by most of the things anyone does to "seduce" them. @carrina has nicely described the Aggressor's response to that as this endless "poking". The Gamma Aggressor keeps poking the Gamma Victim. Especially the female SEE will do so, and with the male ILI she'll think all the while: "Why is he not responding like a normal human being, is he dead?! (I have to find out!)" Gamma SFs find great pleasure in "(re-)animating" the Gamma NT. By being physical with the ILI (e.g physical touch), the SEE will try to bring the ILI out of their physical apathy and immobility, first and foremost. Whereas the main goal of the ESI will be to "animate" the LEI's conscience (Fi) through ethical stirring: "Do you really think that way? Don't you have a heart? It's truly immoral, you should know better! This is how it is right..."

Lack of Fe makes things seem stiff. But nuances and all that.

So... I could see SEEs, male or female alike, being attracted to people who seem "immovable" and removed from the natural flow of life. Someone who seems very much to be their own microcosm internally (Ni lead). You could say, someone who has an "otherworldliness" about them. (SLEs and LSI-Se are likely to find this intriguing, too.)

Yeah.

The ESI may find a similar despondence attractive as well (esp. when Se subtype), but their main attraction would be to someone who seems to be in need of help with matters of the heart and/or morality. Someone who seems so polished, accomplished, knowledgable, directive (Te lead), but has got that vulnerable soft spot they guard so strongly (weak Fi).

HAHAHHAHA. Sorry I know, you're being serious. But that just sounds so funny.

ESI are very staunch, but kind of rigid. I think they want to help in general, it's just that a type like LIE gives them enough to keep them entertained or whatever it is they get out of it.

[Satan]

TBH, I think ESFp wear out most types. But INTp come pre worn out. And don't get more worn out.

[Olimpia]

Reads like an essay.

Anything wrong with that?

I think all types do something similar in their own way. (matched to the types they desire, or think they desire)

Hm, good thought. I could see that. Everyone has some kind of internal checklist in terms of what they desire. Well, just with Victim-Aggressor people in particular it becomes like a tournament of sorts. With Childlike-Caretaker, it is more like literally going through a checklist at the doctor's, haha: "Got this? Yes? Okay, let's move on. How about this? Okay. Yeah. What do you think about this issue? Okay, I can work with that."

HAHAHHAHA. Sorry I know, you're being serious. But that just sounds so funny.

Haha, I know what you mean. I was trying to write down what an ESI in love with an LIE might think, haha!
It also sounded a bit weird to me, personally. I certainly would not think this way. xD

ESI are very staunch, but kind of rigid. I think they want to help in general, it's just that a type like LIE gives them enough to keep them entertained or whatever it is they get out of it.

Yeah, true. ESI are more selective with their help, in a way. LIE puts them in the position of wanting to try harder somehow.

[Beautiful sky]

so how many kids did you say.

I joked and said a dozen.

[Olimpia]

I joked and said a dozen.

At the very beginning of the relationship between my LSE father and ESE mother, she told him she wanted kids.

He: "How many?"
She: "A lot... like 6 or so."
He: *Is she crazy? Well ...*
He: "Oh, sure..."

They've got 3 kids. I guess they've made a compromise, and/or he was not being entirely serious back then.
Haha.

[Satan]

Anything wrong with that?

Yeah, but it's unrelated to this topic

Hm, good thought. I could see that. Everyone has some kind of internal checklist in terms of what they desire. Well, just with Victim-Aggressor people in particular it becomes like a tournament of sorts. With Childlike-Caretaker, it is more like literally going through a checklist at the doctor's, haha: "Got this? Yes? Okay, let's move on. How about this? Okay. Yeah. What do you think about this issue? Okay, I can work with that."

I see it more like a game?

Haha, I know what you mean. I was trying to write down what an ESI in love with an LIE might think, haha!
It also sounded a bit weird to me, personally. I certainly would not think this way. xD

I think it's like they see such potential, but need to make this and that improvement.

Yeah, true. ESI are more selective with their help, in a way. LIE puts them in the position of wanting to try harder somehow.

Yeah it's from being wrong I think?

[Beautiful sky]

Yeah, but it's unrelated to this topic




I see it more like a game?



I think it's like they see such potential, but need to make this and that improvement.



Yeah it's from being wrong I think?

What game?

[ashlesha]

trying to fix somebody is a bad idea. it bugs me seeing romance styles associated with maladaptive behaviors.

[Beautiful sky]

The one LIE that I dated very briefly just wanted to hang around and be affectionate. He loved people and was observant and orderly but not aesthetic. I like that LSE are not that touch feely. Also the LIEs mind was always on far off ventures and tasks like traveling to Greece and taking a documentary of the country. I also like that LSE are homebodies. Makes me feel like I'm not going to be on the ship by myself. My dual will always have home and family at heart and under his direct control. Even if sent far away on a job will always want and miss home something that I see LIE less care for as they like ESI to man up and manage home life and all else.

Delta and Gamma Fi are a bit different with regards to how relationships are viewed and managed

[Satan]

What game?

tournament vs game. far sighted vs near sighted?

[Beautiful sky]

tournament vs game. far sighted vs near sighted?

I don't see how that has to do with the dichotomy

Ps your avatars is creepy to me

[Olimpia]

I also like that LSE are homebodies. Makes me feel like I'm not going to be on the ship by myself. My dual will always have home and family at heart and under his direct control. Even if sent far away on a job will always want and miss home something that I see LIE less care for as they like ESI to man up and manage home life and all else.

Delta and Gamma Fi are a bit different with regards to how relationships are viewed and managed

I totally see that!

My LSE-Si father is E3 (Sp instinct), hence some kind of work-a-holic, but he enjoys coming home after every work day. His motto: "Home, Sweet Home."
He also dislikes travelling, partly because he'll "just waste money", partly because he is a homebody.
In comparison, I could see LIE guys more likely to invest in expensive vacations and whatnot because of their Se HA. Their Si PoLR also makes them care less about a comfortable home.
An LIE will probably just expect the ESI to take care of those matters, being Si 4D and all.

I wonder how the roles are in a female SEE - male ILI relationship... Does the SEE take care of household duties and go out all the time when she doesn't? While the ILI is mostly staying home – and possibly being a "slack", like @hatesyardwork has said? I am still contemplating how an SEE (or SLE for that matter) could be attracted to people who seem like they never go out? Haha.

[Olimpia]

tournament vs game. far sighted vs near sighted?

It's more like Se valuing vs Ne valuing, IMO.

[hatesyardwork]

I wonder how the roles are in a female SEE - male ILI relationship... Does the SEE take care of household duties and go out all the time when she doesn't? While the ILI is mostly staying home – and possibly being a "slack", like @hatesyardwork has said? I am still contemplating how an SEE (or SLE for that matter) could be attracted to people who seem like they never go out? Haha.

It's a dual so my Se is activated, so I enjoy other company with them outside the home. I just don't like to entertain at my house, love to go out with SEE though, it's never dull. Inversely "home" to them is enriched by me, if that makes sense.

[Beautiful sky]

Yeah SEE and company outside the home seems to be a thing. I like company at home. Mess up the place then go home and relax and I'll do the clean up

[carrina]

trying to fix somebody is a bad idea. it bugs me seeing romance styles associated with maladaptive behaviors.

I totally agree. Ne mobilizing is the worst (to me)

[Adam Strange]

Originally Posted by Maritsa
I also like that LSE are homebodies. Makes me feel like I'm not going to be on the ship by myself. My dual will always have home and family at heart and under his direct control. Even if sent far away on a job will always want and miss home something that I see LIE less care for as they like ESI to man up and manage home life and all else.

Delta and Gamma Fi are a bit different with regards to how relationships are viewed and managed

I totally see that!

My LSE-Si father is E3 (Sp instinct), hence some kind of work-a-holic, but he enjoys coming home after every work day. His motto: "Home, Sweet Home."
He also dislikes travelling, partly because he'll "just waste money", partly because he is a homebody.

I travel a lot, both for business and pleasure. Business travel is not "just a waste of money", but rather brings in more money than it costs. I do like to be home on the weekends, though. Vacations are not an investment, but rather are ways to spend some time wandering around some places and cultures I've never been before, because I find that to be both fun and interesting.

In comparison, I could see LIE guys more likely to invest in expensive vacations and whatnot because of their Se HA. Their Si PoLR also makes them care less about a comfortable home.

Embarassingly true. I don't care that much about my comfort, and can live almost anywhere and not care about my surroundings. I've been to a lot of other countries, and slept in some nice places and in some sketchy ones. I do like to have a nice home, but only for abstract aesthetic purposes. Not for the comfort.

An LIE will probably just expect the ESI to take care of those matters, being Si 4D and all.

Exactly true. I'm presently tearing up the inside of my house to install radiant heat (a nice techy thing to have, also comfortable in the winter, and efficient) and to upgrade the electrical service and whatever else needs to be done, and I'm confident of my technical choices here, but I need someone with good taste to make the place look like something other than a factory. I have no confidence in my ability to make the place look like a home.
So, I've hired an ESI to do that for me. So far, she has suggested several "looks" for a room, I told her which of them I really like or don't like, she plans to modify whatever she thinks is necessary to fit into the space and, after the ceilings are back in and the walls painted (according to her color choices), she will go shopping to check out the stuff in the real world. That seems to matter to her, so it is OK with me.
It is a nearly perfect arrangement, and if I were married to my Dual, it probably would not proceed any differently.

So yes, an LIE would expect an ESI to take care of the aesthetic stuff.

[End]

How to attract women:

1) have a hot body
2) have a lot of money
3) let them know you have more women in your life
4) be famous
5) put some magnet in their clothes and switch on a magnetic device

Sounds about right but also sounds a bit sleazy and unobtainable for most ILI men out there, not to mention the blatantly immoral behavior required which would likely violate the mobilizing function of a "good" ILI. Hot bod is easy enough, hit the gym. Can't do that? Well, if you don't work out or research how to deal with that I got nothin' for ya. Work out, get buff, you can do it with just your own body weight and a steady source of protein which ain't hard to lock down if ya don't mind where it came from. You can eat Possums and Insects, just sayin', and they pack a ton of the stuff. Protein on the cheap, it's out there and if you're serious about this shit you ain't got a right to complain.

The rest is not as easy. Can we substitute time for money? If you're a minimalist you can have plenty of free time with next to no money. Thus you can "seem" rich on a bare bones budget. Time=Wealth, not cash. Saying that Cash=Wealth is a delusion. Yes, money can buy you time in many ways, but it is not the only path towards obtaining it. More women? Bitch please, we don't socialize enough to maintain a friggin' harem, let alone obtain one! Hell, why even bother? Harems are too much damn work and I ain't about to castrate some other dudes to make the eunuchs required to guard it while I'm away doing my own shit (while also being doubly damn sure I'm the only dick they're getting, which is why they made eunuchs in the first place). Fame? We're allergic to that! NO! No fame! Last thing we want is for some random douche to ask us for an autograph while we're out shopping for groceries. The magnets? Yeah, we have some, quite bewildered as to how they'd help us "detect" our ideal mate however. That's way out there and I thus would like an explanation.

[Olimpia]

There are plenty of men who are in happy relationships without fulfilling most (or even all) things on that list.

Really, ILI guys (or all guys for that matter), it is actually much more simple than you think.
To attract the one you really want and is right for you, you have to be yourself.

Wait, what? Yeah, I know.

But really. An SEE woman will find herself drawn to a healthy and well-rounded ILI, who shows his strengths (like Ni-Te ) clearly and effortlessly, without a strain.
Given ILI is not a type inclined to be buff anyways, you don't even have to focus on that. Just be the best version you can be, and you'll attract the women/men you truly desire. Trust me.

[Satan]

There are plenty of men who are in happy relationships without fulfilling most (or even all) things on that list.

Really, ILI guys (or all guys for that matter), it is actually much more simple than you think.
To attract the one you really want and is right for you, you have to be yourself.

Wait, what? Yeah, I know.

But really. An SEE woman will find herself drawn to a healthy and well-rounded ILI, who shows his strengths (like Ni-Te ) clearly and effortlessly, without a strain.
Given ILI is not a type inclined to be buff anyways, you don't even have to focus on that. Just be the best version you can be, and you'll attract the women/men you truly desire. Trust me.

come on are ili guys into simple

[Olimpia]

come on are ili guys into simple

Haha.
Yes and No.

They think abstractly and in a complex way (Ni lead), but actually crave things to be rather simple in the end (Se seeking).

[Satan]

Haha.
Yes and No.

They think abstractly and in a complex way (Ni lead), but actually crave things to be rather simple in the end (Se seeking).

not how i see it

[Olimpia]

not how i see it

Well, let's see how ILIs will respond to that. @hatesyardwork

[Satan]

Well, let's see how ILIs will respond to that. @hatesyardwork

They're being slow. Think need to tag some more. @End

[hatesyardwork]

Well, let's see how ILIs will respond to that. @hatesyardwork

Ni can be simple or complex, depends. I do overthink, but not in every situation.

[End]

Haha.
Yes and No.

They think abstractly and in a complex way (Ni lead), but actually crave things to be rather simple in the end (Se seeking).

I can agree with that. In the end, especially in romance, I want it simple, clean, and efficient. Why don't girls just kiss the dude they want to be with romantically? It's a very primal form of communication, it passes on a great deal of information without requiring words (and it feels oh so very nice ). Same goes for intimate moments characterized by the various non-verbal forms of communication involved on top of what words are said.

The problems come when we get into instinct stackings and the animal nature we all harbor. The damn monkey complicates matters, makes us think we've found "the one" when really we've just found someone we can procreate with. Everything is sunshine and roses until the honeymoon effect wears off in that event. Remember, the quasi-identical of the dual is the conflictor. So mistakes are bound to happen and boy will they hurt, a lot. Romance, the worlds most dangerous game...

[End]

They're being slow. Think need to tag some more. @End

Please identify the point of tagging. What's it supposed to do?

[hatesyardwork]

I can confirm I do the same as an IEI-Ni.
It must be an Ni lead thing.
Though I sometimes almost feel a bit guilty for doing so... I guess ILI does not really experience that?

Pushing buttons.........yes, I do this.. I know exactly what I am doing but I don't feel guilt. It's more like, "wow I said that shit perfect" Flirty and ambiguous banter........I'm interested in you.......maybe.