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    Let's say there is such a thing as an afterlife.

    What do you think the chances are that your personality type remains the same? Would i still be an enfp in heaven?

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    Metaphysical realms definitely exists, although it's very complicated, subtle and nuanced. There are a lot of different levels. Transferring realms and working up through higher dimensions revolves around a lot of pain. And risk-taking. Most people like the comfort of security, so they like stable vibrations.

    There is an infinite number of heavens, and an infinite number of hells. Things can always get better, and they can always get worse- reality is sharpely balanced in an attempt to make you feel stable as much as possible. (You could just go to heaven now in an instant, but it would also drive you insane- which sends you to hell) Though this veil doesn't work out too well, people are kinda extreme in their own interpersonal landscape view of things.

    I think you're kinda asking the wrong kind of questions. Your goal isn't to figure that out, but more how can you smoothly wide the waves and vibrations in life, instead of just feeling yanked around in a quadzillion different directions, by a quadzillion different realities and universes.

    In otherwords, instead of 'searching', find your center. At least, that's what I would do. The answer to every question, technically is, 'Yes.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Metaphysical realms definitely exists, although it's very complicated, subtle and nuanced.
    I'm sorry, but... definitely exists?


    Edit: At the risk of possibly derailing the thread with that question - After I die, my body will decompose and break down and get absorbed back into the earth which will combine with other chemicals and nutrients for billions upon billions of years until this planet is no more, at which time the parts that made up the contents of my body will disperse out all across the universe to be consumed and recycled by whatever process my parts happen to come across. Assuming that there is an afterlife to me is like saying "Suppose I live long enough to set foot on a planet outside of the solar system. What would life be like on that planet?" It's nice to think about as a dream, but it doesn't really mean anything, except that I have the capacity to think about grand dreams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    You could just go to heaven now in an instant
    yay tell us how

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    but it would also drive you insane
    insane as in not useful/profitable/effective in society as we know it,right? not insane as in showering with mustard.Like, you'd go live into the wild ,not work because there will be no need to consume and stuff like that.Or you'd just sit in your room staring at the void which is nice actually but yo 3d mama would go crazy =\
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Metaphysical realms definitely exists, although it's very complicated, subtle and nuanced. There are a lot of different levels. Transferring realms and working up through higher dimensions revolves around a lot of pain. And risk-taking. Most people like the comfort of security, so they like stable vibrations.

    There is an infinite number of heavens, and an infinite number of hells. Things can always get better, and they can always get worse- reality is sharpely balanced in an attempt to make you feel stable as much as possible. (You could just go to heaven now in an instant, but it would also drive you insane- which sends you to hell) Though this veil doesn't work out too well, people are kinda extreme in their own interpersonal landscape view of things.

    I think you're kinda asking the wrong kind of questions. Your goal isn't to figure that out, but more how can you smoothly wide the waves and vibrations in life, instead of just feeling yanked around in a quadzillion different directions, by a quadzillion different realities and universes.

    In otherwords, instead of 'searching', find your center. At least, that's what I would do. The answer to every question, technically is, 'Yes.'
    i have a theory that when you take magic mushrooms the swirly patterns you see is coming from way down in your subconscious when you remember the universe looking like this. as if your atoms had a shared consciousness. the nature of their reality would be cool swirley geometric shapes of the most vivid colours ever. they kind of remind me of DNA. is there a relationship between the shapes my subconscious generates and the shapes we have found DNA to be made up of. so i think it's possible that when you die you go back to the lovely colourful swirley place, no drama just being.

    i think whatever it is that is actually going on will be explained by logic as well as being mysterious and beautiful. otherwise why would logic exist at all only for the universe to turn out to be illogical.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tereg View Post
    I'm sorry, but... definitely exists?


    Edit: At the risk of possibly derailing the thread with that question - After I die, my body will decompose and break down and get absorbed back into the earth which will combine with other chemicals and nutrients for billions upon billions of years until this planet is no more, at which time the parts that made up the contents of my body will disperse out all across the universe to be consumed and recycled by whatever process my parts happen to come across. Assuming that there is an afterlife to me is like saying "Suppose I live long enough to set foot on a planet outside of the solar system. What would life be like on that planet?" It's nice to think about as a dream, but it doesn't really mean anything, except that I have the capacity to think about grand dreams.

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    I think basic personalityies will remain the same, but we won't have a PoLR anymore.

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I think basic personalityies will remain the same, but we won't have a PoLR anymore.
    can you explain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by humblepie View Post
    can you explain?
    I believe personality weaknesses are related to a sin nature. I believe that Jesus has an EII thinking style and usually uses , but doesn't need supplied with and isn't weak to .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I believe personality weaknesses are related to a sin nature. I believe that Jesus has an EII thinking style and usually uses , but doesn't need supplied with and isn't weak to .
    a sin nature? so you think it is sinful to have weaknesses? am i understanding you correctly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by humblepie View Post
    a sin nature? so you think it is sinful to have weaknesses? am i understanding you correctly?
    More like it's a weakness to be sinful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I believe personality weaknesses are related to a sin nature. I believe that Jesus has an EII thinking style and usually uses , but doesn't need supplied with and isn't weak to .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I'm sure you have outlandish opinions, too.
    No, actually, I make a point of believing only very sane things.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Quote Originally Posted by humblepie
    Would i still be an enfp in heaven?
    My opinion's not worth much, but I think you'd still be very much you (just minus your flaws, fears, and shortcomings).

    Or, in other words, what was better said below.
    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie
    I think our basic personalities will remain the same, but we won't have a PoLR anymore.
    On that note, it'll be kinda nice not to need Socionics or typing, or anything.

    Maybe it'll happen, maybe it won't, but here's to hoping God shows how he made us, wired us, etc.

    Maybe we'll be too happy to care, but for now, I'd really like to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CILi View Post
    My opinion's not worth much, but I think you'd still be very much you (just minus your flaws, fears, and shortcomings).

    Or, in other words, what was better said below.

    On that note, it'll be kinda nice not to need Socionics or typing, or anything.

    Maybe it'll happen, maybe it won't, but here's to hoping God shows how he made us, wired us, etc.

    Maybe we'll be too happy to care, but for now, I'd really like to know.
    No one wired us. The material was already there and chemical reactions organized it into us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I think basic personalityies will remain the same, but we won't have a PoLR anymore.
    Our personalities are defined by our strengths and weaknesses. Since heaven is supposedly perfection and eternal bliss, shouldn't it stand to reason that our weaknesses are obliterated? But then who are we without that?

    And I suppose, you'd have to eliminate conflict relations in heaven and any other bad type of relation. This kind of suggests to me that there is no personality type so to speak of when you get to heaven (unless some types don't get admitted at all).
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    Quote Originally Posted by warrior-librarian
    This kind of suggests to me that there is no personality type so to speak of when you get to heaven (unless some types don't get admitted at all).
    So who gets the axe?

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    i think stereotypically an SLE would, but then if it were to purposefully leave some poor SLE out because they were 1 of the 16 types even though they had been a good person, then it would not be a perfect place. IMO we wouldn't have personality types, just for the sake of living in a conflict-free world

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    Quote Originally Posted by warrior-librarian View Post
    Our personalities are defined by our strengths and weaknesses. Since heaven is supposedly perfection and eternal bliss, shouldn't it stand to reason that our weaknesses are obliterated? But then who are we without that?

    And I suppose, you'd have to eliminate conflict relations in heaven and any other bad type of relation. This kind of suggests to me that there is no personality type so to speak of when you get to heaven (unless some types don't get admitted at all).
    exactly! who are we without our strengths and weaknesses?

    it kind of suggests to me that there is no such thing as heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    i think stereotypically an SLE would, but then if it were to purposefully leave some poor SLE out because they were 1 of the 16 types even though they had been a good person, then it would not be a perfect place. IMO we wouldn't have personality types, just for the sake of living in a conflict-free world
    who's to say SLE's wouldn't get in? God would have a bit of a cheek wouldn't he? since he created them. it would be like saying a lion couldn't get into heaven for being an antellope murderer. but if they didn't fullfill their purpose and decided to go all gay and vegan there'd be no one to control the grass eaters which would lead to the disappearence of all the grass and in turn all the grass eaters and then in turn their own families. maybe SLE's have a higher purpose than we give them credit for. who are we to say what is good or bad? if we didn't have SLE's in our population to exploit the stupid we would have too many stupid people walking around. now that would be a greater evil in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    No one wired us. The material was already there and chemical reactions organized it into us.
    i agree with this.

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    hmm or maybe we do have our strengths and weaknesses but it has no effect on our relations? maybe it's a place where you choose who you want to be around *shrug* come to think of it there really isn't much said about what heaven is like..

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    lets say reincarnation were true.

    would you be reincarnated to be a different personality type every time? after making your way through all the types would you rise up to be a god? or buddha or whatever? that would be cool. i'd love to be an SLI for a lifetime. it'd be fun to be able to jump out of an airoplane without being scared out of my wits or to be an SLE and play the field and not give a f*ck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    hmm or maybe we do have our strengths and weaknesses but it has no effect on our relations? maybe it's a place where you choose who you want to be around *shrug* come to think of it there really isn't much said about what heaven is like..
    maybe it's a place where you choose who you want to be around? isn't that missing the whole point of spirituality altogether? maybe that place would be purgatory. a place for the spiritually immature.

    i'm just talking shit, it's not to be taken seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    hmm or maybe we do have our strengths and weaknesses but it has no effect on our relations? maybe it's a place where you choose who you want to be around *shrug* come to think of it there really isn't much said about what heaven is like..
    there's loads said about what heaven is like. god sits on a cloud throne and we all sit around feeling smug playing harps and keeping tabs on teenage boys and their masterbating rituals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by humblepie View Post
    Would i still be an enfp in heaven?
    Yes, you would. You would even meet a fantastic SLI called Joseph the Carpenter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Yes, you would. You would even meet a fantastic SLI called Joseph the Carpenter.
    ha ha. wouldn't it be kind of slutty of me to steal the blessed virgin Mary's man though? i know he's not getting any at home but really i wouldn't like to get on the wrong side of jesus's mam. something tells me it wouldn't be good for my eternal soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by humblepie View Post
    ha ha. wouldn't it be kind of slutty of me to steal the blessed virgin Mary's man though? i know he's not getting any at home but really i wouldn't like to get on the wrong side of jesus's mam. something tells me it wouldn't be good for my eternal soul.
    Not at all. No such commandment forbids that. Don't worry about your soul, I'm a doctor, would patch it up fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warrior-librarian View Post
    Our personalities are defined by our strengths and weaknesses. Since heaven is supposedly perfection and eternal bliss, shouldn't it stand to reason that our weaknesses are obliterated? But then who are we without that?

    And I suppose, you'd have to eliminate conflict relations in heaven and any other bad type of relation. This kind of suggests to me that there is no personality type so to speak of when you get to heaven (unless some types don't get admitted at all).
    Have you ever met a dual couple that's passed their 50th anniversary? Those two have dualized so much that it's hard to tell who's the extrovert and who's the introvert, though if you consider thinking styles and activity preferences and such, you can still type them correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Not at all. No such commandment forbids that. Don't worry about your soul, I'm a doctor, would patch it up fast.

    are you trying to get me kicked out of heaven or something? what kind of priest tells his parishioners it's ok to shag the blessed virgin mary's husband? you want everyone out of heaven so you can have all the alter boys to yourself? is it? sicko!

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    those types are already in hell aren't they? it sounds like my twenties. fucking hell.

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    Essentially, we = we.
    Non-essentially..., that's what you were asking, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by humblepie View Post
    are you trying to get me kicked out of heaven or something? what kind of priest tells his parishioners it's ok to shag the blessed virgin mary's husband? you want everyone out of heaven so you can have all the alter boys to yourself? is it? sicko!
    That's right. You've seen right through me. God forgive me for I am about to sin.

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    Basically spending the eternity like Absurd locked in an room without beer.
    I'm trained in the art of not-beer-drinking-for-seven-months, Piper. I'm sure I would think of something during my stay there.

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    I wonder why people still call Jesus's mom a virgin. Jesus had younger siblings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I wonder why people still call Jesus's mom a virgin. Jesus had younger siblings.
    It's a dogma.

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    I don't know if we would still have a personality in Heaven. We wouldn't be focused on ourselves and our desires as we are on Earth.
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    This no POLR business just wouldn't fly; socionics does not work at that level.

    While using Fe you are seeking Ti and are being poor at Te. This is because you're making decisions based on the emotional atmosphere; something we all know cannot coexist with business like oriented decisions most associated with Te and at the same time you are looking for clarity and logical stability in others. You cannot simply focus on all functions at once, and no matter what function you choose to focus on you always be bad at something and seeking another. They are 'focus opposites' so to speak, the same going for all other functions and their counterparts.

    Also, OP said 'afterlife', 'heaven' is a different story entirely. There is so much that has been said about the christian afterlife that it is unclear how exactly it would play out and how the human brain would function in those circumstances, so it is impossible to make socionics predictions. Now if we were to discuss 'afterlife' as an independent idea, then yes, socionics would still apply to your 'afterlife' so long as your brain's structure is the same (assuming socionics is based on the brain, which I'm sure we can all agree on). If your brain functions differently, a different personality typology would have to be developed. If there is something that destroys our concept of 'brain' and inserts something else in its place, we may not have any personality.

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    I agree with abbie. I also think that the science behind potential energy gives us clues as to how the world was created contractively.

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