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    Alpha NT: What could work?
    Beta ST: Making it work
    Gamma NT: Seeing how things that do work, could be used most effectively.
    Delta ST: Making best use of what has been shown to work effectively.

    Apologies if this is either nonsensical, or so obvious that it's been raised a million times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd View Post
    It makes sense to me.
    Ah good, I'm trying to be more analytical in my thinking about socionics.
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    Makes sense to me as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somavision View Post
    Alpha NT: What could work?
    Beta ST: Making it work
    Gamma NT: Seeing how things that do work, could be used most effectively.
    Delta ST: Making best use of what has been shown to work effectively.

    Apologies if this is either nonsensical, or so obvious that it's been raised a million times.
    If you wanted it to be more parallel in structure:

    Alpha NT: What could work?
    Beta ST: What does work?
    Gamma NT: What works best?
    Delta ST: What has worked?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    If you wanted it to be more parallel in structure:

    Alpha NT: Would could work?
    Beta ST: What does work?
    Gamma NT: What works best?
    Delta ST: What has worked?
    I like this, but I'd change gamma and delta to "What would work best?" and "What has worked best?" respectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    I like this, but I'd change gamma and delta to "What would work best?" and "What has worked best?" respectively.
    I prefer "What works best?" for Gamma as it conveys a more dynamic sense of work. Gamma opts for dimension of work that is less speculative (i.e., would) for a method that simply "works best." While for Delta "What has worked?" conveys the conservative sense of preservation through the past tense. Deltas are usually less concerned about what has worked best, but what has worked at all, attaining a sufficient level of work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    If you wanted it to be more parallel in structure:

    Alpha NT: Would could work?
    Beta ST: What does work?
    Gamma NT: What works best?
    Delta ST: What has worked?
    You alpha, you make it seem like all the quadras are asking questions. The original formulation was better for the last three quadras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    You alpha, you make it seem like all the quadras are asking questions. The original formulation was better for the last three quadras.
    Who doesn't ask questions? As I said, I adjusted it to create a more parallel structure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    Who doesn't ask questions? As I said, I adjusted it to create a more parallel structure.
    Everyone asks questions but in this conext it seems like beta sts woeld just do what works rather than ask what does, mainly because they already know what works.

    And what do you mean by "a more parrallel structure"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    You alpha, you make it seem like all the quadras are asking questions. The original formulation was better for the last three quadras.
    So perhaps:

    Alpha: What could work?
    Beta: (I'll) make it work (designers ~Tim Gunn)
    Gamma: (I'll) make it work better
    Delta: "If it ain't broke..."

    OR "Well, since that works already" OR "Whatever works." OR "Since we know this works..." OR "What worked before?"

    I'm sorry, I don't have a good one for delta that's nice a parallel.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    Everyone asks questions but in this conext it seems like beta sts woeld just do what works rather than ask what does, mainly because they already know what works.
    I am not implying that they all spend time asking questions. An SLE, for example, would not be spending too much time pondering "what does work?" but it will be the question they will try to address through what they do.

    And what do you mean by "a more parrallel structure"?
    How it is formatted. Each one was constructed using the interrogative, three words, and a conjugation of "work." And each conveys in their simplicity three different approaches to the matter of work.
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    The original list has an advantage in pointing out a significant difference between democratic and aristocratic thinkers - ST and NT - that is, NTs asking or searching for solution, STs jumping to its application. (Stereotypically, as all talk of quadra progression comes down to that.) So, to make it more symmetrical for orderly folks who complain:

    Alpha NT: What could work?
    Beta ST: Making it work.
    Gamma NT: What would work best?
    Delta ST: Making best use of what has been shown to work effectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pied Piper View Post
    My try:

    Alpha NT: I need to determine something that will work.
    Beta ST: I need to determine the thing that will work.
    Gamma NT: I need to find the thing that will work.
    Delta ST: I need to find something that will work.

    (more correct was to say "determine ... would" instead of "will" and "what" instead of "the thing", but like I put it is satisfactory I think and it lets the reader focus on determine vs find and something vs the thing)
    That's actually not bad, imo.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    Alpha NT: What could work?
    Beta ST: Making it work.
    Gamma NT: What would work best?
    Delta ST: Making best use of what has been shown to work effectively.
    these are my favorite because I like how the NTs are questions and the STs aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pied Piper View Post
    My try:

    Alpha NT: I need to determine something that will work.
    Beta ST: I need to determine the thing that will work.
    Gamma NT: I need to find the thing that will work.
    Delta ST: I need to find something that will work.

    (more correct was to say "determine ... would" instead of "will" and "what" instead of "the thing", but like I put it is satisfactory I think and it lets the reader focus on determine vs find and something vs the thing)
    Hey I don't really follow your Socionics, but wouldn't the decisive quadras be "something" and judicious be "the thing." Usually decisives will settle on just anything faster so long as it works, so they can move on, where as judicious will spend more time to get it right, and maybe never find the truly right thing. Just my impression of these terms.

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    No I can't acknowledge something that doesn't make sense. It's a little hard for me, some people are better at it.

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