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    What do you guys think was the greatest American victory in history?
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    The Revolution. It was the only just war America ever fought.

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    The Battle of Midway perhaps?

    As for most critical, I don't really know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
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    You forgot the War of 1812

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    That wasn't a victory because we (as in the British Empire) kicked your arse. (That's "ass" for all you uneducated Americans) .
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    Was that really a war though? And was it really an American victory? The scuffle shouldn't have started in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    That wasn't a victory because we (as in the British Empire) kicked your arse. (That's "ass" for all you uneducated Americans) .
    ...but not in the battle of New Orleans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    Was that really a war though? And was it really an American victory? The scuffle shouldn't have started in the first place.
    It was a victory in New Orleans and Baltimore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post

    congrats US on that one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbean View Post
    It was a victory in New Orleans and Baltimore.
    and how were they significant?

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    The White House was burned down, that qualifies as a victory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    The White House was burned down, that qualifies as a victory.
    That was a result of the Bladensburg Races. By mainstream history it was the most embarrassing defeat in American History. Lucky for us, there was an unusual storm that kicked the British out before they finished the complete destruction of Washington DC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    and how were they significant?
    New Orleans was not significant to the war itself, (the war had technically ended before the battle) but it was a psychological victory for the Americans after the war; it was also the event that made Andrew Jackson famous.

    Baltimore was significant for the US. You see, we were losing practically every battle up until then, and in hindsight, the US could have went back to the British had it not been for the people of Baltimore stopping the British there. The northern states were reluctant to get involved with a war against Great Britain, because their trade was almost dependent on them, there was even talk of some of the states leaving the union because of it. The British were on their way northward, and Baltimore could have been the last point of resistance before the British would encounter none possibly as far south as Philadelphia.
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    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbean View Post
    New Orleans was not significant to the war itself, (the war had technically ended before the battle) but it was a psychological victory for the Americans after the war; it was also the event that made Andrew Jackson famous.

    Baltimore was significant for the US. You see, we were losing practically every battle up until then, and in hindsight, the US could have went back to the British had it not been for the people of Baltimore stopping the British there. The northern states were reluctant to get involved with a war against Great Britain, because their trade was almost dependent on them, there was even talk of some of the states leaving the union because of it. The British were on their way northward, and Baltimore could have been the last point of resistance before the British would encounter none possibly as far south as Philadelphia.
    The city may have been significant to the US, but I wouldn't consider something that might be considered a draw as an American victory. Britain was able to keep its Canadian territories while maintaining a war against France.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    The city may have been significant to the US, but I wouldn't consider something that might be considered a draw as an American victory. Britain was able to keep its Canadian territories while maintaining a war against France.
    The people of Baltimore achieved their objective by defending the city and preventing onward movement of the British. Whereas the British did not achieve their objective in capturing the city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbean View Post
    The people of Baltimore achieved their objective by defending the city and preventing onward movement of the British. Whereas the British did not achieve their objective in capturing the city.
    jxrtes provided a list of wars (for the most part), and you said he'd forgotten the 'war' of 1812. I don't dispute that Britain did not achieve that minor objective, but I don't see how it's significant in the wider scheme of things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    congrats US on that one!
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    The Civil War was an African victory, if anything.
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    1940, Ryan, Oklahoma --- occurance of the greatest american victory


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispy View Post
    The Civil War was an African victory, if anything.
    The American Civil War was a victory for protectionism and big government. Slavery -- contrary to the popular historical perception -- was not even a corollary to the conflict, and hardly the central tenet of the Confederacy's attempt to secede from the Union, nor was it the North's main battle cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capitalist Pig View Post
    The American Civil War was a victory for protectionism and big government. Slavery -- contrary to the popular historical perception -- was not even a corollary to the conflict, and hardly the central tenet of the Confederacy's attempt to secede from the Union, nor was it the North's main battle cry.

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    They teach that in junior year of high school I remember, and I remember my teacher told us to forget all the bullshit you have heard about the civil war by the past history teachers you had, because that was what they preach in elementary level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    What are you rolling your eyes for? Your country managed to abolish slavery peacefully. This would have been the natural course for America, as well, had Lincoln not been the warmongering, extortionist fuck that he was. That son of a bitch was a big link in a long chain of reasons why the American Federal government is as overblown, centralized, and inefficient as it is today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capitalist Pig View Post
    The American Civil War was a victory for protectionism and big government. Slavery -- contrary to the popular historical perception -- was not even a corollary to the conflict, and hardly the central tenet of the Confederacy's attempt to secede from the Union, nor was it the North's main battle cry.

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    Even if it wasn't the main point of the war, it was a victorious side effect for colored folk. I did not mean to imply that it had anything to do with why they were fighting. Actually, I guess I can't even call it a side effect if it's not related. Meh.
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    Everyone knows that the only just war is the Rebellion vs. the Galactic Empire. Everything else just doesn't measure up to its epicness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capitalist Pig View Post
    What are you rolling your eyes for? Your country managed to abolish slavery peacefully. This would have been the natural course for America, as well, had Lincoln not been the warmongering, extortionist fuck that he was. That son of a bitch was a big link in a long chain of reasons why the American Federal government is as overblown, centralized, and inefficient as it is today.
    Why did it take the US so long to abolish slavery considering that its Constitution talks about all men being born free and equal, etc. etc.? These rights were clearly not being upheld at the time of the Civil War.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    Why did it take the US so long to abolish slavery considering that its Constitution talks about all men being born free and equal, etc. etc.? These rights were clearly not being upheld at the time of the Civil War.
    because it's all about politics, just because one things says "all men born free" doesn't mean millions of people would give up slavery (their asset). happens all the time throughout history and everywhere.
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    only America can take down America! AM I RIGHT?!
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    The way I heard it, there was a split on how to interpret the constitution as well. Many in the south argued that the right to own property was an unalienable right. Whereas there was an ideological split as far back as the founding fathers over whether to grant as much protection to property rights.

    The original phrasing of the Virgina Declaration of Rights even included the pursuit of property, but Jefferson and Franklin were both in agreement to replace it with "the pursuit of Happiness," instead. Franklin himself was strong proponent of taxation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capitalist Pig View Post
    The Revolution. It was the only just war America ever fought.
    I just have to comment on this. I personally think the American Revolution was a ridiculously self-centered move on the part of Americans. HOLY SHIT, A TINY TAX ON TEA AND PAPER!!! THOSE DIRTY LIMEYS ARE PREVENTING US FROM STEALING INDIAN LAND!!! The Boston Massacre was an act of defense by the British against bunch of homicidal yokels. The Thirteen Colonies had no right to want independence. The British Empire was/is very benevolent and Americans starting a major war that resulted in thousands of dead, maimed, widows, and orphans over a tiny tax was bullshit. VIVA LA BRITISH EMPIRE!!!

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    Edit: on the issue of the Civil War, I do believe slavery was the main issue. Sure, the rednecks down South said it's about states' right, but what state right are they bitchin' about? Slavery, of course. I have no sympathy for them in regards to Sherman's total war and such.
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    The US south was missing the boat on the industrial revolution. it is not surprising that they lost.
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