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    Default What makes Askers? What makes Declarers?

    I am working through Reinin's Dichotomies to see how much I can come to understand of it. My goal is one thread per Dichotomy.

    Ok, this is information taken from the following two sites:
    http://the16types.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3398
    http://www.socioniko.net/en/articles/gulenko-mbti.html
    Also, Dmitri has kindly informed us that Taciturn and Narrators were not translated well....that Askers and Declarers is a closer interpretation.


    Askers
    -i, +e
    long range introverted functions
    short range extraverted functions
    ENTp, INTj, ENFj, INFp, ESFp, ISFj, ESTj, ISTp

    Interrogative Intonation (Statements sound like questions.)
    Questions used as a means of keeping up the conversation.
    Conversations:
    * dialogue of questions and answers
    * tolerates questioning interruptions
    * seeks and utilizes nonverbal expressions (eye contact, gestures, etc.) as a means of gaging the conversation’s flow of direction
    Strengthened by Introversion


    Declarers
    +i, -e
    short range introverted functions
    long range extraverted functions
    ISFp, ESFj, ISTj, ESTp, INTp, ENTj, INFj, ENFp

    Affirmative Intonation (Questions sound like statements.)
    Questions used as a means of getting answers.
    Conversations:
    * alternating monologues
    * loses train of thought if interrupted
    * builds answers into the monologue
    Strengthened by Extroversion


    Questions:
    * What is it about -i and +e that make Askers?
    * What is it about +i and -e that make Declarers?
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    quote:
    Questions:
    * What is it about -i and +e that make Askers?
    * What is it about +i and -e that make Declarers?[/quote]

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    If you think external facts are concrete and your own understanding merely abstract, that means you need to follow the outside facts. You must gain knowledge of them through questioning.

    If you think your internal knowledge is concrete and external situation is abstract, you are free to act by your own accord and dictate the external situation.

    Generally, +functions are more decisive than -functions.
    First eliminate every possible source of error. Thence success is inevitable.

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    Default Re: What makes Askers? What makes Declarers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smilingeyes
    quote:
    Questions:
    * What is it about -i and +e that make Askers?
    * What is it about +i and -e that make Declarers?
    Answers:
    If you think external facts are concrete and your own understanding merely abstract, that means you need to follow the outside facts. You must gain knowledge of them through questioning.

    If you think your internal knowledge is concrete and external situation is abstract, you are free to act by your own accord and dictate the external situation.

    Generally, +functions are more decisive than -functions.[/quote]

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    Default Re: What makes Askers? What makes Declarers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smilingeyes
    quote:
    Questions:
    * What is it about -i and +e that make Askers?
    * What is it about +i and -e that make Declarers?

    Answers:
    If you think external facts are concrete and your own understanding merely abstract, that means you need to follow the outside facts. You must gain knowledge of them through questioning.

    If you think your internal knowledge is concrete and external situation is abstract, you are free to act by your own accord and dictate the external situation.

    Generally, +functions are more decisive than -functions


    Welcome back Sir :wink:

    PS: Love is over in here, I was wrong it seems, a lot of time spent on nothing
    Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.

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    Default Re: What makes Askers? What makes Declarers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smilingeyes
    If you think external facts are concrete and your own understanding merely abstract, that means you need to follow the outside facts. You must gain knowledge of them through questioning.

    If you think your internal knowledge is concrete and external situation is abstract, you are free to act by your own accord and dictate the external situation.

    Generally, +functions are more decisive than -functions.
    Wow!

    That last statement of yours really cleared up a number of things I was trying to figure out...especially regarding my relationship with my daughter.

    I am ENFp, she is ESFp, and the differences between us are pretty huge considering there is "only the N/S difference". I have always felt that she places too much importance on outside facts which I consider...um...almost worthless...hehe. But now, knowing that her evaluations are less decisive than her view of outside facts, and that her evaluations are less decisive for her than my evaluations are for me, many of her behaviors are finally making sense to me.

    Do you have an idea of how the "strengthened by introversion/extroversion" fits in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    Do you have an idea of how the "strengthened by introversion/extroversion" fits in?
    It fits in the cathegory of BS.
    There's no way to prove it and it goes against theory.
    Therefore no reason to expect it.
    The narrative and taciturn cathegories are extreme when the ego functions are in good balance and cooperate well. That's what theory says.

    Good work with the threads, Anndelise

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    Default Re: What makes Askers? What makes Declarers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smilingeyes
    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    Do you have an idea of how the "strengthened by introversion/extroversion" fits in?
    It fits in the cathegory of BS.
    There's no way to prove it and it goes against theory.
    Therefore no reason to expect it.
    The narrative and taciturn cathegories are extreme when the ego functions are in good balance and cooperate well. That's what theory says.

    Good work with the threads, Anndelise
    Argh, I hate when not so great stuff (BS) gets included with great stuff. As if I'm supposed to somehow know what to sift out. *pouts* Thanks.

    As for the threads, I can't take credit for the reinin threads cuz..well..i'm just working with the info from those two links, so other than trying to apply the info to my own understanding, the rest of it is from the links.
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