Why SLE for Misato? I think she's Ne-Si valuing, at least.
I think Ritsuko is a stereotypical LII.
I agree with IEI for Shinji and ILE for Kensuke.
Why SLE for Misato? I think she's Ne-Si valuing, at least.
I think Ritsuko is a stereotypical LII.
I agree with IEI for Shinji and ILE for Kensuke.
What makes you think Ne-Si valuing? First I think Fi polr due to her difficulties in getting close to others. Next when she does attempt to get close to males she tries to have sex with them and is very sexually oriented and sexualized overall in a way that seems natural for her. Additionally she's very realistic/pragmatic and grounded and is literally sort of a militaristic commander which fits the SLE stereotype very well, more than an alpha NT one. With Ritsuko and her as semi-duals with Ritsuko being ILI this would further make sense given their relationship dynamic. You're going to need to explain why she's a stereotypical LII over ILI because the stereotypes for them can be similar. I can say one clear thing about Ritsuko is that she has an edgy tough side kind of like an Ayn Rand, it's not light and fluffy like alpha NTs stereotypically are.Originally Posted by BFGDoomer
Oh and Misato's character was highly relatable for me.
Misato seems ambivalent if not distanced towards the Fe of Kaji. I disagree that she has difficulties due to type, i think she is disposed towards this fact by the world itself, not the character. Seems to connect with Shinji through creative Fi. She indulges in physical pleasures when presented with it, and needs to be 'grounded' in this sense. I think her prevalence as a commander shows more Ne than Se, though both seem to shine through. Role, perhaps? i think IEE is realistic for her, though i'm not going to rule out SLE, as your points could be very well argued for. I always had the feeling that Misato and Ritsuko had a supervision thing going on, actually, but i might be wrong. She could be ILI, sure, but she seems to be more 'light' and inventive in a more alpha NT fashion than the dry, serious ILI stereotype. I'm still supporter of Rei as ILI, though. Her connection with the MAGA system and her general reasoning screams Ti to me. You could be right about her, though.
@BFGDoomer I would suggest you read the Eva Wiki pages for each of the characters to inform your typings if you haven't already done so. PS, ILIs have very strong demonstrative Ti, 4D like LII. And she actually does stuff and works with Magi in a very Te way.
@niffer
Were my descriptions of the characters not accurate? What did you object to?
@BFGDoomer I was just giving advice since you're actually seemingly curious and semi-seriously interested in trying to type them accurately. This is what I've done. The Wiki pages offer a more "official" and in depth interpretation of the characters along with a lot of quotes and trivia for them. Your interpretation is your own so I'm not going to bother arguing with that, I've already given you my own.
I guess I could add:
- Everybody connects with others through Fi, as everybody has Fi. For SLEs, Fi is a conscious, albeit weak function.
- Not sure what you mean when you say her behaviour is due to her world rather than her as a character. I don't see how you can realistically separate those. You can't do that very well when typing real people either. The Wiki page on Misato explicitly says that she maintains distance from others without every obtaining true closeness.
I'm having trouble seeing how she works in a Te way? What would seperate her working with Magi in a Te way from a Ti way? In relation to the ILi typing, is there any specific qualities in her that clearly signal her valuing Ni-Se? I'm not necessarily against the ILI typing, but my initial impressions we're of a definite LII character.
@niffer
Sorry if i was unclear, what i meant was that, her character seems to serve the world in a manner that forces certain, not necessarily valued, traits into focus. I think the strain on her as a character comes from a place of misplacement (Shinji seems to feel the same way) and i think we see some of that 'hidden' character when she is at home, not in the field. (This applies to typings in the real world as well, i would assume).
Regarding the background knowledge, i will read on the characters further, as i may have missed some key details.
@BFGDoomer Ritsuko is a technician as well as a scientist. She works with the Magi in a way that produces a lot of tangible results, this is way more Te and Se oriented than Ne and Ti. I mentioned her dark edginess as a testiment to her Ni/Se valuing already. Additionally she is highly flexible and able to respond and produce a lot of work at a moments notice e.g. in the episode where she was working along with Maya on the Magi, pointing to irrational>rational. She works in a high speed environment full of gore and violence, and is not perturbed by flirting from Kaji, pointing away from vulnerable Se.
To expand on that, the 'field' is a central part of all humans, and i has the ability to more or less manipulate and mould the person. My impressions of the characters were purely based on interpretation of the tv show, not 'official' knowledge of the characters. i will read on them and report back if my typings change based on that.
@niffer
Alright, good points for her being ILI, that i hadn't noticed myself. I'll probably watch the show again and observe that particular character more.
yes...but umm isn't Rei is a heavy introvert?
She wouldn't exactly have a clear extroverted side. Imo, her heavy introversion fits more into the original Jungian pathology of Ni over Fi (and Ti and Si).
I kind of think that fits her dissociation of feeling and her compulsions very well, especially the initial idealization of Gendo that changes as her perceptions of Gendo changed. She changes with Shinji too. I just think she's Ni I guess.The extreme introverted intuitive represses both functions
of judgment—thinking and feeling—but most of all the sensation
of the object. This naturally gives rise to compensatory
extraverted sensation of an archaic nature. The unconscious
personality, writes Jung, "can best be described as an extraverted
sensation type of a rather low and primitive order":
Yeah, especially that smile at the end.I like it.
good bye
Gendo is LSI, and Misato is IEE IMO.
We haven't touched on Kaworu yet. Any ideas?
My memory of the character is a bit rusty but why not LIE (or even LSE) for Misato? It's safe to say she neglects her relationships in favor of work/task-oriented stuff, and takes plenty of initiative, but she doesn't seem particularly impulsive or aggressive.
You just have bias against SLE lol and imagine us all to be Marvel comic book characters on steroids or highschool bullies. What happens to female SLEs who become regular members of Japanese society? Take reality into account for once please.
She IS impulsive and unconventional for a female which attests to basically everybody typing her EP (just look at her house). While taking work seriously and taking initiative. This is even more evidence for a P version of 4D Se and 4D Te.
@lavos EIE for Kaworu. Homo af.
And btw you typing Misato IEE probably uses the same logic as K4M or n0ki typing me IEE.
LSI Gendou is not a terrible thought.
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Surely not the same type as Kaji
@lavos What typing do you have for Kaji if any? Kaji is similarly faggy so I don't see any issues with this. I'm not totally set on EIE for Kaji either though.
I've never seen Neon Evangelion, so out of curiosity, I looked up the intro and wth, is this about Jewish mysticism??! I'm so confused, I thought it was about robots.
the beauty of anime is it can be both
@Bertrand this forum has typed you and I as identicals at IEE. How do you feel about this if anything?
I feel good
I thought Kaji was ILE-Ti, but EIE-Ni could work. But if he's EIE-Ni, my common sense tells me that he's not the same type as Kaworu. Not seeing the faggyness in Kaji tbh. Kaworu, sure. But I guess for a big bad SLE like you, everyone is a fag.
Very astute lol.
"But if he's EIE-Ni, my common sense tells me that he's not the same type as Kaworu."
If you have so-called "common sense" you should be able to quickly summarize with little effort in a few points why you think that is or why one of them is not EIE. Kaworu fits the EIE "princely girly Jesus" archetype rather well atm.
Btw seeing as I am a (half) asian woman in irl you guys should have little reason to feel (too) intimidated during online text discussion unless *in K4M voice* you have a weak mind.
for total badasses our LIEs come across as hella insecure
homo AFfor total badasses our LIEs come across as hella insecure
Sorry, that requires too much Ti out of my "weak mind". Or maybe it is interacting with you (a fruitless exercise) what would require too much patience, which I don't currently have. So fuck off.
homo AF
Anyone got any ideas on Fuyutsuki?
SLI? ILI? Not sure really.
Fuyutsuki seems LSI. Hideki Tama in the last series is more likely IxTp.
Misato ESE
Shinji INFx
Rei Gamma Introvert (ESI)
Asuka Beta Extrovert
Gendou LIE
It makes sense that Gendou is LIE and Shinji IEI so they can have a stinky supervision relation. If Rei is ESI-Fi then it works Gendou being obsessed about her (and Rei was like a weird clone of his wife). All seems to point at very LIE behavior. lol
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@Crystal
I think Gendos obsession with Rei is more about her being instrumental for his plans (and reminding him of Yui) than him actually liking her.
The whole development of Rei as a character seems to rest on the fact that Shinji actually showed her genuine care, instead of care for her function. (Rei crushes Gendos glasses in one episode, i think?)
Gendo could definitely be LIE, but the way he speaks points to a valuing of both Ni+Ti, the absolute statements when he speaks with Fuyutsuki. I think LSI fits him well.
As for Fuyutsuki, i took note of his assessment of Gendo as a character in the flashback episode. He has disdain for Gendo because of his harsh, direct nature, and general rowdyness. (Se devaluing?) Of course it is heavily implied that he was in love with Yui.
What about Yui? Is she a stereotypical IEI-Ni?
Also i'm still doubtful of Rei as Se creative. She seems to respond more to it indirectly than to possess it herself. Of course Rei is hard to type, but ILI is closest i think. Misato as ESE works pretty well i think
I dont see IEI for Yui at all. Her work and study path seems j and she was in the role of stereotypical mother/housewife at home. EII fits better imo.
About Fuyutsuki, I think that you are right about his crush and probably his problem with Gendo pointed more to Fe seeking. However could be LII too. I think more of the characters who are working at nerve etc, are J types, (except Kaji, who looks p).
Gendo could be Ti, but I think he values Fi>Fe considering her trauma over the death of his wife and how it impacted him. Plus he doesnt seem to value Fe, so LSIs join and seek for Fe which is group emotional atmosphere. Gendo seem completely alienated emotionally from others something that I've seen more in LIEs. His experiments cloning her wife could point to Si PoLR and Fi seeking too.
If you watched the end of evangelion, ESI-Fi fits well for Rei imo. I know that ppl thinks in ILI because she looks unemotiinal therefore Fe PoLR, but Fi and especially sensors looks unemotional too since they are introverted ethical, not extroverted and likes to not show much (thats what theory says at least). I just think ESI-Fi could fit considering her crucial role in the destruction of the world and that she fights with a giant robot against weird creatures (and how at the end she decides to fusion with one), and how she betrays humanity (and Gendo) for becoming part with an angel who was going to destroy humanity. She was kinda self righteous then and she decided over the destiny of whole world. Finally she seems not Thinker. We see her living and doing what is told without too much concerns or questioning too much. There is even one chapter when she decides to organize a dinner cause she wanted to get Gendo and Shinji having a better relation of father and son. And at the end of evangelion when she appears to everybody she looks certainly Fi (kinda intimate). I think it works better she not being an intuitive at all, with Ne PoLR but Ni HA, than she being T type with Fe PoLR, weak Se and Fi HA. Thats my analysis.
Could be whatever though, they are fictional. They can or cannot fit in any type or in several. And they are all psychologically damaged characters, lol.
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More evidence that people can't differentiate an LSI from a LIE. Btw, Yui is probably LIE (either that or SEE-Fi).
Rei: ILI (Fe porl's emotional apathy)
Asuka: SLE (Fi porl insensivity)
Shinli: SLI
Gendo: LSI (too authoritarian and rigid for a LIE)
Misato:SEE
Kaiji: Ni ego
I think Evangelion is the perfect product for the disturbed illuminati heralds to send unto the masses of otaku consumers.
(I am not even crazy, anyone can access these strands of information.) I might even be killed for continuing to perpetuating these sources.
Hmm... Watched some of it on a whim again.
Shinji - IEI
Misato - hardest character to type, honestly. I first thought IEE but i'm really not sure anymore... SLE is certainly more than plausible as was argued earlier, and is more likely than IEE, imo. I have also thought ESE or SEE. Extraverted for sure.
Gendo - LSI
Ritsuko - Ti-LII
Fuyutsuki - LSI as well?
Rei - Ni-ILI i think. I think the Se-seeking/Fe-PoLR is rather obvious.
Asuka - SLE
Yui - LIE is a fascinating choice for her. It might be true, though we don't have much to go by.
Toji - ESI?
Kensuke - Ne-ILE
Hikari - LSE
Kaji - Ni-EIE
Kaworu - Ni-EIE
maybe a little bump because the series is coming to netflix now.
one thing I want to add is that I'm very certain that Hideaki Anno is an IEI, and Shinji feels like a manifestation of Anno's thoughts and feelings, so I would type him as an IEI, too. I also think that Asuka is an SLE, which is interesting because she's Anno's and Shinji's dual. I'm not sure if I want to type the rest of the characters though, I have trouble typing fictional characters in general, because they often display various characteristics of different types.
I highly recommend Anno's live action films for fans of evangelion. his film "Ritual" is one of my favortie films.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32WdNraeZwE
https://rateyourmusic.com/film/%E5%BC%8F%E6%97%A5/
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