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    Default Neon Genesis Evangelion

    I'm sure others have seen the series here ... Opinions on the types of the characters?

    The only typings I'm absolutely confident in:

    Shinji: Ni-IEI 9w1 sp/so
    Asuka: Se-ESTp 8w7 sx/so
    Misato: Fi-IEE 7w6 sx/so

    Kaji: EIE
    Kensuke: ILE
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    I've never heard of an INFp-9w1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedrat360 View Post
    I've never heard of an INFp-9w1.
    I don't really see how an IEI being an enneagram 9 is truly impossible. The way I interpret his character, it's much more sensible than him being a four.
    IEI

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    Default Neon Genesis Evangelion remakes

    Has anyone else seen these? I guess there's just two so far. 1.11 and 2.22. The first one is more or less a revamp of the animation, but the second is pretty much completely new stuff (or I have a very shitty memory).

    Shinji: LII?
    Rei: ILI?
    Misato: ESE?
    Asuka: SLE?
    Ikari: LIE? LSI?
    Mari: ILE?
    Kaji: SEI?

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    Shinji is an IEI, yeah. Don't know about Rei... Probably not ILI, though.
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    Shinji: 1D Se certainly, and the sensitive type - IEI works
    Rei: clearly ILI. Zero emotional expression, detached from reality
    Asuka: SEE. SLE is also plausible
    Ikari: some Beta?

    I don't remember enough to comment on the others but I will rewatch it at some point.
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    Asuka seems Fi>Ti to me. Could Ikari be LSI?
    “When the heart is right, "for" and "against" are forgotten.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by BFGDoomer View Post
    Could Ikari be LSI?
    Yes.

    And Rei is ESI.

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    After watching a few episodes, yeah, Rei is probably ILI-Ni. Why ESI?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BFGDoomer View Post
    After watching a few episodes, yeah, Rei is probably ILI-Ni. Why ESI?
    Why ILI-Ni?

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    Seems to weigh more towards Ni+Fi than average ILI.
    ''Why don't you trust your fathers work?'' seems Fi-HA to me. Although this could also be interpreted as Te-Creative i guess. Still interested in your ESI typing for Rei? She doesn't seem Se-Creative to me, though she clearly is Se valuing.
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    Also, is Asuka SLE or SEE? Clearly Se-dom, but can't decide between Ti-Fe/Fi-Te
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    Quote Originally Posted by BFGDoomer View Post
    Also, is Asuka SLE or SEE? Clearly Se-dom, but can't decide between Ti-Fe/Fi-Te
    She is SLE. SEE's are not mean like that. And the scene where she is training some coordinated moves with Shinji, proves she has a contrary relation with him.

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    Yeah, i figured. Also, Se+>Se-. Do you think Shinji is SLI? Why?
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    Asuka fits exactly the picture I have for Se-SEE, this subtype could be mean imo. They're like the stereotypical tsundere bad boy. Imo, their Fi seems weak because of the focus on Se/Te. But I see her as Gamma more than Beta, she doesn't seem like she values Fe.

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    Rewatching some of the ones i don't really remember.
    ''Man fears the darkness, so he scrapes away at it with fire.''
    Rei confirmed for Ni-dom at least...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    Shut the fuck up, dumbass.

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    Ritsuko - LII?
    “When the heart is right, "for" and "against" are forgotten.”

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    Kaji = Clear EIE
    “When the heart is right, "for" and "against" are forgotten.”

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    Ima be honest, when I saw this a long time ago, I related a lot with Rei's character. She's almost a poster child for Schizoid Personality Disorder.

    This scene seems pretty fitting for her.

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    Rei is a depressed ESE. :-D
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    It could be extracted from some scenes that Gendo might have his way with her sometimes, so her personality might be a result of that. I'm pretty sure she is ESI-Fi though.

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    Is Rei really Se creative? Well, i guess Te creative isn't exactly fitting either.
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    I think Rei is EII.

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    I liked how that video was creepy and campy at the same time. Feminine hypnotization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BFGDoomer View Post
    Is Rei really Se creative? Well, i guess Te creative isn't exactly fitting either.
    It's absurd to say that she possesses any kind of force or is in touch with immediate reality as Se creative types are. She's essentially a prototypical Ni leading character - otherworldly and detached. She doesn't have any kind of emotional expression either (or much communication in general) IIRC, it fits ILI very well.
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    She doesn't have no emotional expression, she smiles when she talks or is reminded of Daddy Gendou. Hardcore seeking daddy is Te seeking.

    But yeah Se ego is ridiculous for her. She is waif af.

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    I think its more like shes an archetypal product of the mind of the writer/producer, such that you can imagine she's more of an anima than a stand alone being. judged in light of that man behind her (assuming its a man) one must ask, when typing such a fantasy character, and I mean fantasy in the technical sense, what is she supposed to be to him? that is her personality

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    It's absurd to say that she possesses any kind of force or is in touch with immediate reality as Se creative types are. She's essentially a prototypical Ni leading character - otherworldly and detached. She doesn't have any kind of emotional expression either (or much communication in general) IIRC, it fits ILI very well.
    ESI's have +Ni HA, and HA's are sometimes even more noticeable than base. Her Fi base is pretty noticeable too; her top priority is her attachments, mainly whatever she has with Gendo (although later she develops a liking for Shinji as well). She is proper, obedient, and of phlematic temprament (IJ), traits that fit ESI-Fi much more than ILI-Ni. Just tell me how she is an NT in any way. Also, Benefit ITR with Shinji works well (there is a scene where she slaps him for criticizing his father; that was very tellling of her type as ESI -- scolding Shinji for his disloyalty, and defending her important attachment -- all telling of ESI type).

    She is a clone, and she is traumatized. She doesn't show any Fe, except in a few scenes, but I don't think Fe is her PoLR. ILI's tend to drop verbal bombs and don't care how they affect others. Rei is always polite and while she almost never shows what she is feeling, she has very strong emotions that appear when she "connects" with them, like in the Armisael scenes.

    Evidence that she is +Se creative can be observed during Remiel's attack; she does a very fine job of defending EVA-01, even at the expense of her own safety. This is ESI trait. Since she is Fi subtype, her creative is not very noticeable at first glance, but it definitely is not Ne. In fact, there is no Ne anywhere in her because it is her PoLR.

    The first time I attempted to type her, I also typed her ILI (INTP back in MBTI years ago when I was a rookie), but I realized ESI was much more fitting after meeting some ESI's IRL. It really is a case of having experienced the type first hand to know that she is one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lavos View Post
    HA's are sometimes even more noticeable than base.
    I disagree with that.

    Her Fi base is pretty noticeable too; her top priority is her attachments, mainly whatever she has with Gendo (although later she develops a liking for Shinji as well).
    Fair point (for Fi valuing)

    ILI's tend to drop verbal bombs and don't care how they affect others. Rei is always polite and while she almost never shows what she is feeling, she has very strong emotions that appear when she "connects" with them, like in the Armisael scenes.
    ILIs can definitely be polite and unassuming, they aren't always rude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    I disagree with that.
    Then you need to observe people more. DCNH proves that you can have focus on determine functions giving them prominence, such could be the case with Ni (in this case Ni HA). In any case, her dreamy appearance is consistent with ESI. ESI-Fi's usually seem Ni bases.


    Fair point (for Fi valuing)
    Not any Fi valuing. It could fit -Fi as HA or base, but ILI's aren't really like that.

    ILIs can definitely be polite and unassuming, they aren't always rude.
    No, but they are certainly more rude than ESI on a constant basis. Rei is never rude, except when somebody messes with one of her important attachments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavos View Post
    Then you need to observe people more.
    I've been observing people for 11+ years, DCNH doesn't prove crap.
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    the HA thing is way overblown, if anything most the HA manifestations are somehow linked to creative so its a matter of interpretation as to whether HA ever directly manifests. Even Se shit usually comes out as Ni creative bragging, its more about conveying the perception of Se via conveyance of a Ni claim "I'm a super hard ass (insert some future or past imaginary claim)" than actually being a super hardass that is plain to see. The HA thing being obvious is like Ni-ception amounting to wishful thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    the HA thing is way overblown, if anything most the HA manifestations are somehow linked to creative so its a matter of interpretation as to whether HA ever directly manifests. Even Se shit usually comes out as Ni creative bragging, its more about conveying the perception of Se via conveyance of a Ni claim "I'm a super hard ass (insert some future or past imaginary claim)" than actually being a super hardass that is plain to see. The HA thing being obvious is like Ni-ception amounting to wishful thinking
    The "HA thing" that you consider so misguided, is the main reason some people type you ILE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    I've been observing people for 11+ years, DCNH doesn't prove crap.
    Perhaps "prove" wasn't the right word. DCNH explains that there is further diversity within the types. Do you know your DCNH type? If not, I urge you to find it out (it is probably N).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavos View Post
    The "HA thing" that you consider so misguided, is the main reason some people type you ILE.
    yeah and before that they typed me ILI on similar grounds, its just a dumb move

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavos View Post
    Perhaps "prove" wasn't the right word. DCNH explains that there is further diversity within the types. Do you know your DCNH type? If not, I urge you to find it out (it is probably N).
    I don't need any more unsolicited advice from you.

    Logically, being familiar with the types also means being familiar with variation within the types -- which obviously exists because there are more than 16 kinds of people in the world with a variety of different experiences and genetic traits. Subtype theories do not explain "that" this variation exists (which again is obvious), they assert that particular traits vary within type -- which are (ideally) unrelated to or at least clearly separable from actual type-related traits.

    As it stands, DCNH traits overlap heavily with basic socionic traits which not only corrupts how people use the basic theory, it provides a great excuse for bad socionics typings -- which is the only thing subtype theories are ever actually used for in practice, as your posts clearly demonstrate. Or you could, y'know, actually learn Model A and its interpretation instead of using experimental subtype theories to dilute its predictions at will.
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    We can solve this dispute by her being EII 4D Ni 4D Fi cough cough

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    I don't need any more unsolicited advice from you.

    Logically, being familiar with the types also means being familiar with variation within the types -- which obviously exists because there are more than 16 kinds of people in the world with a variety of different experiences and genetic traits. Subtype theories do not explain "that" this variation exists (which again is obvious), they assert that particular traits vary within type -- which are (ideally) unrelated to or at least clearly separable from actual type-related traits.

    As it stands, DCNH traits overlap heavily with basic socionic traits which not only corrupts how people use the basic theory, it provides a great excuse for bad socionics typings -- which is the only thing subtype theories are ever actually used for in practice, as your posts clearly demonstrate. Or you could, y'know, actually learn Model A and its interpretation instead of using experimental subtype theories to dilute its predictions at will.
    It looks like you got stuck at "classical socionics" like Sol did. It also seems like you are a follower of Occam's razor. But you have a point; it makes more sense to try to type first in the classical manner. But the thing is that when one gets proficient in the subtype theories, it might be easier to identify them first (or everything at the same time).
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    Y'all can suck my Occam's razor dick. Here are my typings:

    REI: EII
    SHINJI: IEI
    ASUKA: SEE
    MISATO: SLE (I would accept ILE for her too, but she's framed as a sensuous woman)
    KAJI: Fe ego (I've considered SEI, EIE, and IEI)
    GENDOU: LIE?
    RITSUKO: ILI
    KENSUKE: ILE
    TOJI: SEE?
    MARI: LIE or alpha NT

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