ENFP in MBTI and ESFj in Socionics?

[Chloe]

Is it possible?

because i was told i am Alpha probably.

What would ESFj-Ne mean?
Or ESFj-Fi?

[crazedrat]

neither of those exist.

[717495]

Is it possible?

Yes. What, you think all ENFPs are ENFp in Socionics?

[Jarno]

Is it possible?

yes if you don't know yourself very well or misinterpretate what is asked in the questionaires you could easely make mistakes. But you can only be one type.

MBTI ENFP type descriptions looks most similar to ENFp type description in socionics. Same goes for ESFJ and ESFj.

[717495]

MBTI ENFP type descriptions looks most similar to ENFp type description in socionics. Same goes for ESFJ and ESFj.

That's sort of misleading. I do relate to the ENTP descriptions in some light, and it might stand out more so on a forum atmosphere, but I definitely relate more to the INTP descriptions, and I know some ENTps and many INTjs here do too.

It's impossible for information element and dichotomy to match up perfectly, and in some instances they don't at all, unless Einstein decided to become a socionicist instead and developed a perfect system for this. Reinin did pretty close, and he actually makes me come out ENTP. Reinin Dichotomies.

What makes you to most likely come out the correct type in Socionics is to grasp what dominant information element you are, and which other three you value.

Links:
Information Elements
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...n-aspects.html
Information Element Themes

[The Exception]

Is it possible?

because i was told i am Alpha probably.

What would ESFj-Ne mean?
Or ESFj-Fi?

neither of those exist.

Depends on what subtype system you're using. If you limit it to the simpler two subtype system, then the only possibilities are ESFj-Fe and ESFj-Si (base and creative functions, respectively).

If you expand it to 8 subtypes- one for each function, then ESFj-Ne and ESFj-Fi are possible.

That's sort of misleading. I do relate to the ENTP descriptions in some light, and it might stand out more so on a forum atmosphere, but I definitely relate more to the INTP descriptions, and I know some ENTps and many INTjs here do too.

Yeah. I'm an MBTI INTP and a socionics INTj. I know some MBTI INTPs over on another forum who consider themselves socionics ENTps and even one that typed as a socionics INTj.

MatthewZ is a socionics INTj who considers himself ISFJ in MBTI. It's probably not common but I don't think its impossible.

[Aleksei]

Depends on what subtype system you're using. If you limit it to the simpler two subtype system, then the only possibilities are ESFj-Fe and ESFj-Si (base and creative functions, respectively).

If you expand it to 8 subtypes- one for each function, then ESFj-Ne and ESFj-Fi are possible.

Correct. I use the latter, and I told her she could be one of those, on basis on the fact she fits Alpha Quadra much better than Delta Quadra.

Yeah. I'm an MBTI INTP and a socionics INTj. I know some MBTI INTPs over on another forum who consider themselves socionics ENTps and even one that typed as a socionics INTj.

LII is the default INTP socionics correlation type. And yes, ILE is the second-best fit. Weird Al's character from White & Nerdy (INTP 7w6 sx/sp) is probably ILE.

MatthewZ is a socionics INTj who considers himself ISFJ in MBTI. It's probably not common but I don't think its impossible.

I couldn't comment on that, but the reverse is not uncommon. INTJ 4s (INTJ sappy romantics/stalkers, usually stuck on an Ni + Fi loop) are usually ESI. Examples of this would be Claude Frollo (movie), Severus Snape, and Edward Cullen (yes, sparklefag "vampire" is INTJ).

[Crispy]

Here's an excerpt from a socionics page:

INTj or INTp?
INTjs are in their element when involved with science, invention, innovation, discovery, theory, explanation, interpretation, philosophy etc.

And here's one from an MBTI page:

The Personality Type Portraits
* ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers
* ESTJ - The Guardians
* ISFJ - The Nurturers
* ESFJ - The Caregivers
* ISTP - The Mechanics
* ESTP - The Doers
* ESFP - The Performers
* ISFP - The Artists
* ENTJ - The Executives
* INTJ - The Scientists
* ENTP - The Visionaries
* INTP - The Thinkers
* ENFJ - The Givers
* INFJ - The Protectors
* ENFP - The Inspirers
* INFP - The Idealists

EDIT: More MBTI Passages
http://www.personalitypage.com/html/INTJ.html
INTJs focus their energy on observing the world (Accepting Ti), and generating ideas and possibilities (Producing Ne)
http://www.personalitypage.com/html/INTP.html
INTPs live in the world of theoretical possibilities (Accepting Ni). They see everything in terms of how it could be improved. (Producing Te)

EDIT2:
-=THIS=-
http://www.personalitypage.com/html/INTP_rel.html
INTP Weaknesses:
Tend to "blow off" conflict situations by ignoring them, or else they "blow up" in heated anger (Fe PoLR)

-=SOUNDS A LOT LIKE THIS=-
http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...e=Filatova_ILI
He prefers not to quarrel with family and is willing to go as far as it takes to get away from conflict, even if his partner becomes intolerant. However, in a critical situation he is capable of “exploding,” losing control of himself, manifesting a state of literal madness – in such times he may resort to physical violence on his surroundings.

INTx = INTX
I can give you a million more examples if you like.

To those who really believe they are unique and can be two different types in systems that describe the same phenomenon, you should give the MBTI descrips another go through.

[Chloe]

and I told her she could be one of those, on basis on the fact she fits Alpha Quadra much better than Delta Quadra.

Can someone explain in few words each Quadra. Descriptions on wikisocionics seem too long and I can fit any quadra maybe there. Something more generalised?

Also, someone explained me alpha like this : and the person also said i fit alpha.

young, childish, sharing crazy ideas, promoting intellectual discussion for fun, probably a lot of debate too. That's all I can remember, but they seem the youngest

is that true?

[MatthewZ]

MatthewZ is a socionics INTj who considers himself ISFJ in MBTI. It's probably not common but I don't think its impossible.

I suppose I should have the decency to comment on this. I actually type myself as INTP in MBTI. I simply mess with the self-typing field on TypoC to see who will believe me.

[Chloe]

to people who keep saying stuff like that LII and ISFJ isnt impossible, can you at least reason that somehow? with cognititve functions in socionics? profiles? paralel between mbti ISFJ and socionics INTj.

[The Exception]

I suppose I should have the decency to comment on this. I actually type myself as INTP in MBTI. I simply mess with the self-typing field on TypoC to see who will believe me.

Okay, fair enough. I thought you might have been stuck in a Ti/Si loop. Theres another member on there who self-types as ISFJ who I think may really be an INTP.

[Aleksei]

yes if you don't know yourself very well or misinterpretate what is asked in the questionaires you could easely make mistakes. But you can only be one type.

You can only be one type in one system, but Socionics and MBTI are two separate, distinct systems. MBTI lacks Freudian subconscious blocks, and several functions wildly differ between the two systems (in particular, Se and Si in MBTI and Socionics are nothing alike). It isn't even close to being an equivalent system.

So yes, it is perfectly possible to be ENFP ESE.

[matilda]

it is, and, although one would probably get shit for saying this, I can see Ne + Fi in MBTI resembling socionics .

it's kinda sucky how all of this ends up having to depend on interpretation If only there was a machine that could accurately determine type..

[Gilly]

It's perfectly feasible; in fact the coincidence of those two types hardly surprises me.

[Jarno]

You can only be one type in one system, but Socionics and MBTI are two separate, distinct systems. MBTI lacks Freudian subconscious blocks, and several functions wildly differ between the two systems (in particular, Se and Si in MBTI and Socionics are nothing alike). It isn't even close to being an equivalent system.

So yes, it is perfectly possible to be ENFP ESE.

if you take mbti flawed functions seriously, then they are different systems.

if you look at type descriptions, for example ISTP is called the mechanic in socionics and master of tools in mbti. But you didn't mention the descriptions...Don't you think they are alike?

[Jarno]

I've made a little test to prove my point.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tml#post681909

[Chloe]

Its seems like you guys on the16types.com never agree on anything! I mean, that's common for forums, but I noticed that on this forum particulary.

What's happening here ? I guess forum would have more visitors if not all discussions are stopped with not discussing, but simply disagreeing with others.

[Chloe]

I've made a little test to prove my point.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tml#post681909

You put only parts of profiles, not long profiles, long profiles dont sound alike. In MBTI, dont know about Socionics.

[Aleksei]

if you look at type descriptions, for example ISTP is called the mechanic in socionics and master of tools in mbti. But you didn't mention the descriptions...Don't you think they are alike?

I think the MBTI descriptions are apropos of nothing. They describe how a person using only their first two functions might act, and at that they generally make flawed assumptions -- such as that Fe and Fi are all nice and cuddly all the time. I do think ISTP and SLI are alike, but ISTP and ISTp do seem very close to equivalent (which, note, shouldn't happen because SLI is Si-Te and ISTP is Ti-Se -- same with the eerily similar ISTJ and LSI). SLE and ESTP on the other hand are nothing alike, unless the ESTP in question is an asshole 8w7.

Don't fuck with me on MBTI. Seriously.

[Chloe]

such as that Fe and Fi are all nice and cuddly all the time. :

heey!! I am nice and cuddly, all the time.