Who are the bad-guys and why?
Last night I was insistant that Betas are evil. ****** is the classic example. Then my SLE brother reminded me that Brilliand had said Winston Churchil was a Beta, too. Brilliand claimed Gammmas were the most evil because, though Betas are the most likely to fight over the world, Gammas are the most likely to take over the world. He gave Napoleon as the bad-guy example.
Delta's playing their hussle game, secretly waiting for the day when they'll come out in full force to strike terror into the hearts of the socion.
Beta is I think, the quadra of good and evil in action, manifested in the outside world.
Delta is the quadra of good and evil within, tempered without.
Gamma materialistic indifference
Alpha, childish playfulness and unrealising cruelty.
Or not, maybe..innit.
Depends on what you mean by evil, I suppose.
Intentional acts, malicious indifference?
I think it's the choice of light and dark, high and low frequencies, fear and love. They are the same, fluid but different and the choices are personal not quadra related.
An evil beta extravert is maybe more likely to tap into the collective evil within a society and lead it as the figurehead - ******
Rather than an uncharismatic or insular evil person of an other type.
IEE-Ne
Aristocrats are generally more polarized, thus I'd say they're more likely to be "evil".
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Well that's easy; deltas are for sure, without a doubt the most evil quadra there is.
I voted gamma because they're the ones who make the money and run the corporations.
Betas are more evil because they lead things to chaos even when they´re trying to improve.
Gamma can be evil because of their materialistic self-centeredness, they just don´t give a fuck abt anything in this sense they´re capable of doing evil to others.
Delta is not evil it is more like indifferent it does not want to see things as it is and fight, so in this sense can be evil by being unwilling to fight.
Alpha is evil as a child is, sometimes the most biting evil because cruel like children are, they just lose to Beta the title because Betas are dominant and lack humaneness and kindness and love, basic human values (unvalued Fi).
Although I have met some betas who were not like this, mostly ISTJs, at least they respect rules and healthy social customs.
I don't know if it counts but alpha's are the biggest perverts
IMO an example of Alpha evil:
Imagine a large, powerful, sensible and rational business with a stable long-term vision that "gives back to the community" on a regular basis and rewards its employees generously. A business which is a true credit to the community and run by a serious, moral and wise man with a enviable work ethic. Now imagine the complete opposite of that and that would represent Alpha to some degree.
So in terms of evil behaviour in individual Alphas:
*short-term scams
*cheating the system
*exploiting employees/innocents
*an aversion to any sort of altruism
Basically anything to undermine the values and principles of the business I described.
Was that... a serious post?
People say they don't like 'Se' because they confuse it with pushiness or harshness, or bullying (not true, but let's say for the sake of discussion you are right)
But what they fail to realize is that, usually people who love you and care about you are the ones that are pushing you. Maybe they are misguided. Perhaps they aren't right about you, don't understand something internally about you- but if they really didn't care, they'd just leave you alone. If anybody is paying attention to you, for whatever reason- it means that the person cares about you in some way, even if it's not the way that you want exactly.
And it's like, we're fucked up because we romanticize all these people that 'leave us alone.' They're probably leaving you alone because they don't care about you at all. You're dead to them, in the truest sense of the word. We think that something good is just around the corner with these people who leave us alone, they must have something really good for us because they're not being annoying to us like everybody else is. But is that necessarily true? Probably not. So fucking what, nobody can be your ideal romantic thing you want them to be- you have to accept people as they are, and they will always let you down and dissapoint you , but at least it's better than pretending that you have something with somebody that you don't really have.
lol *cough*
That's more Ni/Se IMO
I agree with Gilly that Delta "evil" is more about a reluctance to change, as in playing a passive role in the whole of society. I could understand how other quadras, particularly Betas, may view this as a selfish way of life
And by change I'm not just referring to the progressive sense (i.e. far leftists, rebels), it could also be inverted change (i.e dogmatic, conservative) among other things.
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It's more Betas hating on the conservativeness of Fi, from what I've seen, directed at Gammas and Deltas. Even some SEEs can be pretty disliked for their passive reluctance to change society, reflected by their peaceful demeanor--not that they're actually passive personalities in general.
Betas will certainly kill for a cause, so to speak.
A lot of people overestimate the degree to which Se is evil. Se is used by both the people who cause atrocities AND by those who prevent them by stopping those who would commit them. It is somehow only the former that get remembered.
I was going to say... the most evil quadra is the opposing quadra.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
imo Gamma and Beta values can make one pretty evil. There was something based on "war" and "structure" dichotomies around .... Gamma > warlike and organized, Beta > warlike and chaotic.
Guys, can't we all just get along and agree to disagree?
@Director Abbie, is this multiple choice? If so, I wanted to vote for every single one except the one I am in.
Proposition:
I will have to consolidate some but it can be done. Ya'll fuel my fire.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Gammas want to take over the world. Betas just want to watch the world burn.
pretty much ever beta i know is tame and vanilla compared to this dumb stereotype. i am of course including the people on this forum.
^ that was informative
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I'm sure it was...
Betas, but I still like 'em.
i'm kind of worried that the less aware people here will just interpret the verdict in this thread as being exaggerated or even caricatured, to the effect of being essentially right at its core but presented in an artificially maximized contrast, when the truth is it's wrong in a much deeper sense than that.
ps. its fucking annoying when people think doing this is "wise"; morons.
Deltas
Alpha- Chaotic Neutral
Beta- Chaotic Evil
Gamma- Lawful Evil
Delta- Neutral Evil
Alphas aren't intentionally evil but everyone else is.
Ne/Si quadras
Idle hands are the devil’s tools