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    if you've ever been frustrated with SLE, this may make you feel better (or at least laugh a bit)... from socionics.com (one of the "uncovered" portraits, which is tongue-in-cheek)


    ESTp are consummate snake-oil salespeople who have only one goal in life: to sell themselves or their ideas. If ESTp cannot gain your love or admiration, they will settle for your submission. ESTp are fast-moving and fast-talking, and seek the finer things in life, even though, those things may belong to you. However, they would be quite generous to others with your things.

    Rules and laws are seen only as guidelines for ESTp. If they decide that something needs to be done, then they'll do it regardless of who gets hurt. Their wants and needs take precedence over any rules. They're outspoken risk-takers who don't mind getting their hands really dirty. ESTp live in the here-and-now, and place little importance on introspection or consequence.

    Getting an ESTp to finish or commit to something is like trying to land a large tuna - one must come prepared for a fight. The ESTp will leave a trail of unfinished business and relationships. Their live-in-the-moment philosophy drives them to continually seek new relationships and challenges, while existing projects and people bore them. Issues that require focus and concentration will sap the ESTp of energy while the fight to avoid chores will invigorate them. ESTp remain committed only as long as there is a real impending threat to them, but they will remain totally bored with everybody and everything that is familiar.

    As clever as an ESTp may be, following instruction will be the most difficult chore for them. The ESTp will often have trouble in school; they see little use of theory in their insatiable quest for new things and experiences. ESTp intuition is often wrong so they don't trust theory or their instincts, and is highly suspicious of the instincts of others. They're only interested in physically what you have and what you can give - forget the intangibles.

    ESTp are proud of the fact that they don't plan because they feel they can manoeuvre in any situation. They typically makes things up as they go. However, they react more than they think; they make rash decisions and then have to fix them. They're always improvising because they use so little intuition. Their decisions and actions are based upon their understanding of the facts at hand, which are frequently incomplete, especially when the situation involves people.

    ESTp use their ability to perceive attitudes and motivations to get what they want out of people. Having a strong flair for drama and style, they're very good at manipulating the truth and improvising to suit the situation. They can be extremely charming initially. However, they will eventually squeeze all the fun and energy out of relationships. As boredom sets in, their sensual nature becomes more earthy, caring little about the effect their words have on you. Their fast-paced lives will leave many friends in the dust.

    ESTp approach intimacy from a shallow, physical perspective rather than from any depth of affection. They may verbally express words of affection during intimacy but never really mean any of them. They do not care what others are feeling unless they're after something, and when they get it, they usually won't express any gratitude - it's like a conquest. For them, actions speak louder than words, and words, other than their own, are irrelevant. People who require affirmation should avoid ESTp. The gift that an ESTp will give to an old friend is a toy with which they have finished playing, or one which needs a partner. They consider gifts more like tools that are reserved for gaining new conquests.

    The ESTp needs to keep moving, and will place much effort into ensuring (s)he is not restricted or confined. They feel stifled and unhappy when dealing with routine chores. However, they get very excited about new endeavours, and have the ability to motivate abettors (lemmings towards the sea). Although they have talent for getting many things started, ESTp finish little. If one starts a project or relationship with an ESTp, expect to have to provide all the follow-through.

    ESTp are one of the most exciting but challenging types to be around. They immerse themselves in risky situations providing non-stop action, and will suck you along with them. They are competitors that want to beat everybody into the ground - especially their old friends. They are drawn toward games of skill that offer an opportunity to defeat others. This, coupled with their tendency to cheat, makes them formidable opponents. Their own sense of personal integrity has the theme: "my way is the only way". Their rash enthusiasm and excitement-loving nature toward risk make them dangerous companions.

    You know you're in the realm of an ESTp when every flat surface is piled with "borrowed" items and junk.

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    What sort of klepto SLEs do these people know? Clearly this description was written by someone uninteresting.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    An LII, actually.

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    A lot of 'half-truths' in that article. And they are making EPs sound like they have EJ energy. People with EJ energy act all 'hustle and bustle' not EP-ers.

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    blah, this is a horrible description.

    Getting an ESTp to finish or commit to something is like trying to land a large tuna - one must come prepared for a fight. The ESTp will leave a trail of unfinished business and relationships. Their live-in-the-moment philosophy drives them to continually seek new relationships and challenges, while existing projects and people bore them. Issues that require focus and concentration will sap the ESTp of energy while the fight to avoid chores will invigorate them. ESTp remain committed only as long as there is a real impending threat to them, but they will remain totally bored with everybody and everything that is familiar.
    Maybe in relationships, but when it comes to personal projects The SLE's I know will fiercely commit to something until it's finished. If they want it, it's there is no backing down. That's what I find so admirable about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    An LII, actually.
    Really? I thought SG was some beta type.
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    not exactly sure about SG, i thought ILI. this was by I/O though, an LII

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    This thread is old. I like the description, it sounds generally exciting, even though it was maybe too long and described contradictally in some minor parts. Didn't sound too EJ. Who wrote it?

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    who's digging up old threads

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    Yeah this kinda sounded like an ESE to me.
    However if the person known as Carlos Mencia is SLE then I see a definite comparison.

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    i did lol D: i was just looking at all the beta threads, i'm new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    i did lol D: i was just looking at all the beta threads, i'm new.
    you look like an alien

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    oh? how do aliens look? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    oh? how do aliens look? lol
    aliens don't have a defined look as such. they look "different".

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    She looks sideways. And a little bit Bjork-ish. And pretty.

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    Lol ESEs.

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    no way

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    well Merk, i think i look human, so doesn't that make me human? D: D: D: who knows, maybe i'm not, my mom is one of those people who believes humans came from another planet so maybe we all are aliens? and thanks goldenwings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    well Merk, i think i look human, so doesn't that make me human? D: D: D: who knows, maybe i'm not, my mom is one of those people who believes humans came from another planet so maybe we all are aliens? and thanks goldenwings
    sure, why not.

    is your mother crazy?

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    well she is an IEE so... jk, hahaha. but i've considered it as a definite possibility...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    well she is an IEE so... jk, hahaha. but i've considered it as a definite possibility...
    i think iee's seem to act crazier than tehy aer .. until you realise that they actualyl believe a lot of what tehy say!

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    My mom's crazy, and she's Ne.

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    she believes it but she contradicts herself. like she used to be an all out atheist who thought we became a race through aliens, then the past few months she is suddenly very religious and thinks god is the only way to be happy, but then still thinks aliens put us here, or some crap. i think some of her craziness is not type related though

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    yeah, probably that is more television-related.

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    Hahaha, forgot this existed! Obviously exaggerated, but so true sometimes...

    Rules and laws are seen only as guidelines for ESTp. If they decide that something needs to be done, then they'll do it regardless of who gets hurt.
    Or sometimes, who gets hurt is an afterthought. Actually, most things other than "I'm totally going to do this! OK, it's done." seems to be an afterthought...


    Getting an ESTp to finish or commit to something is like trying to land a large tuna - one must come prepared for a fight. The ESTp will leave a trail of unfinished business and relationships.
    Hahaha, this is probably more true of SLE 7s. If my SLE bf wants something he'll do it immediately, without thinking. If I assign him a task though, he'll quickly run off on a tangent.

    e.g. Planning a holiday:

    Me: Hey, can you look up hotel prices in this city?

    Him: Sure!

    (five minutes later)

    Me: So, did you get those prices?

    Him: OH SHIT! Sorry, got distracted. I have... one hotel price. I've bought all the parts I need for a new computer though, and I've ordered us pizza. I was hungry! I can't think when I'm hungry!


    ESTp are proud of the fact that they don't plan because they feel they can manoeuvre in any situation. They typically makes things up as they go. However, they react more than they think; they make rash decisions and then have to fix them. They're always improvising because they use so little intuition. Their decisions and actions are based upon their understanding of the facts at hand, which are frequently incomplete, especially when the situation involves people.
    Hahaha, so true. That's why they need IEIs.
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    Oi! This thread got bumped again.

    C'mon people... can't you see the author's motivation?

    The author was obviously romantically hurt by an ESTp. So they decided to write this painfully negative outlook of ESTps as their way of 'warning others' of the dangers of ESTps, of 'helping the world' know about the pain they can cause, and just trying to cause damage to ESTps' chances of getting into another romantic relationship. I'm a writer myself, and I consider the author's description a very unhealthy way of venting. There are better ways to express your hate for ESTps, without scarring the viewpoint of many neutral readers, biasedly based on your one, bad experience.

    This thread is a joke... I'm surprised people are even considering anything the author wrote about. Perhaps some underlying truth in the tendencies, but it's about unhealthy ESTps, and way overly exaggerrated and negative to be any use. ESTps, for the most part, are not like that.

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    The lovely author is YOUR dual; I would be nice to her as to keep good relations. (I hope that serves as a good example)

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    You know you're in the realm of an ESTp when every flat surface is piled with "borrowed" items and junk.
    Actually, after just looking at my desk here...

    Borrowed items from my mom, sister, stepdad, one friend Mike, one friend James, something I got for free at college, another thing borrowed from my friend Katherine, and one thing from a random lady at the bank...

    Ok, maybe it hurts because some of these underlying tendencies are quite true. But to say that we're not interested in the intangibles, or want to improve, or really do care about people, is wrong.

    And the overall description, I stick to, is still very biasedly written by someone who got out of an unhealthy, unappreciative relationship with an ESTp. And, I strongly believe, the author would be healthier if she learned to hate that particular person, as opposed to a whole personality type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    The lovely author is YOUR dual; I would be nice to her as to keep good relations. (I hope that serves as a good example)
    You're on hyperdrive Maritsa. Posting at warp speed... seriously, you've been averaging 200 posts per week for the past several days? Peaked at like 210?

    Let me guess, the reason why you have so much time lately... the stomach/ulcer thing, or whatever it was, still not doing well? Having to stay home a lot?

    Hope ya feel better at least!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    You're on hyperdrive Maritsa. Posting at warp speed... seriously, you've been averaging 200 posts per week for the past several days? Peaked at like 210?

    Let me guess, the reason why you have so much time lately... the stomach/ulcer thing, or whatever it was, still not doing well? Having to stay home a lot?

    Hope ya feel better at least!
    What does it matter to you how many posts I make? Yes I have to stay home a lot. Thanks...I'll get better soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    What does it matter to you how many posts I make?
    Oh, nothing. No reason at all. I love all your posts.


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