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    Go.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Noooo fucking way. He's a 3w4, and thus not SLI.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Okay, I'm going.
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    No other type makes sense.

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    He was very driven, intense, angry, etc.

    Se valuing maybe, but that's all you get out of me. Been a long time since I played w. him so mm

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    I typed the others in case it might help type him. It doesn't seem to, these are what I came up with, tentatively.

    Code:
    Zack		-	IEI-Fe
    Tifa		-	SLE-Ti
    Sephiroth	-	IEI-Ni
    Aerith		-	IEE-Ne
    Vincent		-	IEI-Ni
    Barret		-	SLE-Se
    Cid		-	SLE-Se
    Yuffie		-	SEE-Se
    For Cloud - ILI or SLI. I'm inclined to say emotionally damaged SLI more though. The way he uses intuition doesn't seem to be very healthy, positive, useful, or confident. It's as if he's been torn from his Si-ego.

    Here is some dialogue I randomly grabbed from the script of the game (Final Fantasy VII: The Complete Script).

    (Cloud looks out the window.)

    Cloud
    "A floating city... Pretty unsettling scenery."

    (Barret gets up.)

    Barret
    "Huh?"
    "Never expect to hear that outta someone like you."
    "...you jes' full of surprises."

    Barret
    "The upper world... a city on a plate..."
    "It's 'cuz of that &^#$# 'pizza', that people underneath are
    sufferin'!"
    "And the city below is full of polluted air."
    "On topa that, the Reactor keeps drainin' up all the energy."

    Cloud
    "Then why doesn't everyone move onto the plate?"

    Barret
    "Dunno. Probably 'cuz they ain't got no money. Or, maybe..."
    "'Cuz they love their land, no matter how polluted it gets."

    Cloud
    "I know... no one lives in the slums because they want to."
    "It's like this train. It can't run anywhere except where its
    rails take it."









    Cloud
    "Shut up!"
    "I don't care about either Shinra or SOLDIER!"
    "But don't get me wrong!"
    "I don't care about AVALANCHE or the Planet for that matter!"







    Cloud
    "Long time no see, President."

    President Shinra
    "...Long time no see? Oh... you."
    "You're the one who quit SOLDIER and joined AVALANCHE. I knew
    you were exposed to Mako, from the glow in your eyes..."
    "Tell me, traitor... what was your name?"

    Cloud
    "Cloud."

    President Shinra
    "Forgive me for asking, but I can't be expected to remember each
    person's name."
    "Unless you become another Sephiroth."
    "Yes, Sephiroth... He was brilliant. Perhaps too brilliant..."

    (Cloud steps back.)

    Cloud
    "Sephiroth.....?"

    (Barret runs forward.)

    Barret
    "Don't give a damn 'bout none of that! This place'e goin' up with
    a big BANG soon! Serves y'all right!"








    ...You all right?
    ...Can you hear me?

    Cloud
    ".....Yeah....."

    Back then... You could get by with just skinned knees.....

    Cloud
    "What do you mean by 'back then'?"

    What about now? Can you get up?

    Cloud
    ".....What do you mean by 'that time'? .....What about now?"

    Don't worry about me. You just worry about yourself now.

    Cloud
    ".....I'll give it a try."

    "Oh! He moved!"

    .....How about that?
    Take it slow now. Little by little.....

    "Hello, hello?"

    Cloud
    ".....I know."

    Cloud
    "Hey... who are you?"

    "Hello, hello!"







    "You okay?"
    "This is a church in the Sector 5 slums."
    "You suddenly fell on top of me. You really gave me quite a
    scare."

    Cloud
    "......I came crashing down?"

    "The roof and the flower bed must have broken your fall.
    You're lucky."

    Cloud
    "Flower bed... is this yours?"

    (He stands up and brushes his clothes off.)

    Cloud
    "Sorry about that."

    "That's all right. The flowers here are quite resilient because
    this is a sacred place."
    "They say you can't grow grass and flowers in Midgar."
    "But for some reason, the flowers have no trouble blooming here."
    "I love it here."





    (Aerith follows Cloud. They jump across many rooftops and pieces of
    debris, heading away from the church. Cloud gets far ahead of her.)

    Aerith
    "Wait... Wait, I said!"

    (She catches up, carefully, femininely judging each gap.)

    "Puff... wheeze..."
    "Slow.... down.... Don't leave me...."

    Cloud
    "Funny..."
    "I thought you were cut out to be
    in SOLDIER?"

    Aerith
    "Oh! You're terrible!"

    (Cloud laughs.)

    Aerith
    "Hey.... Cloud. Were you ever in
    SOLDIER?"

    Cloud
    "....."
    "...I used to be. How did you guess?"

    Aerith
    "...Your eyes. They have a strange glow..."

    Cloud
    "That's the sign of those who have been infused with Mako..."
    "A mark of SOLDIER."
    "But, how did you know about that?"

    Aerith
    "........Oh, nothing."

    Cloud
    "Nothing....?"

    Aerith
    "Right, nothing!"
    "Come on, let's go! Bodyguard!"











    (Cloud and the others are in the inn at Kalm.)

    Cloud
    "....and that's the end of my story."

    Barret
    "Wait a damn minute! Ain't there more?"

    Cloud
    "....I don't remember."

    Aerith
    "What happened to Sephiroth?"

    Cloud
    "In terms of skill, I couldn't have killed him."

    Tifa
    "Official records state Sephiroth is dead. I read it in the
    newspaper."

    Aerith
    "Shinra, Inc. owns the newspaper, so you can't rely on that i
    nformation."

    Cloud
    "......I want to know the truth. I want to know what happened
    then."
    "I challenged Sephiroth amd lived. Why didn't he kill me?"

    Tifa
    ".......I'm alive, too."

    Aerith
    "Seems like a lot of this doesn't make sense. What about Jenova?
    It was in the Shinra building, right?"

    Cloud
    "Shinra shipped it from Nibelheim to Midgar."

    Aerith
    "Did someone else carry it out after that? It was missing from
    the Shinra building."

    Tifa
    "Sephiroth.....?"














    Cloud
    "What happened to you two?"

    (He follows them outside. Aerith is standing behind a house, facing a

    rock.)

    Cloud
    "Aerith..."

    Aerith
    "What a shock..... I didn't know Zack was from this town."

    Cloud
    "You know him?"

    (She turns to Cloud)

    Aerith
    "Didn't I tell you? He was my first love."

    Cloud
    "............"

    Aerith
    "Zack.... SOLDIER First Class. Same as Cloud."

    Cloud
    "Strange, there aren't that many who make First Class, but I've
    never heard of him."

    (She turns back to the rock)

    Aerith
    "That's all right. It's all in the past now. I was just worried
    because I heard he's been missing."

    Cloud
    "Missing?"








    Cid
    "Glad to be aboard, numbskulls!"

    Cloud
    "Numskulls...?"

    Cid
    "Yeah. Anyone stupid enough to go up against Shinra nowadays, has
    GOTTA be a numskull! I like it!"

    (He shrugs)

    Cid
    "So, where we headed?"
    "Rufus was goin' after Sephiroth towards the Temple of the
    Ancients."

    Cloud
    "Really!? ...Where is it? That Temple of the Ancients?"

    Cid
    "Dunno. That numskull kid was tellin' me he was headin 'the
    wrong direction'... so maybe it's off this way?"

    Cloud
    "Let's just head for land and get some information. Temple of the
    Ancients... that name bothers me."










    Aerith
    "I'm sorry, forget it!"
    "I think I'm tired. I'm going to bed now."

    (She runs upstairs)

    Cait Sith
    "What was that, all of a sudden!?"
    "Is that all? How 'bout the Black Materia?"

    (Cloud shrugs)

    Cloud
    "You wouldn't understand even if I told you."

    Barret
    "Now all we gotta do is take action! We're startin' tomorrow!!"











    (Cloud makes his way to the bottom of the pit, followed by Aerith. He goes
    over to the Black Materia.)

    Cloud
    "As long as we have this, Sephiroth won't be able to use Meteor."

    (You get the Black Materia.)

    Cloud
    "Mmm?"
    "Can you guys use it?"

    Aerith
    "Nope, we can't use it right now. You need great spiritual power
    to use it."



    Cloud
    "You mean lots of Spiritual energy?"

    Aerith
    "That's right."
    "One person's power alone won't do it."
    "Somewhere special. Where there's plenty of the Planet's
    energy..."
    "Oh yeah!"
    "The Promised Land!"

    Cloud
    "The Promised Land?"
    "No, but..."

    Aerith
    "Sephiroth is different. He's not an Ancient."

    Cloud
    "He shouldn't be able to find the Promised Land."










    Aerith
    "Cloud, are you all right?"

    Cloud
    "...I gave the Black Materia to Sephiroth...?"

    (He straightens for a brief moment, then falls at Aerith's feet.)

    Cloud
    "Wha... what did I do... tell me, Aerith."

    (Aerith bends down to him)

    Aerith
    "Cloud... be strong, OK?"

    (Cloud starts writhing on the ground.)

    Cloud
    "Urrrrrrgh... What have I done!?"

    (Aerith kneels down by him.)

    Aerith
    "Cloud... you haven't done anything."
    "It's not your fault."

    (Cloud stands up slowly... and punches Aerith. She falls backwards and
    Cloud falls onto her, landing blow after blow.)

    Cloud
    "I...! I'm----!"

    (Cait Sith arrives. Tifa is frantic by the edge of the pit)

    Tifa
    "Cloud--!!"

    Cait Sith
    "Oops! This looks like I came at a bad time!"
    "I'm Cait Sith No. 2. Right pleased to meet you all!"

    (Cloud continues to beat Aerith.)

    Tifa
    "Cloud, what are you doing!?"

    (Cloud stops and falls to one side. The screen goes white.)

    Cloud
    "Everything is white..."
    "What did I do? I don't remember anything..."
    "My memory... since when...? If everything's a dream, don't
    wake me."










    Cloud
    "I don't know how Aerith tried to save the planet from the
    Meteor."
    "And I guess now, we'll never know."
    "But!"

    (He nods.)

    Cloud
    "We still have a chance. We must get that Black Materia back
    before Sephiroth uses it."
    "Let's go."







    Cloud
    "What's down there?"

    Elena
    "It's a SE-CR-ET."
    "It really doesn't matter! But you really got guts doin' my boss
    in like that!"

    Cloud
    "You mean Boss... Tseng? That wasn't us. Sephiroth did it."

    Elena
    "No! Don't think you can fool me, liar!"

    Cloud
    "I'm not lying... it was Sephiroth."

    Elena
    "Don't try to act innocent. I'll never forget it!!"

    (Cloud scratches his head)

    Cloud
    "Oh, man..."









    Cloud
    "...SOLDIER, First Class?"

    (He shakes it harder.)

    Cloud
    "...SOLDIER? When did I enter SOLDIER?"

    (He clutches his head, trembling.)

    Cloud
    "How did I join SOLDIER?"

    (He falls to the ground, shaking harder.)

    Cloud
    "Why... why can't I remember?"

    (He rises to one knee.)

    Cloud
    "I'm... I'm..."

    (He stands.)

    Cloud
    "That's right..."

    (He nods)

    Cloud
    "...I didn't have to worry about it, because I was..."

    (The screen fades to black. Silence.)

    Tifa
    "......Cloud?"

    Cloud
    "Let's go, Tifa. I'm... I'm all right."









    Tifa
    "You remembered!!"

    (Zack rushes, leaving Tifa where she lies, up the stairs, after Sephiroth.
    He sprints into Jenova's room.)

    Tifa
    "That's right! It was Zack who came to Nibelheim with Sephiroth!"
    "Then, where were you, Cloud?"

    (After a long, silent pause, Zack flies backward out of Jenova's room,
    landing atop one of the pods, in exactly the same position as Tifa lies.)

    Tifa
    "Cloud... Did you... see it all?"

    (There is a flash of white. One of the guards that accompanied Zack runs
    into the pod room. The camera pans wildly as he glances in horror around
    the room.)

    Cloud
    "I saw...... everything......"


    (The guard dashes up the stairs to where Zack lies atop the pod. He grabs
    Zack's sword and, laying it across his back, dashes up the stairs. Inside
    Jenova's room, he rushes up to Sephiroth. Sephiroth turns just in time to
    stabbed through the stomach by the guard.)

    "Mom... Tifa... my town... give it back..."

    Sephiroth
    "Aaarrrgh...... who... who are you?"

    (The guard pulls his sword from Sephiroth's body. Sephiroth kneels down,
    clutching his stomach. The guard slowly backs away, shaking his head.)

    "I had so much respect for you... I admired you..."

    (The camera pans down to show the guard, facing away from Sephiroth and
    looking down at the floor, breathing heavily.)

    Tifa
    "Cloud!?"

    (The guard removes his helmet. It is Cloud.)

    Tifa
    "That's what happened..."

    (The scene fades in to the Mako fountain in the Nibel mountains. Zack
    stands in place of Cloud. Tifa walks toward the fountain, while the guard
    looks on.)

    Tifa
    "You were there."
    "You were watching me."

    (The scene shifts to the Mako reactor in the Nibel mountains. The guard
    blocks Tifa from entering the Mako Reactor.)

    Tifa
    "Yeah, I remember."

    (Tifa turns away, her hands on her hips.)

    Tifa
    "Hmm... so it was you."

    (The scene fades to black.)

    Zack
    "Hey, Cloud. If you're feeling sick, why don't you take that mask
    off?"

    Cloud
    "Yeah..."

    (The scene fades in. We are on the truck carrying Zack and Sephiroth in
    search of their monster. The carsick guard is Cloud.)

    Cloud
    "Yeah... this is... me."
    "I... never made it as a member of SOLDIER."









    (The radio emits a blare of static, then emits a voice.)

    "All Shinra Submarine Units, do you read...?"
    "...All Shinra Submarine Units, do you read...?"

    Cloud
    "Hmm...? ...Must be from Shinra."

    "...Report, No. 2..."

    Tifa
    "No. 2..."
    "...I saw that written at the dock! They must mean this sub."

    Cloud
    "All right, I'll do it."

    (He picks up the radio.)

    Cloud
    "This is Shinra No. 2... Everything's normal."

    "...Roger..."
    "...Your next mission is..."
    "...Return to Junon Dock..."
    "...We will transport the Huge Materia from the airport..."
    "...Those without other assignments will report for guard

    duty..."
    "That is all. Over and out..."

    Cloud
    "Junon Airport... We should make it if we hurry."
    "Forget about the Huge Materia for now."
    "We're climbing!"

    Cid
    "The airport? No sweat!"










    Cloud
    "Hey, Cid! What're you doing!?"

    (Cid turns to him.)

    Cloud
    "There are generations of knowledge and wisdom inside the
    Materia."
    "We're gonna borrow their powers and save the planet from
    Sephiroth."
    "There's no way that we can lose the Huge Materia. You
    understand that, right?"

    (Cid shakes his head.)

    Cid
    "Yeah, I understand. I understand that Materia is precious, and I
    also understand what you're thinking."
    "But listen."
    "I don't give a rat's ass whether it's science or magical power."

    (He nods)

    Cid
    "No. I guess if I had to choose, I'd rather put my money on the
    power of science."
    "Humans who used to only roam around on the ground are able to
    fly now!"
    "And finally, we're about to go into outer space."
    "Science is a "Power" created and developed by humans. And
    science just might be what saves this planet."

    (He raises a fist.)

    Cid
    "I was able to earn my living thanks to science. So to me,
    there's nothing greater!"

    (He lowers it.)

    Cid
    "Now quit your worrying 'bout what Shinra's gonna do!"
    "I don't want to regret not having done something later."

    (Cloud reaches toward him.)

    Cloud
    "But, Cid......"

    (Cid angrily pushes him away.)

    Cid
    "Shut the hell up!! I don't wanna hear it!!"







    Cid
    "What's it?"

    Cloud
    "We don't know about it."
    "What did Aerith know?"
    "Why did she face Sephiroth without running away?"

    Red XIII
    "I see... She returned there once again, correct?"

    Bugenhagen
    "Hmmm. Perhaps I'll have you take me there."

    Red XIII
    "You're going too?"

    Bugenhagen
    "What's so surprising about that...?"
    "Even I want to get out from time to time and see the outside
    world. I wonder what did it? I haven't felt like this in ages."

    (Red XIII turns to him)

    Red XIII
    "It must be the planet. The planet is calling you!"

    Cid
    "Yeah, hoo boy, the planet calling... right."

    (Cid walks out. Bugenhagen bounces happily)

    Bugenhagen
    "Ho Ho Hoooo. Then let's go."

    (They all leave except Cloud and Bugenhagen.)

    Cloud
    "Oh yeah, Bugenhagen. I have one more thing I want to ask you."
    "We're carrying around Huge Materia. This is pretty delicate
    stuff and we would like to keep it in a safe place..."











    Cloud
    "So this note points to where the key is?"

    (Bugenhagen floats higher.)

    Bugenhagen
    "Probably..."
    "Use these words as clues and go find the key."
    "I'll continue to figure out the Ancient's writing."

    (Cloud turns and looks up at him)

    Cloud
    "A place (Even sunlight won't reach) is where the (key) is,
    right?"

    (Bugenhagen turns)

    Bugenhagen
    "When you find the key, or when you can't go any further, come
    back here."
    "Maybe I'll understand more from the writing and get some new
    information for you."

    (Cloud nods. He sets off in search of the key.)










    Cait Sith
    "Forget about that......... the CANNON! We've got to get to
    Midgar! That's the first thing!!"

    Cloud
    "Must stop Hojo... first."

    (The scene fades back to the Shinra board room. Reeve, Heidegger, and
    Scarlet stand at the end of the long table. Reeve turns to Heidegger.)












    Cloud
    "None of that matters... just stop this nonsense!"

    Hojo
    "...nonsense?"
    "Oh, this?"

    (He finally turns to look at Cloud.)

    Hojo
    "Ha, ha, ha..."
    "Sephiroth seems to be counting on the energy."
    "So I'm going to lend him a hand."

    Cloud
    "Why!? Why do that!?"

    Hojo
    "Quit asking me why, you moron."

    (He walks up to look Cloud in the eye.)

    Hojo
    "Hmm... actually, you might be cut out to be a scientist."

    (He turns back to the panel.)

    Hojo
    "Energy level is at...... 83%. It's taking too long."

    (He resumes his button-pressing.)

    Hojo
    "My son is in need of power and help. ...That's the only reason."

    Cloud
    "...your son?"

    Hojo
    "Ha, ha, ha... Although he doesn't know."

    (He begins to laugh so hard he has to stop working.)

    Hojo
    "Ha, ha, ha... HA, HA, HA...!!"
    "What will Sephiroth think when he finds out that I'm his

    father?"
    "Always looking down on me like that."
    "HA, HA, HA...!!"

    Cloud
    "Sephiroth is your son!?"

    (Hojo resumes his work once more.)

    Hojo
    "Ha, ha, ha..."
    "I offered the woman with my child to Professor Gast's Jenova
    Project."
    "When Sephiroth was still in the womb, we took the cells of
    Jenova..."
    "HA, HA, HA!!"

    Cloud
    "I can't believe you're the one who did this..."
    "The illusionary crime against Sephiroth..."













    (A pause. She looks up and straightens her hair with one hand.)

    Tifa
    "But... I'm sure someday... they'll come back, don't you think?"

    (He crosses his arms)

    Cloud
    "Hmm... I wonder...?"
    "Everyone has an irreplaceable something they're holding on

    to..."
    "But this time, our opponent..."

    (A long pause. The sound of the wind fades. Tifa nods)

    Tifa
    "Hmm... But that's all right, even if no one comes back."
    "As long as I'm with you... As long as you're by my side... I
    won't give up even if I'm scared."

    (He uncrosses his arms and looks at Tifa.)

    Cloud
    "...... Tifa......"

    (She moves her arms behind her.)

    Tifa
    "No matter how close we are... We were far apart... before this."
    "But when we were in the Lifestream surrounded by all those
    screams of anguish, I thought I heard your voice..."

    (She closes her eyes, crying softly. Her arms fall to her sides and she
    bows her head.)

    Tifa
    "...sniff... you probably don't remember this..."
    "But deep in my heart I heard you calling my name... Or at least
    I thought I did..."

    (Cloud looks away and puts a hand to his face)

    Cloud
    "Yeah... At that time I heard you calling me."
    "You were calling me back in from the stream of consciousness in
    the Lifestream."

    (He lowers his hand. He nods)

    Cloud
    "After all, I promised. That if anything were to ever happen to
    you, I would come to help."

    (Tifa opens her eyes and looks up.)

    Tifa
    "Cloud...? Do you think the stars can hear us?"

    (She gazes off to one side)

    Tifa
    "Do you think they see how hard we're fighting for them?"

    (Cloud looks up at the sky.)

    Cloud
    "I dunno... But..."
    "Whether they are or not, we still have to do what we can. And
    believe in ourselves..."
    "Someday we'll find the answer. Right, Tifa?"
    "That's what I learned from you when I was in the Lifestream."

    (She nods)

    Tifa
    "Yeah...... that's right..."

    (Cloud stares off into the distance. He turns away from her slightly and
    lowers his head.)

    Cloud
    "Hey, Tifa...... I...... There are a lot of things I wanted to
    talk to you about."

    (He shakes his head slowly.)

    Cloud
    "But now that we're together like this, I don't know what I
    really wanted to say..."
    "I guess nothing's changed at all... Kind of makes you want to
    laugh..."

    (Tifa shakes her head)

    Tifa
    "Cloud... Words aren't the only thing that tell people what
    you're thinking..."

    (Cloud looks at her. She continues to stare past the player, into space.
    She straightens her hair again with one hand.)

    Cloud
    "............"

    (She closes her eyes. The camera pans up, past her, to the sky, as the
    scene fades to black.)










    Cloud
    "All right, everyone, let's mosey."

    Cid
    "Damn! Again!"
    "Stop sayin' it like a wimp!"
    "Can't you say 'Move out!' or somethin'?"

    (Cloud rubs the back of his head, then vehemently gestures with his fist.)

    Cloud
    "Move out!!"

    (The sound of roaring monsters comes from above.)

    Barret
    "What?"

    (The party looks skyward)

    Red XIII
    "Look at the number..."

    (They assume fighting stances.)

    Cid
    "%#@^! They're comin' out in force!"

    Barret
    "Cloud! You go first!"

    (Cloud shakes his head quickly)

    Cloud
    "I'm fighting here too."












    Cloud
    "...there..."
    "It's...... there..."

    Tifa
    "Cloud...?"

    (Again.)

    Cloud
    "...Holy...... Holy... is there......"
    "The Holy is shining...... Aerith's prayer is shining......!"

    Tifa
    "Holy...... Aerith......"

    (Again.)

    Cloud
    "It's not over yet...... This isn't the
    end yet!!"










    Cloud
    "All right, everyone."
    "It's no use thinking about it."
    "We'll leave all our worries here."

    (He raises one fist.)

    Cloud
    "Let's go home proud."

    (He lowers it. The others all rise wearily and begin to trudge back to the
    exit of the crater. Cloud and Tifa walk together for a few steps when the
    screen flashes white. Cloud stops in his tracks. Tifa turns.)

    Tifa
    "What happened?"

    (He lowers his head.)

    Cloud
    "......I feel it..."

    Tifa
    "What......"

    (The screen goes white, longer this time, with the sound of rushing wind.
    Cloud shakes his head.)

    Cloud
    "He is still...... here."

    (Again. Cloud falls to the ground, clutching his head, and we see Cloud's
    double, white and ghostlike, fall with him.)

    Cloud
    "Still......"

    (The screen goes white.)

    Tifa
    "Cloud!?"

    (It fades. Cloud is in tremors, still tightly clutching his head.)

    Cloud
    "He's... laughing..."

    (Cloud's double removes from his body and spins off into the distance. The
    screen goes white once more.)

    Tifa
    "Cloud!"

    (The scene fades to black.)

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    I agree with SLI.

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    Cloud is such a bottom.

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    Cloud Strife: have to agree with SLI
    Barret Wallace: SLE
    Tifa Lockhart: IEX... some NF
    Aerith Gainsborough: IEI
    Cid Highwind: EIE or SLE or something
    Yuffie Kisaragi: SEE
    Zack Fair: SEE
    Sephiroth: EIE
    Rufus Shinra: XIE

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    My thoughts were:

    Cloud: SLE-Ti 3w4 sx/so
    Aeris: EIE-Fe 7w6 so/sx
    Tifa: IEI-Fe 6w7 so/sx
    Barret: EIE-Fe 8w7 sx/so
    Vincent: ILI-Ni 4w5 sx/sp
    Yuffie: SEE-Se 7w6 so/sp
    Cid: SLE-Se 7w8 sx/so
    Rufus: LIE-Ni 8w7 so/sp
    Sephiroth: IEI-Ni 4w3 sx/so
    Red XIII: LII-Ti 9w8 so/sx

    There is a lot open to interpretation, admittedly. The things I am 100% certain of:

    Cloud: ST 3w4 sx
    Barret: Aristocratic EJ 8w7 sx/so
    Tifa: XEI 6w7
    Aeris: 7w6, ENFx
    Cid: SLE-Se 7w8 sx/so
    Red XII: LII-Ti 9 so
    Vincent: Ni dominant, 4w5 sx/sp
    Yuffie: Democratic EP, 7w6
    Sephiroth: Beta NF 4w3 sx
    Rufus: XIE 8w7 so/sp
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    That whole game gives off a beta vibe to me. Him as Delta doesn't fit with the spirit of the game. SLE makes sense. Him making Si charactistic comments about Midgar don't really show anything. Midgar is a shithole. The whole planet is a shithole. I always thought Midgar represented how Betas look onto society and the world in general.
    INTp

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedrat360 View Post
    That whole game gives off a beta vibe to me. Him as Delta doesn't fit with the spirit of the game. SLE makes sense. Him making Si charactistic comments about Midgar don't really show anything. Midgar is a shithole. The whole planet is a shithole. I always thought Midgar represented how Betas look onto society and the world in general.
    Yup. Underdog mentality ftw. FFVII is, IMO, a good example of quadra regression: the most obvious bad guys on a small scale are Gammas (the "misguided" ones), the main conflict is an Ni-IEI (being an Se/Ni sub irrational, he represents the first step after Gamma in regression; it's "result," if you will), the main heroes of the game are primarily Beta archetypes (tightly-knit, small-group anti-government radicals, a mercenary loner with ambitions/delusions of belonging to an elite group, the last member of an extinct race), primarily on the Ti/Fe axis that is being "regressed" towards, and the characters who represent "the world as it should be" are Alphas (Red XIII, possibly Tifa, Aeris's mother [ESE-Si IMO], Bugenhagen,). Delta archetypes barely play a background role.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Interesting. Any analysis for FFIX?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanks Arthur View Post
    Interesting. Any analysis for FFIX?
    I think I made a thread on it recently, actually. If I can find it I'll bump.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Ok I didn't. I'll make one now.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Ok I didn't. I'll make one now.
    CRITICAL GILLY SUCCESS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    My thoughts were:

    Cloud: SLE-Ti 3w4 sx/so
    Aeris: EIE-Fe 7w6 so/sx
    Tifa: IEI-Fe 6w7 so/sx
    Barret: EIE-Fe 8w7 sx/so
    Vincent: ILI-Ni 4w5 sx/sp
    Yuffie: SEE-Se 7w6 so/sp
    Cid: SLE-Se 7w8 sx/so
    Rufus: LIE-Ni 8w7 so/sp
    Sephiroth: IEI-Ni 4w3 sx/so
    Red XIII: LII-Ti 9w8 so/sx

    There is a lot open to interpretation, admittedly. The things I am 100% certain of:

    Cloud: ST 3w4 sx
    Barret: Aristocratic EJ 8w7 sx/so
    Tifa: XEI 6w7
    Aeris: 7w6, ENFx
    Cid: SLE-Se 7w8 sx/so
    Red XII: LII-Ti 9 so
    Vincent: Ni dominant, 4w5 sx/sp
    Yuffie: Democratic EP, 7w6
    Sephiroth: Beta NF 4w3 sx
    Rufus: XIE 8w7 so/sp
    cool, your thoughts are mostly similar to mine... i can agree with your typings of IXI for Vincent and and LII for Red XIII (i figured he's some INXx in any case)

    and about Rufus, you know another fictional character he reminds me of, is Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias from Watchmen, another XIE. i'm not confident on which Ni creative type they are, but i kind of lean towards LIE for both of them.

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    I can see cloud being SLE

    But I see SLE E3s as very different from him. They are much more ... begging for Fe.

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    I have a question. I've always wanted to understand what people are talking about when they talk Final Fantasy. Is there a movie somewhere that like summarizes this shit? Cuz everytime I think I have to play the whole entire game to know this stuff, I get discouraged. Also, how many Final Fantasies are there? How do you keep track of all the characters in your mind? I want to understand it but seems so complicated lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    I have a question. I've always wanted to understand what people are talking about when they talk Final Fantasy. Is there a movie somewhere that like summarizes this shit? Cuz everytime I think I have to play the whole entire game to know this stuff, I get discouraged. Also, how many Final Fantasies are there? How do you keep track of all the characters in your mind? I want to understand it but seems so complicated lol.
    EPs just don't really have the patience for this shit, no matter how awesome it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    hey nerds, there's a thread with a GIRL in it but here you all are talking about video games instead

    wtf@you
    I can't tell if this is a reflexive joke or if your serious. And it's wonderful because of it.

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    imo ENFj should be considered for Barret. Despite his rough exterior he is actually quite a whiny character.

    All characters are too fictional to type anyway, though.

    edit: ah, seems like others type him as such aswell.

    I also think Cid is ESFp. (he has the "going all out" thing that I associate with Positive/Process EP types, as opposed to the calm manouverability of Negative/Result EPs such as ESTp)

    He also expresses himself honestly rather than pragmatically.
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    Cloud is an enneagram nine in Advent Children.

    In FF7, he starts off like a three (and it is safe to say he was a three at this point). But after his failure to reach his dream of becoming great (drowned in Hojo's experiment), he loses his passion and personality (and avoids this by creating a new one of thinking he is Zack, like a nine might because it is more pleasant). He later puts on the narcissistic facade that a three might, but when he starts learning more about his past and comes to terms with the problems he disregarded he becomes much more like an unhealthy nine. A nine would have a tendency to hide their problems and create persona's to deal with the world and avoid their problems. He has to reorganize and sort out what his problems are after being put into the life-stream. And he can't figure out what parts are really him or a facade and genuinely needs help from Tifa. His whole motivation from then on is to come to peace with everything and find a real self.

    Enneagram is interesting, isn't it? It seems to describe psychological pathologies. The enneagram seems to be more of a cause and effect thing. If you encounter [insert causality of event(s)] you become enneagram [insert number].

    Could it then be said that Jungian Theories are tendencies, but enneagram is the result of how those tendencies have been reinforced and attacked?

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    No, he's just disintegrated. I think that's pretty obvious; he is cold and removed, isolating himself and numbing his true feelings while hiding true self from others, just like a disintegrated 3. Also in the end, he still fills the role of "the one they can count on," which is sort of classic 3 integration to 6.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    imo ENFj should be considered for Barret. Despite his rough exterior he is actually quite a whiny character.
    Yeah, IMO he is EIE-Fe 8w9 sx/so.

    I also think Cid is ESFp. (he has the "going all out" thing that I associate with Positive/Process EP types, as opposed to the calm manouverability of Negative/Result EPs such as ESTp)

    He also expresses himself honestly rather than pragmatically.
    Yeah, actually these are all good points. SEE was actually my initial typing of him a while back. Also Shera is probably ILI-Te 6w5 sp/sx.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    No, he's just disintegrated. I think that's pretty obvious; he is cold and removed, isolating himself and numbing his true feelings while hiding true self from others, just like a disintegrated 3. Also in the end, he still fills the role of "the one they can count on," which is sort of classic 3 integration to 6.
    Oh okay. I'm not too familiar with the enneagram so I'll take your word for it.

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    haha I get so weird with video games/fantasy stuff. On the other hand, when I'm like excited and in the mood - I'm all 'omg this is so cool and fun' you know, it's like pure crack for me, or something. I can get really into it. Then I get burnt out and so bored. And then I'm all 'god this is so retarded and adolescentile. Nobody can shoot spells out of their hands in real life and shit, this is turning everybody into a mushy pussy. then I feel so chastened for allowing myself to get that geeky.

    what I liked about buffy was that magic was very slow and natural, there was casters and they had powers but it was pretty subtle, if you got too overboard you got tons of negative consequences. Also, nothing was 'removed from the real world' until later seasons, which were suckier not because they were dark, but because they abandoned the physical contexts. But still, that felt *too* deliberate and planned. Shit wasn't natural enough or something. I'm trying to rework the good stuff in buffy in my comic, but try to have more natural progression.

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