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    Marcus Aurelius, Emperor of Rome 161-180, and author of the Meditations




    Severus Alexander, Emperor of Rome 222-235




    Louis XVI, King of France (the one who was guillotined in 1793)




    Nicholas II, last Tsar of Russia (if you discount his brother who "reigned" for one day etc)





    Romano Prodi, Italian Prime Minister, and former President of the European Commission

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    Jeremy Irons





    The current Dalai Lama

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    Marilyn Monroe

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    i can see Prodi...although not 100% sure. I very much doubt Monroe - i'd suggest isfj for her instead.

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    maybe Lama too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Marilyn Monroe

    I think she is ENFp.

    The Dalai Lama is probably ENFp too.

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    why ENFp for monroe over INFj?

    i actually hadn't considered INFj, but i could see it.
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    I think ENFp and ISFj are possibilities for Monroe. I prefer INFj.

    What I'm "sure" about is that she had in her ego. IMO she was more likely to focus on than and had an air of Infantile about her, so I don't think ISFj is very likely. She wasn't known as a strong-willed person, either.

    In MBTI she'd almost certainly be ENFP rather than INFJ, but in socionics I think INFj is more likely than ENFp.
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    i'm reconsidering monroe...leaning towards esfp..not excluding others

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    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    why ENFp for monroe over INFj?

    i actually hadn't considered INFj, but i could see it.

    To me she just seems to be more comfortable with all eyes on her and more attention seeking than the average INFj who tends in my opinion, to move away from the spotlight and avoid scandals like their life depended on it rather than towards it even if they are in show business as a career. She also reminds me very strongly of an EXFp who I know well.
    It is just a guess at her type though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    What I'm "sure" about is that she had in her ego. IMO she was more likely to focus on than and had an air of Infantile about her, so I don't think ISFj is very likely. She wasn't known as a strong-willed person, either.
    That is assuming her air of infantile was not just a put on to make her seem more vulnerable and feminine for her male audience.

    In MBTI she'd almost certainly be ENFP rather than INFJ, but in socionics I think INFj is more likely than ENFp.
    Why the switch?

    Also, what are you referring to when you make mention of "strong-willed" in this context? I have known quite a few ESFp who have tried to "bully" others to get their way but I do not know a lot of ESFps with a lot of personal discipline and self control though I suspect some must have it.
    Do you think that all/most ISFJs and ESFps possess strong will and that all INFjs lack it and in what ways do you think Monroe lacked this quality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megan
    That is assuming her air of infantile was not just a put on to make her seem more vulnerable and feminine for her male audience.
    I think it's a fair assumption. I don't think anyone who knew her personally ever suggested that she was a totally different person from her screen personality, in fact, I think her screen personality was a reflection of the real person. This is confirmed by Laurence Olivier in his memoirs.

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    Why the switch?
    *shrugs* I just think that standard MBTI criteria would say that her lack of planning and being always late for work are a sign of P, and that she was apparently "Extroverted" in those criteria.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megan
    Also, what are you referring to when you make mention of "strong-willed" in this context? I have known quite a few ESFp who have tried to "bully" others to get their way but I do not know a lot of ESFps with a lot of personal discipline and self control though I suspect some must have it.
    Do you think that all/most ISFJs and ESFps possess strong will and that all INFjs lack it and in what ways do you think Monroe lacked this quality?
    I refer precisely to being a bully in fashion. I think ISFjs deeply dislike being bullies but are more comfortable with resisting bullies, and with being "tough" on others if they feel the occasion requires it, than INFjs.

    This is clearly illustrated by the fact that ISFjs are the supervisors of the ESTps, while INFjs are their conflictors. ISFjs are not easily intimidated by the ESTp's pushiness. INFjs dislike it and prefer to avoid it.
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    VenomFangx….EII-Fi 3w4 so/sp

    a Christian 3w4 so/sp version of Sol:



    as would be expected by conflict relations....this SLE-Ti 1w9 so/sp woman is not a fan.



    some more key evidence for 3w4:





    the 3w4 so/sp territory is now fully merged with socionics.

    https://stackemup.livejournal.com/4180.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kill4Me View Post
    Therefore, they don't have socionics types.
    They have the behavior which can be associated with some types. But can't be typed clearly and seriously as they have no types, their limitations and may behave outside of them.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    I think Steve Roach is EII. And Mulgrew Miller (though I can entertain IEE and SEI as well). Maybe somebody can prove me wrong.



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