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    Usually I keep my predictions to myself, in my head. But sometimes with someone I trust, I say what I think will happen. And usually I'm right. Even when I hope I'm not right. Sometimes I don't even admit to myself what I think is going to happen but it often plays out exactly as I know it will. Funny because I used to think this was just normal and that most people could do it but then when I started sharing my predictions, people would look surprised. And then when the prediction would come true, they'd think it was really weird that I knew ahead of time. lol

    what are other beta NF experiences with this?

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    My friend is an "intuitive" and she makes predictions all the time and is an INFp. She called me over for tea and started to tell me where she saw me in a the future. I started to feel the pain she was having and I asked her, "how was the wine last night; you seem to be in pain"; she was shocked and taken aback by my perception (I neither knew that she had wine, nor could you see that she was in discomfort). I felt the fermenting wine in her intestines, turning her bowels inside out ( sorry for the imagery). I told her it didn't work like hers, that my particular kind was more empathetic, more based on the very subtle things I feel in a person, things that are connected to their mood, feelings, their emotions or state of comfort. She found that very interesting. I like that she can make predictions for everyone I know in an instant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    My friend is an "intuitive" and she makes predictions all the time and is an INFp. She called me over for tea and started to tell me where she saw me in a the future. I started to feel the pain she was having and I asked her, "how was the wine last night; you seem to be in pain"; she was shocked and taken aback by my perception (I neither knew that she had wine, nor could you see that she was in discomfort). I felt the fermenting wine in her intestines, turning her bowels inside out ( sorry for the imagery). I told her it didn't work like hers, that my particular kind was more empathetic, more based on the very subtle things I feel in a person, things that are connected to their mood, feelings, their emotions or state of comfort. She found that very interesting. I like that she can make predictions for everyone I know in an instant.
    interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    Usually I keep my predictions to myself, in my head. But sometimes with someone I trust, I say what I think will happen. And usually I'm right. Even when I hope I'm not right. Sometimes I don't even admit to myself what I think is going to happen but it often plays out exactly as I know it will. Funny because I used to think this was just normal and that most people could do it but then when I started sharing my predictions, people would look surprised. And then when the prediction would come true, they'd think it was really weird that I knew ahead of time. lol

    what are other beta NF experiences with this?

    Great topic. I have thought about this before as i can also predict what's going to happen quite well. I realized that my conscious predictions are based on how well I know people. So for example if I have known a group of people for a year I have observed their intentons, how they get along, skill set and likes and dislikes. So if they are working on a task I know who is going to take the lead or not pull their weight and who will step in to fill the gap with a helpful nature. I think it's also connected to sensing peoples feelings. Based on this type of information I can predict if the task will get done successfully or not as long as I know the players involved. My instincts kick in when I don't know the people involved...I get a gut feel that tells me the outcome which is amazingly accurate. It's a useful trick as if you don't like where you see things going you can create your own butterfly effect. I hate it when someone is telling me something and I get that "bad intentions" vibe. Having to stand there, listen and smile when you know you're being fed a line.

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    When people would ask me questions I didn't knew answers to I would usually lie. I would get surprised when after a week or two I would find out that what I actually thought was a lie is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarinana View Post
    When people would ask me questions I didn't knew answers to I would usually lie. I would get surprised when after a week or two I would find out that what I actually thought was a lie is true.
    ENFJ female brain at its best. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    My friend is an "intuitive" and she makes predictions all the time and is an INFp.(...) I started to feel the pain she was having and I asked her, "how was the wine last night; you seem to be in pain"; she was shocked and taken aback by my perception (I neither knew that she had wine, nor could you see that she was in discomfort). I felt the fermenting wine in her intestines, turning her bowels inside out ( sorry for the imagery).
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    I've noticed I'm rather good at predicting things, people have even jokingly called my physic. What's even weirder is the fact that I tend to have dreams that will come true quite often. It creeps me out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    I've noticed I'm rather good at predicting things, people have even jokingly called my physic. What's even weirder is the fact that I tend to have dreams that will come true quite often. It creeps me out.
    I dreamed that I was going to have a baby boy and that he'd sleep in the pack-n-play next to our bed and it came true. He even looked the same as he did in my dream.

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    My girl just says "something bad'll happen"... normally after it's happened. Her explanation will be "I didn't know what was going to happen, just that something would!" Cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    My girl just says "something bad'll happen"... normally after it's happened. Her explanation will be "I didn't know what was going to happen, just that something would!" Cute.
    Yeah, that's called having Ni Role function.

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    INTp>INFp when it comes to predicting things. Although they both are Ni dominants aka quasi-psychics&prophets INTps are better at predicting things because they're negativists who focus on negativities and nothing but negativities, and we all know that future always brings negativities and nothing but negativities.

    OTOH, INFp>ENFj. Why? Because if ENFjs were so good at predicting the future as INFps are they wouldn't struggle so much to change the state of affairs. Look at INFps! They don't struggle at all. Yes, I know they're spineless, but anyway.

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    Okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    I've noticed I'm rather good at predicting things, people have even jokingly called my physic. What's even weirder is the fact that I tend to have dreams that will come true quite often. It creeps me out.
    Me too. I find it weird/unpleasant-ish. One time I had a dream about something I was going to post on this forum. I don't remember what it was, but I feel like I ended up posting it.

    Anyway, frequently I can see where something's going. Like I can almost always predict where an conversation is going, and when a plan is going to turn out badly. I think I tend to be wrong when I don't have enough info, which is why not being told things bothers me, because I have an expectation in my head based on the current data. On the other hand, this also often results in me being prepared for the moment when someone needs to provide a solution, and hopefully I've been working on said solution while people were working on the plan that's doomed to failure.

    If I share my predictions with people, it's usually in the form of complaining about how something's not going to work. Also I can usually predict where my own mind is going and thereby swerve. I think I talked about it on one of my blog entries, but then jrxtes replied and said that that might be a more general trait than I think, and not really correlated with Ni. Shrug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    If I share my predictions with people, it's usually in the form of complaining about how something's not going to work.
    there is nothing that bugs my ESE husband more than when I do this. He always insists I'm wrong and tells me I'm a negativist. But then when I'm right, he's annoyed.

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    people get pissed at me for that too.
    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
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    It's funny, a lot of the time I know what people are going to say right before they say it. And not even in that pedantic "I know where this is going" tone. Like today I called my friend at work an hour before he had told me he was getting off. I ask him, fully aware of redundency, when he's getting off and he says "I'm getting off..." and I said, "Now?" and he says "Wait...yeah, right now." I just knew...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    people get pissed at me for that too.
    Why? That's nothing but useful.

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    I was having an interesting discussion some time ago with an ILI. The topic was the fundamental difference between how we behave when we "visualize" something. That is, how are intuition guides us.

    The main thing we concluded, which I associate very much to the difference between Ne and Ni, is this:

    Ne, being extroveted and the aggressor (borrowed from 1981Slater), perceives an alternate mental, abstract, or conceptual state.

    Ni, being introverted and the caregiver, perceives what is the most natural mental, abstract, conceptal state.

    I think the clairvoyant nature of Introverted Intuition comes from the property described above. Ni sees a set of events and, from that set, intuits the outcome it most strongly feels is natural or inevitable.
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    I also can finish people's sentences for them often and am also good at guessing people's ages and sometimes other things (like once I guessed how much was in a giant jar of jelly beans), but I think my analytical skills aren't good, because of weak Ti and also, because of an excess of Se (too much booze etc.) and also, because the primary Ni intuition is so cryptic by nature that it's hard to quickly interpret it.

    I find INFP intuition to be more understanding than mine, less neurotic than me - I enjoy their humor and groundedness, but I also think they can be shortsighted and evil sometimes, too, and that their not posessing the willingness to go aall the way to help people as I am, but that's also why they don't have as many apparent problems as i do.

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    p.s. i'm also periodically shocked by an ESTPs acts of a lack of conscience, but pleased when they get more balanced and generally worn out by an ISTJs lack of boundaries (weak Ni and Ne, respecdtively).

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    I can predict people's behavior and emotional reactions, though not so much things related to objective reality.

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    I seem to be sensitive to dangerous areas than most. Ever since I was a little kid....I had a feeling if somebody was 'unsafe' or not, and I was usually right. Of course this intuition has negative effects. People have a tendency to think you're very weak, because you won't do a lot of stuff- but that's just because you're more aware of what that action will actually yield to everybody, and you have a better natural understanding how it just won't be worth it, it will just cause you pain with no reward. Sensors seem to have this intuition too, mind you, it's human and 'universal' but the key difference is, it seems to kick in 'later' for them, than it does us- when it might be too late. (but then again they also seem to be natural better fighters so really everything balances out in the end)

    (actually I'm not so sure of sensors being physically tougher either, I think intuition is actually genetically superior even though that probably goes against 'common sense' or something)

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