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    Default Sociology is nonsense.

    It is an example of Fe/Ti gone way too far. It exists for the sole purpose of making Te seem evil and uncaring by appealing to emotional sentiments and trying to sound scientific by creating Ti systems of definitions.

    It functions by pinpointing things in society that it deems "mean," and then demonizing said things by zooming way out and attacking it from a macro-level perspective. It gathers individuals into arbitrary groups, and then accuses the more powerful group of "exploiting" the less powerful group, despite the fact that there is no collusion within the powerful group to exploit anyone and that its power stems from its individuals making independent decisions on their own.

    It is nothing more than the concerted effort of jealous, worthless little people trying to institutionally oppress anyone whom they do not like, as if the remedy for perceived, illusionary oppression were to create real government oppression.

    It is the science of evil. Fe/Ti people should use their powers to enforce and defend the Te free market, not attack it from a social angle with their own lack of understanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    Sociology
    Fuck you. I regard you as evil for saying that.

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    Dear Discojoe, read my story below, try to understand it, it might help you avoid the mistakes I made, mistakes that made me waste 20 years of my life.

    In high school I made straight A's for subjects like history and geography, but in those days (first half of the 80ties), I allowed myself to be influenced by the anti-leftist sentiment of the day, and decided to focus on science subjects (physics, mathematics, biology and chemistry), so I could go to polytechnic and have a career that made money. (ETA: my grades with these subjects were barely sufficient to get me in uni, and in fact, wouldn't get me in polytechnic today).

    In 1987, at age 21, after two years of fruitless study at the dept. of Civil Engineering at the University of Delft, I was kicked out for a lack of result. The student counselor sent me to an organization that tested student for vocational advise, and the results were that I'd better study sociology, political science or political administration At the time, I was very much under the influence of libertarian ideas, mainly those of Ayn Rand, and against these 'leftist pussy' social sciences, with an attitude very similar to what you have written above here. I decided to ignore the advise, and try Business Administration instead. After one year that didn't turn out successful either, I started to work for a living, and between age 23 and age 40, I hopped from one job to another, sometimes making a lot of money, but never really making a career. Finally, around 2005/2006 I broke down and went in therapy, which in total lasted just over three years. One of the many things I struggled with, was how to make sense of my life and how to give it meaning and purpose. It was not until last February that I bought an introductory book on sociology, which I read in one go. When I was finished reading it, I burst into tears, because I realized my stupid mistakes which made me waste so many precious years (tears are streaming from my eyes as I'm writing this right now), years I could have spent doing things that were closer to the heart for me, wasted because I had stupidly convinced myself of many bullshit ideas (there's reasons for that too, but they are not important for this discussion).

    I myself have decided, at age 44, to correct an error I shouldn't have made in the first place: I am going to study sociology next year, in fact, I have already begun reading sociology books, even though I realize I will probably not have a career in sociology like people who started studying it at age 20. And what I found out is that people like Karl Marx, despite their gross errors and unrealistic solutions, in fact did have original insights that had impact on the world and made it a bit of a better place. If you really take the time to learn about sociology, you will not only learn that many sociologists of stature (De Tocqueville, Comte, Marx, Spencer, Durkheim etc.) have provided pieces of the puzzle, but also that all these ideas fits nicely into socionic types, e,g, they can be explained as rationalizations of quadra values. From the perspective of Socionics alone, classical sociologist are interesting to read about. If you're interested, I'd warmly recommend this title to you: Amazon.com: Classical Sociological Theory (9780078026652): George… (an older 2nd hand version will also do).

    I would like to give you the following recommendation: don't be the idiot I was and waste years of your life. Be open (but critical) to anything you right now have biased opinions about. However, if you want to hang on to your current ideas about sociology, that is, of course, your prerogative, and I will have no hard feelings, and I hope life will work out for you anyway.
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    I always considered sociology a bridge between economics and psychology.

    (in the grand hierarchy of disciplines being: [still being perfected, of course]
    Logic -> Math -> Physics -> Chemistry -> Biology -> Psychology -> Sociology -> Economics)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewZ View Post
    Socionics -> Logic -> Math -> Physics -> Chemistry -> Biology -> Psychology -> Sociology -> Economics
    Fixed.
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    Uh no it doesn't. That's an interesting neurotic insight that....you would have. But I never viewed sociology in that light. Not that I'm an advocate for it or anything. And what an incredibly convoluted way of saying that 'I think sociology is for hippies who need to get jobs.' Why can't you just say that?

    Ever since Ashton got here you guys have been acting weird. I'm not saying it's his fault, but this place has gone pretty downhill. Do you just guys hang on tinychat all day and rant about what you don't like about the world or what? Man, isn't that tiring? I'm just saying. I had to break away from this group because there just wasn't any connection whatsoever anymore.

    It is nothing more than the concerted effort of jealous, worthless little people trying to institutionally oppress anyone whom they do not like, as if the remedy for perceived, illusionary oppression were to create real government oppression.
    lol the only person I see making an issue of anything here is you. You're awfully sensitive over things that wouldn't bother me in the least. It's bizarre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewZ View Post

    (in the grand hierarchy of disciplines being: [still being perfected, of course]
    Logic -> Math -> Physics -> Chemistry -> Biology -> Psychology -> Sociology -> Economics)
    If this is from 'exact' to 'complex' then Sociology comes last, it's most complex. And somewhere between math and chemistry needs to be astronomy. I don't know why, but that's how I learned it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    Dear Discojoe, read my story below, try to understand it, it might help you avoid the mistakes I made, mistakes that made me waste 20 years of my life.

    In high school I made straight A's for subjects like history and geography, but in those days (first half of the 80ties), I allowed myself to be influenced by the anti-leftist sentiment of the day, and decided to focus on science subjects (physics, mathematics, biology and chemistry), so I could go to polytechnic and have a career that made money. (ETA: my grades with these subjects were barely sufficient to get me in uni, and in fact, wouldn't get me in polytechnic today).

    In 1987, at age 21, after two years of fruitless study at the dept. of Civil Engineering at the University of Delft, I was kicked out for a lack of result. The student counselor sent me to an organization that tested student for vocational advise, and the results were that I'd better study sociology, political science or political administration At the time, I was very much under the influence of libertarian ideas, mainly those of Ayn Rand, and against these 'leftist pussy' social sciences, with an attitude very similar to what you have written above here. I decided to ignore the advise, and try Business Administration instead. After one year that didn't turn out successful either, I started to work for a living, and between age 23 and age 40, I hopped from one job to another, sometimes making a lot of money, but never really making a career. Finally, around 2005/2006 I broke down and went in therapy, which in total lasted just over three years. One of the many things I struggled with, was how to make sense of my life and how to give it meaning and purpose. It was not until last February that I bought an introductory book on sociology, which I read in one go. When I was finished reading it, I burst into tears, because I realized my stupid mistakes which made me waste so many precious years (tears are streaming from my eyes as I'm writing this right now), years I could have spent doing things that were closer to the heart for me, wasted because I had stupidly convinced myself of many bullshit ideas (there's reasons for that too, but they are not important for this discussion).

    I myself have decided, at age 44, to correct an error I shouldn't have made in the first place: I am going to study sociology next year, in fact, I have already begun reading sociology books, even though I realize I will probably not have a career in sociology like people who started studying it at age 20. And what I found out is that people like Karl Marx, despite their gross errors and unrealistic solutions, in fact did have original insights that had impact on the world and made it a bit of a better place. If you really take the time to learn about sociology, you will not only learn that many sociologists of stature (De Tocqueville, Comte, Marx, Spencer, Durkheim etc.) have provided pieces of the puzzle, but also that all these ideas fits nicely into socionic types, e,g, they can be explained as rationalizations of quadra values. From the perspective of Socionics alone, classical sociologist are interesting to read about. If you're interested, I'd warmly recommend this title to you: Amazon.com: Classical Sociological Theory (9780078026652): George… (an older 2nd hand version will also do).

    I would like to give you the following recommendation: don't be the idiot I was and waste years of your life. Be open (but critical) to anything you right now have biased opinions about. However, if you want to hang on to your current ideas about sociology, that is, of course, your prerogative, and I will have no hard feelings, and I hope life will work out for you anyway.
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    Uh no it doesn't. That's an interesting neurotic insight that....you would have. But I never viewed sociology in that light. Not that I'm an advocate for it or anything. And what an incredibly convoluted way of saying that 'I think sociology is for hippies who need to get jobs.' Why can't you just say that?

    Ever since Ashton got here you guys have been acting weird. I'm not saying it's his fault, but this place has gone pretty downhill. Do you just guys hang on tinychat all day and rant about what you don't like about the world or what? Man, isn't that tiring? I'm just saying. I had to break away from this group because there just wasn't any connection whatsoever anymore.



    lol the only person I see making an issue of anything here is you. You're awfully sensitive over things that wouldn't bother me in the least. It's bizarre.
    Not one single thing you said makes any logical sense. You are a failure.

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    Sociology is a suggestion about how we should sculpt our future just as history is a lesson about what not to mold our future into. Some are more willing to accept it and let it guide them into the future, whereas others are not.

    From my observations, SLEs are the most against anything viewed as a socialistic concept than any other type. Just something to think about.

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    Yeah, Ashton doesn't condone what state capitalists say. I mean, they're not totally wrong, but they ain't totally right either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    (in the grand hierarchy of disciplines being: [still being perfected, of course]
    Poetry -> Logic -> Math -> Physics -> Chemistry -> Biology -> Psychology -> Sociology -> Economics)
    Fixed.
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    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Refixed.
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    To avoid wasting time uselessly again, learn to tell apart people with a decent level of intelligence.
    It would've also been wise to determine DJ as someone who doesn't have the potential to beat himself up over missing the chance to dedicate himself to something such as sociology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    It is an example of Fe/Ti gone way too far. It exists for the sole purpose of making Te seem evil and uncaring by appealing to emotional sentiments and trying to sound scientific by creating Ti systems of definitions.

    It functions by pinpointing things in society that it deems "mean," and then demonizing said things by zooming way out and attacking it from a macro-level perspective. It gathers individuals into arbitrary groups, and then accuses the more powerful group of "exploiting" the less powerful group, despite the fact that there is no collusion within the powerful group to exploit anyone and that its power stems from its individuals making independent decisions on their own.

    It is nothing more than the concerted effort of jealous, worthless little people trying to institutionally oppress anyone whom they do not like, as if the remedy for perceived, illusionary oppression were to create real government oppression.

    It is the science of evil. Fe/Ti people should use their powers to enforce and defend the Te free market, not attack it from a social angle with their own lack of understanding.
    It's not really sociology as much as it is people who study sociology that have an agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    It's not really sociology as much as it is people who study sociology that have an agenda.
    Yeah, that's true.

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    You can find sociology concepts of every political spectrum. Sociology is just the study of the network of human interactions. You get these professors with an agenda that turn it into some orgy of idiotic thinking. I once took a sociology class that spent 5 minutes talking about Herbert Spencer, and the next hour and a half talking about Karl Marx. Thats just the kind of shit thats often pulled.
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    The two sociology classes I took in college were probably the most influential and eye-opening of all the classes I have taken. The professor was a libertarian, (and I'm pretty sure an IEE). He never pitched a political agenda but tried to introduce students to ideas about society that we had never thought about before. At least 75% of the students I would assume were liberal/ left leaning, yet everybody loved this guy.

    Sociology ≠ Socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    Fuck you. I regard you as evil for saying that.
    lmao

    Silly discojoe and your rants and beliefs on things! But you have a point. I mean, when I was taking my sociology of families class they were all, "men and women seem to exhibit differing approaches to their role in parenthood, also HOLY SHIT FUCK THE FREE MARKET OMGWTFISUPWITHDATSHIT?!!uno!palabra?!" :wink:

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