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    A confirmation by Dr. Antonina Volkova PhD Sociology Rusia.

    PhD is Sociology or Psychology plus years of Socionics typing...lol

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    Someone who writes arcticles and has people adopt them. If you have a large number of people adopting articles, then the name behind them stands more professionally, and puts that person higher up on the studied material list.

    Something like what maritsa says, "A confirmation by Dr. Antonina Volkova PhD Sociology Rusia," doesn't really do anything for your validity. You need to actually know what you're talking about. There are plenty of people who don't go to school for a specific field, but who become professional at that field.

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    I would say that at least some degree of validation/acceptance from your professional peers would qualify you, or at least that is one of the necessary (but not necessarily sufficient, ha ha) conditions.

    Note that this allows for retroactive induction into the hallowed halls of socionists, much like poets' belated entrance into the canon, heralded (hallowed) and announced by later writers.
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    I would say that anyone who studies socionics is a socionist, in the same way that anyone who studies science is a scientist. Degrees and acknowledgement from your peers merely increase your standing and make you a "respected scientist" or "respected socionist".

    Of course, you could argue that amateurs and people who fundamentally misunderstand socionics aren't really socionists, but that's like arguing about who is a true patriot.
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    Yeah I agree with you Krig, for the most part, but my initial line was more in the realm of "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around, does it make a noise?"

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    I think Alexandre Boukalov is the final authority on who is a professional socionist. I asked Gulenko about certification and he referred me to him.

    It would make sense to approach Boukalov as a group rather than as an individual, if anyone is interested. I've still got a year and a half before I complete my psychology undergrad, but I'd like to get the degree simply because it will most likely boost my chances of getting into grad school. Plus I can write about my theories in the official journals.

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    Someone start a school!
    I think if we could all agree on what to look for in a VI, and interview videos that determines a type, then we could be more grounded. We just can't come to an agreement. So maybe we should start schools of socionics...lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Someone start a school!
    I will be sure to do that right after I finished building my chapel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    I think if we could all agree on what to look for in a VI, and interview videos that determines a type, then we could be more grounded. We just can't come to an agreement. So maybe we should start schools of socionics...lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd View Post
    I only have vague ideas. But what does it take? For clarification, there are socionists and there are enthusiasts, skeptics, and so forth.
    What makes one an enthusiast? And is it really any different from a socionicist?

    I think Krig's definition could apply to socionics enthusiast as well.


    What makes one a skeptic?
    For the record, many socionicists are also skeptics. It's not necessarily one who entirely disregards socionics although it can mean that. There are several schools of thought in socionics, and one can strongly believe in one school of thought but be highly skeptical of another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warrior-librarian View Post
    What makes one an enthusiast? And is it really any different from a socionicist?
    Yes. Ask my friend hitta.

    Oh wait, I forgot. Hitta is the exception to everything.

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    I would consider anyone who dares come up with their own ideas about Socionics a Socionist. Enthusiasts only use others' material, and skeptics don't really hold with the thing at all...



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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    I think Alexandre Boukalov is the final authority on who is a professional socionist. I asked Gulenko about certification and he referred me to him.

    It would make sense to approach Boukalov as a group rather than as an individual, if anyone is interested.
    What do you have to do for a certification? Pass some test in Russia or Ukraine or something? Whatever, if you, Tcaudillg, really get a certification from Boukalov then we know on what an embarassing level socionics is even there.

    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    I've still got a year and a half before I complete my psychology undergrad, but I'd like to get the degree simply because it will most likely boost my chances of getting into grad school. Plus I can write about my theories in the official journals.
    Please not. Please write some books about esotericism or whatever but just forget about socionics...

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    Things that make a Socionist include knowing a whole lot of absolutely nothing about what you are talking about, as well as a preposterous sense of reality and a warped view of human relations viewed through the lens of an anti-social personality with perhaps a touch of schizoidal tendencies.

    In conclusion, tcaud is the only real Socionist here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Yes. Ask my friend hitta.

    Oh wait, I forgot. Hitta is the exception to everything.
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    As far as I know, the training courses to get into some of the various schools last for months to a year and require you to understand classical socionics, the history of socionics and of all the various rejected models (including Kalinauskas, Model J (J is for Jung), etc) and possibly any new ideas or ideas put out by rival schools.

    You need to familiarize yourself with descriptions put out by the school and learn to type by watching interviews and things like that.

    That's the gist of what I got from reading the Russian forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    As far as I know, the training courses to get into some of the various schools last for months to a year and require you to understand classical socionics, the history of socionics and of all the various rejected models (including Kalinauskas, Model J (J is for Jung), etc) and possibly any new ideas or ideas put out by rival schools.

    You need to familiarize yourself with descriptions put out by the school and learn to type by watching interviews and things like that.


    That's the gist of what I got from reading the Russian forums.
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    There are also organized workshops you attend where people try to discuss their mental life in terms of socionics elements.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    Would learning Russian help? I may need to learn it anyway. Becoming a socionist is a bitchin' long term goal.
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    Ok, I guess I deserved that. Originally I was going to leave tcaud out of it anyway and just post what was there.

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    Did you mean Sorbonist?

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    You know you are a socionist when you have to ask that question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gambit View Post
    You know you are a socionist when you have to ask that question.
    Socionist was a term used in some socionics literature, especially in Rick's where there was supposed to be a difference between socionist and enthusiast. I really don't think either term is relevant to this community, but figured I'd ask, anyways, if we are at all going to use the term and to have it at least defined, if so.
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    Technically speaking, socionists are analytic psychologists who have committed themselves to the study of Model A. Analytic psychological training is the only thing the leading figures in the Ukrainian socionics community have in common.

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    Not.useful.to.society.

    ie. It doesnt exist because a large part of the definition is based on societal and cultural meaning. This is an unusual microculture. In the eyes of most, the closest title would be something akin to like "Temperament Advocate"

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    Years of practice and devotion to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Technically speaking, socionists are analytic psychologists who have committed themselves to the study of Model A. Analytic psychological training is the only thing the leading figures in the Ukrainian socionics community have in common.
    I agree. I've been reading The Journal of Analytic Psychology and I must say that there are many people who have made a successful career out of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae View Post
    Not.useful.to.society.

    ie. It doesnt exist because a large part of the definition is based on societal and cultural meaning. This is an unusual microculture. In the eyes of most, the closest title would be something akin to like "Temperament Advocate"
    Negativist. Judging something to be not useful again; pls refer to the comment I made above. You might want to regulate this activity and not come off as an LSE, because you don't want me to call you and LSE again because God forbid you should be my dual.
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    A socionicist can be a psychologist/philosopher/scientist/information scientists/engineer(these are the things that I find most similar to various parts of socionics) that knows socionics.

    Generally people will respect you for what you've done in life, whether it be academic or professional. I wouldn't practice socionics or type people for a living, although the training might help me in a professional environment. However I am very interest in the model and tying it to modern studies in the fields I've listed. In this fashion, the theory of socionics can achieve more validity and be easier to express to non-socionicists.

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    > what makes a socionist a socionist, anyways?

    should do:
    1) true theories
    2) abbility to correctly use them for practical use

    Niether 1 nor 2 have proof for anyone. There are no socionists by objectively reasons, but many by subjectively.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    > what makes a socionist a socionist, anyways?

    should do:
    1) true theories
    2) abbility to correctly use them for practical use

    Niether 1 nor 2 have proof for anyone. There are no socionists by objectively reasons, but many by subjectively.
    No, they don't have proof for you. Idiots who prefer naivete will never get the proof they desire. Even the neuroscience will ultimately prove insufficient, because the naive won't like the answer.

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    just been Affirmed as a Socionist by Dr. Sergei Phonimaninoff PhD Archaeology, Slough, and Professor of Nihilism Borisia Kornikova Esq., Norilsk.
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    The ability further understanding in the field of socionics and have your findings positively impact others AND they withstand the test of time. A good socionicist can even convice skeptics of the validity.
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