USSR

[Jimbean]

The problem with the United States right now is its people and our government. We used to be a highly productive country with the strongest, brightest people, but that has all changed in the last few decades. Today, most Americans are a bunch of slobs, many of which are devoid of basic knowledge. This is a short answer, but if you want a longer one, let me know.

Let me break this down a little bit better, and still this post will not do it justice.

1.) external influences

_____a.) chemical poisoning

_____b.) psychological poisoning

2.) internal influences

_____a.) decadence

1a: additives in food, water, and medicine mentally dumb people down here in the USA (and to a lesser extent in other countries), some of those additives also causes hormone imbalances; such as femininization of boys and men.

1b: People are made to subtlety think and believe almost the opposite of what America essentially used to be 30 years or longer ago. Propaganda is carefully slipped into television to get people to unconsciously attribute what is good or bad according to the powers that be.

2a: Life is too easy here, most people do not appreciate their ability to critically think or the fact that they live in a great country. The men here are lazy and preoccupied with football and the women think they are entitled to everything for no reason.

[Linas]

1a. is it for a reason?

1b. whatever what people think about America. propaganda - right, but it has it's roots back in 19th century.

2a. life too easy -- it's not that bad. what people are thinking it isn't that very important. like very very. yeah, they seem to be stupid. but it's like that everythere. it was pretty much the same back '50s, wasn't it?

[sarinana]

Why nobody creates a thread about America? This song would nicely fit there.

[Jimbean]

Why nobody creates a thread about America?

Done.

[sarinana]

Done.

Good. Now some mod should cut yours and linas discussion and put it into that thread. This forum is highly disorganized.

[Jimbean]

1a. is it for a reason?

yes

1b. whatever what people think about America. propaganda - right, but it has it's roots back in 19th century.

mmm, yeah, okay... sure

2a. life too easy -- it's not that bad. what people are thinking it isn't that very important. like very very. yeah, they seem to be stupid. but it's like that everythere. it was pretty much the same back '50s, wasn't it?

Have you ever been to the US?

[Jimbean]

Good. Now some mod should cut yours and linas discussion and put it into that thread. This forum is highly disorganized.

agreed.

[Linas]

JimBeam:

* For what reason ? It's kind of stupid, why the fuck would govt. would want their ppl to be stupid, like are they envying the possibility to be smart?
* Sure what? I watched a video saying that kids used to read good stuff back 19th c. in US, but the govt wanted to control the shit, so they started their dumbening program.
* No, I haven't. Ppl are pretty stupid and soulless here too.

[Absurd]

I thought that there had already been a lot of pressure within the Soviet Union that was leading to its demise throughout the 1980's.

It was already over in 1953.

[Jimbean]

JimBeam:

* For what reason ? It's kind of stupid, why the fuck would govt. would want their ppl to be stupid, like are they envying the possibility to be smart?

yes. People are more easily controlled when they are desperate for sex, money, and intelligence.

[Linas]

social engineering, ...

[Pa3s]

Besides all the justified criticism about the USSR, I think it also should be remarked that certain groups of the Revolutionaries did not fight for the dictatorship of the proletariat, but for council communism. Especially in the beginning of the Soviet Union. (Soviet = council) These people did not accept the authoritarian views of other Marxists or Leninists. Even if no bourgeois could take part in the council of workers, it would still have been much more democratic than what later became the Soviet Union.

[ArchonAlarion]

Besides all the justified criticism about the USSR, I think it also should be remarked that certain groups of the Revolutionaries did not fight for the dictatorship of the proletariat, but for council communism. Especially in the beginning of the Soviet Union. (Soviet = council) These people did not accept the authoritarian views of other Marxists or Leninists. Even if no bourgeois could take part in the council of workers, it would still have been much more democratic than what later became the Soviet Union.

The fact that no such worker's council has ever existed permanently is an indicator that is not sustainable system and/or that it is easily corruptible.

[Pa3s]

The fact that no such worker's council has ever existed permanently is an indicator that is not sustainable system and/or that it is easily corruptible.

You're right, it certainly could be a sign that it won't work for longer periods of time, but those councils were formed in very uncertain times, you know what I mean? Russia was going through the revolution, from the Czar to democracy (kind of, at the beginning!). The Bolsheviks, now having the whole power in their hands wanted more, so they forced the councils to break up. After Stalin came to power everything "democratic" was over, anyway. And in Germany's November revolution (after WWI) the people failed to integrate the councils into the constitution of the new German state. They set up the Weimar Republic as a result of connecting the ideas of the revolutionaries and the interests of the bourgeoisie.

[Capitalist Pig]

you are all wrong

[Pa3s]

you are all wrong

What do you mean exactly?