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    This brings a tear to my eye every time.




    Workers of the world unite! You have a world to gain and nothing to lose but your chains!
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    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
    --Theodore Roosevelt

    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbean View Post
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    Even their rickrolls are better.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
    --Theodore Roosevelt

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    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
    --Theodore Roosevelt

    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
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    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
    --Theodore Roosevelt

    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
    -- Mark Twain

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    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
    --Theodore Roosevelt

    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
    -- Mark Twain

    "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plynex View Post
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    The USSR national anthem is really good. I've forgot who wrote it but it was some good composer I think.

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    Here's the national anthem again with better audio quality


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    Lot more music like that here, and for free: Free music downloads: SKOMOROSHIJ BUNT/REVOLUTION OF CLOWNS - Jamendo

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    fuck you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarinana View Post
    Doesn't everyone know that the Societ Union was like this? This film is not surprising for me. Stalin was definitely the #2 dictator and mass murderer at that time. If Hitler didn't start the war I'm quite sure Stalin would have done it for communism (or rather Lenin's/Stalin's/Marx' idea of it). Then, maybe the Germans would have been allies to the rest of the world to fight against the Soviet Union... who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plynex View Post
    Doesn't everyone know that the Societ Union was like this?
    Apparently they don't get it.

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    I know all about it, I just like being irrational. People also love Ghengis Khan and nobody says anything about that.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    Apparently the rest of the world is still as ignorant as it was 80 years ago...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    I know all about it, I just like being irrational. People also love Ghengis Khan and nobody says anything about that.
    Ghengis Khan (12061227).

    You know those days were many men like Ghengis Khan. Can you name them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarinana View Post
    Ghengis Khan (12061227).

    You know those days were many men like Ghengis Khan. Can you name them?
    That's really not fair. You can still find abandoned ghost towns in places like Iran whose inhabitants were massacred by Mongols.

    Mongol invasions devastated many countries. Iraq, for example, still hasn't recovered to the level of wealth/culture/civilization it had before the Mongol invasion in 1258.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    That's really not fair. You can still find abandoned ghost towns in places like Iran whose inhabitants were massacred by Mongols.

    Mongol invasions devastated many countries. Iraq, for example, still hasn't recovered to the level of wealth/culture/civilization it had before the Mongol invasion in 1258.
    Well here in Lithuania or as some people like to say Russia we learn about Mongol invasions in 6th grade.
    These days Russians all have Mongol blood in them. Mongols used to be a really tricky nation and the real Russians used to be very smart. Quite a dangerous mix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    In terms of sheer body count and ruthless destruction, Stalin's reign far exceeded that of Hitler's and not just because Stalin was in power for a longer period of time. If evil could be quantified, Stalin would well deserve the place of #1.
    I've seen estimates that put Mao Zedong higher.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    shit, that's some great little history/politics talk.

    well, USA and their generals are also as evil as Hitler and Stalin.

    and Lithuania was fucked by Russia for more 200 yrs, and it's not like 50 yrs of occupation was 'it'. Lithuania was being degreded for many many yrs. There's pretty interesting history show broadcasted here on that whole thing. It's like the best damn thing I've seen this year anythere. But hmm it's financed by local monopolist, yeah...

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    fuck you.

    Yeah, I apologize, I suppose am just as guilty as they are. I wanted to post reasons why the Soviet Union should not be glorified, but in my mind that would have been redundant. I thought bringing up the fact that it collapsed was enough to get the point across.
    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarinana View Post
    Well here in Lithuania or as some people like to say Russia we learn about Mongol invasions in 6th grade.
    These days Russians all have Mongol blood in them. Mongols used to be a really tricky nation and the real Russians used to be very smart. Quite a dangerous mix.
    That is getting into why I like the Russian culture.

    Hell, I wish I had some Russian blood in me.
    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbean View Post
    the Soviet Union should not be glorified
    Plenty of major nations were responsible for serious crimes against humanity (especially Britain, France, USA, and oh yeah Canada too) at some point. None of them deserve to be glorified in any way or to have their deeds forgotten. But if you're going to do something wrong, at least do it right; Katyusha at least sounds nicer than O Canada.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linas View Post
    and Lithuania was fucked by Russia for more 200 yrs
    Yes, exactly. And remember what they did in Finland. They were first throwing cluster bombs and then claiming it were food supplies in their homeland...

    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    Katyusha at least sounds nicer than O Canada.
    Those dictatorships in the past should never be glorified, there are also many people here who claim the GDR "wasn't that bad at all!". Bullshit. But people were corrupted in these days, so it's not a reason to hate the people. The culture is much older than these criminal regimes, and so is the song Katyusha older than the CCCP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    Plenty of major nations were responsible for serious crimes against humanity (especially Britain, France, USA, and oh yeah Canada too) at some point.
    Correct. That is why I believe in fighting for the good in each county. If I was Swiss, I would certainly protect my right to own firearms as it is an important tradition for them.

    The Russians have a fascinating culture, and the United States has explicit freedoms that are supposed to be inalienable by governments. Around the world it is a fight against good and evil.
    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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    To paraphrase Tomas Jefferson: The amount of tyranny that will fall on the people is in exact proportion to how much tyranny the people are willing to put up with.
    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
    --Theodore Roosevelt

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    -- Mark Twain

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    -- Confucius

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbean View Post
    Correct. That is why I believe in fighting for the good in each county. If I was Swiss, I would certainly protect my right to own firearms as it is an important tradition for them.

    The Russians have a fascinating culture, and the United States has explicit freedoms that are supposed to be inalienable by governments. Around the world it is a fight against good and evil.
    dude, friendliness is good shit, but c'mon you! What do you know about russian culture? What do you know about US? US is like almost the shittiest system in history. Explicit freedoms? Then someone's punching in your face everyday telling you are bad, it's one thing, but then you believe that without that someone telling you that you are bad, blah blah, do you get it or not?

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    this is also great:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Linas View Post
    What do you know about russian culture?
    I don't know, I have not actually been to Russia, but I would like to go there someday. Right now I am studying basic Russian language. I also have been absorbing some eastern European culture and history as I can causally do from my home computer when I am doing my homework. I have also read a couple of books for school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Linas View Post
    What do you know about US? US is like almost the shittiest system in history. Explicit freedoms?
    I live in the US, and I know much about its history. The United States is not perfect, there is a lot of things that my country has done that is hidden from most Americans. It is still a great country, it is truly the land of opportunity.

    The problem with the United States right now is its people and our government. We used to be a highly productive country with the strongest, brightest people, but that has all changed in the last few decades. Today, most Americans are a bunch of slobs, many of which are devoid of basic knowledge. This is a short answer, but if you want a longer one, let me know.

    It has nothing to do with friendliness, its just, it is what it is.
    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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    I don't know how accurate this is:



    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
    --Theodore Roosevelt

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    -- Mark Twain

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    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
    --Theodore Roosevelt

    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
    -- Mark Twain

    "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
    -- Confucius

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    something nicer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plynex View Post
    Yes, exactly. And remember what they did in Finland. They were first throwing cluster bombs and then claiming it were food supplies in their homeland...

    Those dictatorships in the past should never be glorified, there are also many people here who claim the GDR "wasn't that bad at all!". Bullshit. But people were corrupted in these days, so it's not a reason to hate the people. The culture is much older than these criminal regimes, and so is the song Katyusha older than the CCCP.
    I believe that few countries deserve to be glorified. The history of Britain and France's colonial empires is strikingly bad and in some places makes your stomach churn.

    The history of the USA and Canada begin with the ethnic cleansing of millions from the indigenous native population. Then there is American, Canadian, British, French... involvement in setting up horrible dictatorships all throughout the world.

    But the reason I started this thread wasn't to glorify the USSR. I just liked those songs. Sometimes it's possible to admire an aspect of something in spite of how horrible it is. It's an irrational act of human nature. In spite of Genghis Khan's brutal reputation, it's easy to admire his ability to command troops. It's also difficult not to admire America's economic superiority and the diplomatic cunning with which Britain controlled its empire.

    That's beside the fact that a few good aspects always inevitably exist under even the most horrible conditions. For example, Genghis' expansion, while brutal and destructive, also united China and connected the Eastern and Western parts of Asia into a stronger trading network. Britain controlled a massive colonial empire, but had strong and progressive laws to ensure the freedom and prosperity of its own citizens.

    Yes, I know how horrible the USSR was and I wouldn't in a million years want that regime to come back to life, so I do appreciate your criticism. That's punctuated by the fact the I personally lived under a socialist dictatorship that was very similar to it.
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    The Baltic Way or Baltic Chain (also Chain of Freedom,[1] Estonian: Balti kett, Latvian: Baltijas ceļš, Lithuanian: Baltijos kelias, Russian: Балтийский путь) was a peaceful political demonstration that occurred on August 23, 1989. Approximately two million people joined their hands to form a human chain spanning over 600 kilometres (370 mi) across the three Baltic states – Estonian SSR, Latvian SSR, and Lithuanian SSR, republics of the Soviet Union.
    The protest was designed to draw global attention by demonstrating a popular desire for independence for each of the entities. It also illustrated solidarity among the three nations. It has been described as an effective publicity campaign, emotionally captivating and visually stunning scene.[2][3] The event presented an opportunity for the Baltic activists to promote their view of illegal Soviet occupation and position the question of Baltic independence not as a political matter, but as a moral issue. Soviet authorities in Moscow responded to the event with intense rhetoric,[2] but failed to take any constructive actions that could bridge the widening gap between the Baltic states and the Soviet Union. Within six months from the protest, Lithuania became the first of the Republics of the Soviet Union to declare independence.

    If not Baltic states and Iceland - the only nation among international community that didn't hesistate to recognize the independence of Lithuania - Soviet Union might have survived longer.




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    I thought that there had already been a lot of pressure within the Soviet Union that was leading to its demise throughout the 1980's. The Soviet Union first of all could not compete with the United States economically in the cold war in terms of military build up, so the Soviet Union drew on its economy too heavily causing unrest. Other events such as the Chernobyl incident had people realize that the Soviet government was not as powerful as they thought, despite all of the rhetoric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbean View Post
    I would like to go there someday.
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    that has all changed in the last few decades.
    ...
    It has nothing to do with friendliness
    oh it was a joke, that friendliness thing

    I know what you are talking about. Yeah that stupid fat&stupid stereotype, lol. I sort of love USA. It's just that there's a lot more beneath the surface. I'm talking about whole mind control thing in the country and the whole freedom thing bullshit outsite

    "We support your war of terror!" -- seen that movie?

    Yep, I definately would like to read more on what you think about that and I'm actually going to watch some stuff on that subject right now

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