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    Sharing my Dual experience

    For keeping his name private, I'm going to call my dual friend Alex.
    Alex's type is ESTj
    My Type is in my sig
    Tom's type is not important
    Alex's response to my suggestions are in [Brackets]

    My friend, Alex, has been a little uncertain about future plans and treated me out to a wonderful lunch to discuss his uncertainty about starting a possible long term business venture with his friend Tom. I have met Tom before and got a chance to size him up on many levels. Although Alex and Tom have been good friends, there were some uncertainty about how they would fair together as business partners and Alex wanted my input and insight; Alex likes feeding me for free advice and I don't mind him doing that.

    Alex started to tell me his thought about going into business with Tom. He asked me what my thoughts were on that situation. I played out a few possible scenarios (from my Fi -feelings and Ne -possibilities) that I thought would result based on the feelings I got from Tom. I listed my possible scenarios like this:

    1.I feel that Tom doesn't have the kind of energy and drive that you do so I feel that he is a bit lazier and might slack off and that might frustrate you because you might be doing a lot of work, but that isn't a problem for you because you can exert a lot of energy and cover for his slack. [He doesn't work as fast and as well as I do, he's kinda slow, so I can see that]
    2.So I see how you can easily over work yourself. He won't mind you working so much because the material rewards will be too tempting for him, further driving him to push you to work longer hours. [huh]
    3.I feel that sometimes Tom won't be able to carry out your fruition the way you expect him to, instead getting very emotional at you for trying to tell him what to do. [Yeah, I told him last week he was getting fat and that he needed to work out and he blew up on my face, calling me nonsupporting when I was only trying to be real and rational. I would appreciate it if someone gave me input like that; I don't know why he got emotion, but I see that happening with him a lot.]
    4.With the emotional regard, he will be slow and emotionally hold on to things. You might need a buffer person to appeal to his emotions and yet be able to keep your head on and not loose your temper when working with him. [I can see you doing that]
    5.I feel that, because of his personality, that Tom will never be fully satisfied for his compensation, feeling short handed and pressuring you emotionally to get a fairer deal or cut on his work and efforts. [That might be a possibility, but the I can see myself being very tough. I don't think he's the kind of person who will get physical with me.] No, I don't think he's prone to violence. But, you'd have to leave room and option to back out of a partnership if you see that you can't deal with him any more.

    These were just the top three things we discussed, that I thought were important to mention here. I like Te because it does not necessarily need that empirical information that Se needs in order to gather and trust information, store and shift knowledge, collect it and to concentrate on work (employing my suggestions into efficiency, economy, giving the info that I offer into workable-logical soundness, productivity, sustainability and put a realistic perspective on mobilizing resources and gear this information towards action. ESTj's have this trust tendency, I feel that ENTj's may need Se perspective before acting on something, that is having a reliable concrete source .

    I felt really important and valued because my perception of inner processes of Tom's feelings/mood/disposition tied him into a scenario of what actions can be expected from a business venture with this person. I was not ignored, the information that I provided was not suitable to , but it was not discounted or seen as trivial and unimportant. I'm always happy when I don't have to use moods/sudden emotional arguments to get attention to my beliefs/insights.

    Alex walked away with knowing what could go well and not and he used his logic to figure out what he could handle and not. Essentially, although my information was not based on any concrete evidence about Tom (as in Tom taking a psychological test that would determine that he was not emotionally suited for a partnership), Alex was open and receptive to my less-then-concrete information, because that is what separates Deltas from Gammas and that is what makes this awesome guy my dual.

    Alex seemed to like how I connected his feelings of uncertainty about the venture with Tom to possible outcomes; these possible outcomes geared him to determine if he could work with these situations or not; I got a good perspective on what I was offering that was so needed by my dual and so important for him; I was offering myself, an ear, to be there for him, someone he could trust with not only emotional information but also logical. I provide moral support, a warm, calm, steady, environment for Alex to pour his uncertainties out, for exchange, he feeds me. That's good for me.
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    You should write erotic novels Maritsa!
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    DID YOU FUCK THIS GUY
    <Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not

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    No I did not sleep with him. I'm very, very, very, very selective about who I fall in love with and decide to have sexual relations with. When love strikes my heart my emotions can get really out of control fast.

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    Once upon a time, I was talking about something annoying. My SLI friend says, "Go away. You're driving me crazy."

    The end.

    It was a formative experience in my life.
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    Duality is like having fun instead of doing what you should be doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thePirate View Post
    DID YOU FUCK THIS GUY
    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    No I did not sleep with him.
    You should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by detail View Post
    Duality is like having fun instead of doing what you should be doing.
    Our dual pair is very box like, work when need to work, play or rest after.

    @Stan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Our dual pair is very box like, work when need to work, play or rest after.

    @Stan
    No it was an analogy. I meant that they feel natural/easy but not very intellectually close/challenging. So instead of developping yourself, you just go with the flow.

    Maritsa disclaimer: Do not take any of this too far/literally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detail View Post
    Duality is like having fun instead of doing what you should be doing.
    Probably for alphas, yeah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Our dual pair is very box like, work when need to work, play or rest after.

    @Stan
    yeah, I actually agree with that

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiny_dancer View Post
    Once upon a time, I was talking about something annoying. My SLI friend says, "Go away. You're driving me crazy."

    The end.

    It was a formative experience in my life.
    nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    Probably for alphas, yeah
    It's an analogy. It only means that you can't connect as much with your dual, but it still feels good to be with one. That's why i prefer them as friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detail View Post
    It's an analogy. It only means that you can't connect as much with your dual, but it still feels good to be with one. That's why i prefer them as friends.
    What? No way, not for me. I've had my dual cousin in my life for 23 years and given the choice, I would marry her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    What? No way, not for me. I've had my dual cousin in my life for 23 years and given the choice, I would marry her.
    I think Borat married his sister, oh wait that was someone else..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    I've had my dual cousin in my life for 23 years and given the choice, I would marry her.
    what
    <Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by detail View Post
    Duality is like having fun instead of doing what you should be doing.
    Probably for alphas, yeah
    ... and not feeling bad about it.

    PS: Maritsa, I would advise learning what is before discussing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewZ View Post
    ... and not feeling bad about it.

    PS: Maritsa, I would advise learning what is before discussing it.
    What makes you think I don't know what it is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    What makes you think I don't know what it is?
    The OP.

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