Deltas dressing in unconventional/rebellious ways

[bobbybeam]

Hey, so do any of you deltas have a desire to be unconventional/rebellious in the way that you dress, so much so that you get a thrill out of doing it?

(for example: a girl with a "modern mullet", a feather earring, combat boots, and plaid in baggy-ish clothes)

[UDP]

It depends

I know two deltas who try to be like Lady Gaga for fun at times, to be outrageous. but it's sort of making fun of it.

I've dressed outrageously to be funny, too, but, not that often.


Again, as with much about socionics, it's not so much what happens by why. A sort of "typical" response would be that no, delta people wouldn't really do that, they are somewhat more laid back or even conservative, to make a very broad, sweeping statement. But that doesn't mean it can't happen.


You'd have to explain more about the situation for a substantial analysis about "delta or no". You have to start looking at motivations and how an individual relates to society, and various pressures and preferences, and the nature of making decisions. That's a lot different from just noticing "oh, you seem to be dressing outrageously".

[bobbybeam]

It depends

I know two deltas who try to be like Lady Gaga for fun at times, to be outrageous. but it's sort of making fun of it.

I've dressed outrageously to be funny, too, but, not that often.


Again, as with much about socionics, it's not so much what happens by why. A sort of "typical" response would be that no, delta people wouldn't really do that, they are somewhat more laid back or even conservative, to make a very broad, sweeping statement. But that doesn't mean it can't happen.


You'd have to explain more about the situation for a substantial analysis about "delta or no". You have to start looking at motivations and how an individual relates to society, and various pressures and preferences, and the nature of making decisions. That's a lot different from just noticing "oh, you seem to be dressing outrageously".

I think that there is a mix of emotions. The original joy of doing something "different" that very few people around have the courage to try. The rush of a "new" idea (at least in the area) that has finally been put into motion, and the enjoyment of challenging the "status quo"-of what is typical and expected.
Though, there is a timidness about standing out too much, so much so that it causes a scene, and a fear that it won't be appreciated. There is a desire for the majority to participate in I guess "dressing differently", but also a rebelliousness from a group of people who do not step out from the crowd and be themselves.
Does this mean anything?

[Suz]

hmmm, me and dress. . .

I've never intentionally wanted to dress rebelliously. In fact I admire the people who dress elegantly, and I try to emulate that, but it never comes out that well. I also like colors, not necessarily ones that intentionally make me stick out (I try to avoid that), but I often do end up sticking out, or looking rebellious with the colors.

Like, I will come in to work in a colorful top, and someone will say "wow, you look BRIGHT!!" And then i'll feel self conscious.

[Beautiful sky]

Deltas usually prefer to dress conservatively, but so do a lot of Gammas. This is too far reaching to pigon hole.

[bobbybeam]

Deltas usually prefer to dress conservatively, but so do a lot of Gammas. This is too far reaching to pigon hole.

All I am asking is whether or not any deltas out there get a thrill out of dressing "different" or somewhat rebelliously.
I know that I do and I found it rather odd, so I decided to ask.
umm yes, I do feel most comfortable when I dress conservatively (not too much skin showing...and I do not feel comfortable in short shorts)

I was dating a guy who was an LIE (he used to be on the forum here) and he liked girls that dressed somewhat conservatively BUT hated clothes that were "different". He preferred it when I conformed and didn't dress outrageously.

hmmm, me and dress. . .

I've never intentionally wanted to dress rebelliously. In fact I admire the people who dress elegantly, and I try to emulate that, but it never comes out that well. I also like colors, not necessarily ones that intentionally make me stick out (I try to avoid that), but I often do end up sticking out, or looking rebellious with the colors.

Like, I will come in to work in a colorful top, and someone will say "wow, you look BRIGHT!!" And then i'll feel self conscious.

haha I admire elegantly dressed women, too! (I like long flowing clothing because it makes it look like you are floating when you walk :] )
I can do the awkward/out-there dress, but am still practicing on the elegant (simplicity is very hard for me).

[Beautiful sky]

All I am asking is whether or not any deltas out there get a thrill out of dressing "different" or somewhat rebelliously.
I know that I do and I found it rather odd, so I decided to ask.
umm yes, I do feel most comfortable when I dress conservatively (not too much skin showing...and I do not feel comfortable in short shorts)

As a general rule, no, we prefer simple and practical dress over elegance artsy, of Beta, a little edgy of Gamma, and a blend of comfort and elegence of Alpha. Alpha and Delta will tend to like the same dress styles and Beta and Gamma the same to each other.

[DirectorAbbie]

I dress originally, but not outrageously. I'm likely to be seen wearing a neat collared shirt, black slacks, bold and colorful toe socks with bells on them, sandals, and a paper crane in my hair.

[silverchris9]

Of all the delta types, IEEs are the most likely to enjoy dressing in a surprising manner, but more in a "let's see how this will change my day" (does it make me feel different? Does it make others react to me differently? If so, how? How is this new, different, or exciting?) way than a beta "let's see how many people I can freak out with my superb individual identity" way. Also note that IEEs often have a "why not?" attitude about wearing new/different clothes: it's an Ne-thing.

One great way to tell whether outrageous dress is more of an indicator of delta NF or a beta type is context. A beta will probably get more thrill out of it the more "inappropriate" the context is, i.e., Lady Gaga flashing her vag at the Catholic school graduation. On the other hand, deltas will get less thrill out of doing something in an "inappropriate" context, and more thrill in doing it "just because." For betas, it's a sort of anti-Fi statement. For deltas, it's a sort of pro-Ne "I had an idea, why not do it?" sort of thing. I don't know what's going to happen when I do this... so why not do it!

The difference is in Fi-valuing or not. For betas the more implicit rules about peoples duties to one another I can break, the better. (Well, maybe that's more unhealthy betas who haven't learned to coexist with Fi, sort of like a delta who doesn't know how to coexist with Fe might intentionally "ruin the fun" of a beta or alpha group by refusing to play along at all). For deltas, on the other hand, if there is a duty that the delta individual recognizes to respect a certain code of dress, they would normally do so. And if they failed to do so, they would end up feeling bad about it and condemning their own behavior much more readily than a beta in the same situation, especially when reflecting on it later.

In an extreme example, almost no delta who grew up in mainstream US culture would, say, wear something outrageous to a funeral. Again, there are some situations in which this would be different, but assuming that nothing happened to make them seriously lose respect for the social custom or the group of people for whose sake the custom is being performed, a delta, even an IEE, would be highly unlikely to wear something ridiculous to a funeral. But a group of betas might get together and wear crazy stuff to someone's funeral and make it a big Fe party, and think nothing of it.

However, certainly the most important thing to remember is that evidence like this by no means makes or breaks a typing. While with enough information, you can certainly use it as a valuable observation, you definitely shouldn't type someone on something like clothing, especially a one-time thing as opposed to a general pattern of dress.

[bobbybeam]

Of all the delta types, IEEs are the most likely to enjoy dressing in a surprising manner, but more in a "let's see how this will change my day" (does it make me feel different? Does it make others react to me differently? If so, how? How is this new, different, or exciting?) way than a beta "let's see how many people I can freak out with my superb individual identity" way. Also note that IEEs often have a "why not?" attitude about wearing new/different clothes: it's an Ne-thing.

One great way to tell whether outrageous dress is more of an indicator of delta NF or a beta type is context. A beta will probably get more thrill out of it the more "inappropriate" the context is, i.e., Lady Gaga flashing her vag at the Catholic school graduation. On the other hand, deltas will get less thrill out of doing something in an "inappropriate" context, and more thrill in doing it "just because." For betas, it's a sort of anti-Fi statement. For deltas, it's a sort of pro-Ne "I had an idea, why not do it?" sort of thing. I don't know what's going to happen when I do this... so why not do it!

The difference is in Fi-valuing or not. For betas the more implicit rules about peoples duties to one another I can break, the better. (Well, maybe that's more unhealthy betas who haven't learned to coexist with Fi, sort of like a delta who doesn't know how to coexist with Fe might intentionally "ruin the fun" of a beta or alpha group by refusing to play along at all). For deltas, on the other hand, if there is a duty that the delta individual recognizes to respect a certain code of dress, they would normally do so. And if they failed to do so, they would end up feeling bad about it and condemning their own behavior much more readily than a beta in the same situation, especially when reflecting on it later.

In an extreme example, almost no delta who grew up in mainstream US culture would, say, wear something outrageous to a funeral. Again, there are some situations in which this would be different, but assuming that nothing happened to make them seriously lose respect for the social custom or the group of people for whose sake the custom is being performed, a delta, even an IEE, would be highly unlikely to wear something ridiculous to a funeral. But a group of betas might get together and wear crazy stuff to someone's funeral and make it a big Fe party, and think nothing of it.

However, certainly the most important thing to remember is that evidence like this by no means makes or breaks a typing. While with enough information, you can certainly use it as a valuable observation, you definitely shouldn't type someone on something like clothing, especially a one-time thing as opposed to a general pattern of dress.

oh my! this was VERY helpful!
and yes yes, I promise not to use it when typing anyone, I was just wondering based on my own personal observations of myself.

I really enjoy coming up with "new" ideas of how to dress and get somewhat of a rush from doing it.

Now, I have been asking around, but um do you have any particular sites that you could refer me to that would give me a better incite to socionics?

[Marie84]

Personally, no, but that's just me. I like to wear bright colors and prints every so often, but the things I own are more classical styles than trendy
silverchris is onto something about IEE's, in that I have noticed that aesthetic creativity is a bit more noticeable in what they wear more so than most other Delta's

But in general I don't think personal taste should be used as a means to type, it's too superficial

[Simon Ssmall]

Hey, so do any of you deltas have a desire to be unconventional/rebellious in the way that you dress, so much so that you get a thrill out of doing it?

(for example: a girl with a "modern mullet", a feather earring, combat boots, and plaid in baggy-ish clothes)

Yeh I do that from time to time on a regular basis, just for the fun of it. Latest addition, it took some special preparation for that one .



But yeh, I think I mentioned quite a few times already: going to punk concerts in white shirt and classy shoes, wearing a dress in a biker festival or things like that.

I dont think it is much about being rebellious but it is about being unconventional. All in all it is just to have fun and I dont make a big deal out of it. Motivations for it could be quite different too: a) someone told me I wouldn't do it because I am such and such person b) I just dont make a big deal out of it (the way I dress) c) I see no reason to dress like everyone else just to be somewhere d) I think it will be funny e) I just felt like it

[bobbybeam]

Yeh I do that from time to time on a regular basis, just for the fun of it. Latest addition, it took some special preparation for that one .




it is about being unconventional. All in all it is just to have fun
a) someone told me I wouldn't do it because I am such and such person b) I just dont make a big deal out of it (the way I dress) c) I see no reason to dress like everyone else just to be somewhere d) I think it will be funny e) I just felt like it

HAHAHHA! i love it! how funny!
i must admit that i am not as brave as you are. i do not dress to be funny, but think it's AWESOME that you do

[UDP]

when I get home I love to strip.

[Suz]

when I get home I love to strip.

I do too actually. . .I lounge around in my undies all the time.

Sorry TMI !!!!!!!

[DirectorAbbie]

But yeh, I think I mentioned quite a few times already: going to punk concerts in white shirt and classy shoes, wearing a dress in a biker festival or things like that.

I dont think it is much about being rebellious but it is about being unconventional. All in all it is just to have fun and I dont make a big deal out of it. Motivations for it could be quite different too: a) someone told me I wouldn't do it because I am such and such person b) I just dont make a big deal out of it (the way I dress) c) I see no reason to dress like everyone else just to be somewhere d) I think it will be funny e) I just felt like it

Whoopie! I would totally wear a fancy dress to a punk concert.

[stanprollyright]

when I get home I love to strip.

Pics or it didn't happen

[Simon Ssmall]

Whoopie! I would totally wear a fancy dress to a punk concert.

Haha

[silverchris9]

. Deltas aren't so bad! This whole conversation has been both comical and entertaining.

Also, @bobby, sorry, I don't really know any websites. I mostly just read wikisocion and here.

[bobbybeam]

Pics or it didn't happen

agreed

. Deltas aren't so bad! This whole conversation has been both comical and entertaining.

aww thanks! i am glad to hear it!
you are very smart! :]

[Marie84]

omg it's Raoul Duke!

[Simon Ssmall]

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I do too actually. . .I lounge around in my undies all the time.

Sorry TMI !!!!!!!

Hahaha, so this whole thread is really about that creepy old internet conversation of what we are wearing.

OK I'll join in then. It's so often the case I find myself relaxing at home wearing nothing but a raging boner.

There, how was that?

[bobbybeam]

Hahaha, so this whole thread is really about that creepy old internet conversation of what we are wearing.

OK I'll join in then. It's so often the case I find myself relaxing at home wearing nothing but a raging boner.

There, how was that?

jesus christ

[Creepy-Cyclops]

jesus christ

You know Him?

[Suz]

Hahaha, so this whole thread is really about that creepy old internet conversation of what we are wearing.

OK I'll join in then. It's so often the case I find myself relaxing at home wearing nothing but a raging boner.

There, how was that?

I dont think i needed to know that.

[Suz]

You know Him?

lol!!

[bobbybeam]

You know Him?

;p not personally, but i know both he and i would both agree that that was too much information haha

[DirectorAbbie]

I've decided that if someone asks me on a date, I'll tell them to take me to a punk rock concert and to wear a suit & tie and bring a briefcase. I'll wear a fancy dress. Then we can sit and read and knit, and if people start dancing we'll get up and waltz.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I dont think i needed to know that.

I think it was obv I was j/k.

I'll leave you to discuss what you're wearing..and the lack of it, with Ryu, while he's stripping off, and I apologise to you, Bobbybeam, and anyone else somehow deeming themselves offended: it was simply a passing remark in jest.

[Suz]

I think it was obv I was j/k.

I'll leave you to discuss what you're wearing..and the lack of it, with Ryu, while he's stripping off, and I apologise to you, Bobbybeam, and anyone else somehow deeming themselves offended: it was simply a passing remark in jest.

oh cyclops!! I was being FACETIOUS!!!!!!! sigh. . .apparently i am not skilled in continuing an SLI witty-ism.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

oh cyclops!! I was being FACETIOUS!!!!!!! sigh. . .apparently i am not skilled in continuing an SLI witty-ism.

Maybe not really your fault tbh, I can find it difficult to get when someone is having a 50/50 joke irl which could either mean a mutual humour or a chastisement in a public environment, it can be even10x more difficult on a forum where I can see even less to guess!

I think that Bobbybeam saying something, who I don't know, then you said something, made it feel like a public slip up rather than a smaller closer group environment.

Fe PoLR ftw.

[bobbybeam]

I think it was obv I was j/k.

I'll leave you to discuss what you're wearing..and the lack of it, with Ryu, while he's stripping off, and I apologise to you, Bobbybeam, and anyone else somehow deeming themselves offended: it was simply a passing remark in jest.

haha, i know, silly! not to worry!

[bobbybeam]

I've decided that if someone asks me on a date, I'll tell them to take me to a punk rock concert and to wear a suit & tie and bring a briefcase. I'll wear a fancy dress. Then we can sit and read and knit, and if people start dancing we'll get up and waltz.

LOL! that would be awesome!

[force my hand]

Hey, so do any of you deltas have a desire to be unconventional/rebellious in the way that you dress, so much so that you get a thrill out of doing it?

When I was younger (teens), I certainly did. I thought it was important to look in a way that set me apart from mainstream society and identified me as part of a subculture.

However, I couldn't care less now. I went to a show last night after a few years of 'retirement' and found everyone's uniform to be meaningless.

[Galen]

I've never felt a real need to rebel against anything, so why would I dress for the event I'm not attending?

[blankblank]

I would LOVE to be decked out in black-and-red-dyed hair, chains, spikey chokers, black leather, and black nail polish.

...but then authority figures would not take me seriously. :'(

[OrangeAppled]

Hey, so do any of you deltas have a desire to be unconventional/rebellious in the way that you dress, so much so that you get a thrill out of doing it?

(for example: a girl with a "modern mullet", a feather earring, combat boots, and plaid in baggy-ish clothes)

I don't go out of my way to be rebellious, but I don't have a problem with being "unconventional" if it suits me. I'd probably rather look strange than dull, honestly. I like elegant, artsy stuff in general. Nothing outrageous, but definitely visually interesting.

[Simon Ssmall]

ORLY?

[Minde]

Unfortunately, whenever I actually am thinking about style, I'm usually too busy trying to figure out what is appropriate than what I can do to be inappropriate. I'm not the best at style...

If I need to do something to make people happy and more willing to work with me, and if it doesn't go against my principles, then I'll probably at least aim for it. That can go for clothing or other things.