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[Creepy-male]

9:00:40 AM Gul: lol
9:02:49 AM Gul: I now have 2 million in superhero city
9:02:55 AM Gul: and bugger all to spend it on
9:08:01 AM Cale: there is plenty to spend it on, you spend it on upgrades to your powers and new powers and training for new "day jobs"
9:08:33 AM Gul: I don't bother with day jobs, and just use the no-upkeep powers
9:09:05 AM Cale: and then people like me will come kick your arse cause you have no decent powers
9:09:14 AM Gul: I have 50 teammates
9:09:19 AM Gul: I don't *need* strong powers
9:09:27 AM Cale: doesn't mean shit if you can't protect yourself
9:09:35 AM Cale: yes you do
9:09:45 AM Gul: believe me, I don't
9:10:05 AM Gul: feel free to try fighting me, you're quite welcome to.
9:10:48 AM Cale: i have no fights left i need to recharge
9:11:03 AM Gul: ok then, look at my stats page and see what my stats are
9:11:11 AM Gul: they're in the range of 400 a/d
9:17:47 AM Cale: yeah mine are in the range of 800ish
9:18:30 AM Gul: 816 a, 638 d, 83 ag
9:19:26 AM Cale: close enough
9:19:37 AM Cale: if i attack you, you wont have a chance
9:19:50 AM Gul: *if* you attack me
9:19:54 AM Gul: but I'm a tree in a forest
9:20:08 AM Gul: so the only way you'd do that is if you wanted to make a point
9:20:34 AM Cale: who said i dont wanna make a point
9:20:43 AM Gul: nobody
9:20:44 AM Gul: lol
9:23:03 AM Cale: and i do believe my point was just proven if you care to check your who attacked me last list
9:23:30 AM Gul: lol
9:23:46 AM Gul: my you're the bitter sort
9:24:01 AM Cale: you wont get anywhere in this game if you only use the "no upkeep" powers
9:24:18 AM Gul: and yet I can beat every combat mission and most of the playerbase
9:24:32 AM Gul: you seem to be missing the point of upkeep powers
9:24:41 AM Gul: they give more stats than the basic ones
9:24:53 AM Gul: however, each teammate you have can take one power from each category
9:25:04 AM Cale: incorrect
9:25:12 AM Gul: so if you have a dickshitting metric truckload of party members, bam, lots o' stats
9:25:42 AM Gul: a side effect of having lots of teammembers is that each one needs to field their own upkeep, which just gets expensive
9:26:14 AM Cale: having team members will have an affect of stacking attributes yes, but if none of your team mates have any decent powers, you dont stand a chance in hell even if you have 500 team mates
9:26:43 AM Gul: My man
9:26:46 AM Cale: so your logic is fundamentally flawed
9:26:47 AM Gul: simple arithmetic time
9:26:57 AM Gul: oh
9:27:00 AM Gul: wait a sec
9:27:03 AM Gul: step back
9:27:09 AM Gul: what level are you?
9:27:15 AM Gul: I'm talking in terms that work at my level
9:27:33 AM Cale: listen, it's simple... the better the powers of your team mates and yourself, the greater your teams attributes... it doesn't take einstein to work that out
9:27:36 AM Gul: Which is why what you're telling me is so laughable, because it's contradicting *direct experience*
9:27:59 AM Gul: Step out of the realm of the theoretical for a second please.
9:28:14 AM Gul: There's a breakpoint at which you overpower every mission, and that breakpoint comes with stats.
9:28:16 AM Cale: it's not theoretical, i speak from direct experience
9:28:38 AM Gul: Whether you get there through a thousand tiny rogue shanks or one gigantic saurfang cleave is irrelevant
9:28:49 AM Gul: the point is just to get there
9:29:06 AM Gul: as for defending yourself from other players, it's a moot point. Someone is always going to beat you.
9:29:15 AM Cale: my dear tree... as you will see later, there are missions and such that require certain attributes at certain levels, and certain amounts of team mates to complete
9:29:34 AM Gul: fair enough
9:29:43 AM Gul: this is why I said, what I'm talking about works at my level
9:30:45 AM Cale: the point i am making is this... build yourself up now so that you dont have to do it later
9:30:53 AM Gul: pointless
9:31:04 AM Gul: I prefer adapting to a situation based on the present needs
9:31:11 AM Cale: it's never pointless to be prepared for the inevitable
9:31:26 AM Gul: I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree there.

(Cale is some sort of XLE, imo.)

[munenori2]

If you formatted it better and didn't have crazy long usernames, I could read this.

[Creepy-male]

Better?

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

A person that plays too much WoW arguing with a person who plays too much Ragnarok Online.

;p

[Creepy-male]

A person that plays too much WoW arguing with a person who plays too much Ragnarok Online.

;p

No, that's me debating whether I get ye flask or not ;p (ex-RO addict, repor'in fer du'y, sir! <o)

I'm just curious what's at work here. I have Cale typed as SLE, and the Ti is certainly very clear. The debate seems like two Sensors butting heads over their own perceived reality and thinking the other is a stark raving loonytic for trying to contradict it.

Also, where we sign off at the end seems like Carefree vs Farsighted philosophy (which is why I cut him off, or we'd have been talking in circles for ages ).

But I'm not sure. Just wanting to confirm I'm attributing things correctly.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I think that other person pretty much owned you there though, Gul. His/her reasoning was just better.

[Crispy]

Yeah say that After he reveals its an SLE

[Brilliand]

I think I could see myself on either side of that debate. It looks like he was higher-level than you overall, which explains why he beat you... actually, I'd like to do a proper analysis of your strategy, since it seems to be a clever trick not quite intended by the makers of the game. Is there a cap on how many teammates you can have? Is upkeep purely a money issue? If so, what benefit do you gain from not having upkeep, now that you have more money than you have any use for?

[1981slater]

Cale -> ILE
Gul -> SEI