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    I have high standards.

    I’m not happy to admit this as no-one wants to be the “standards enforcer” aka pain in the neck… but I may as well come clean as it’s true.

    Sigh… I have actually said the following in the middle of a perfectionist rant

    “If it’s not right, it’s not right"
    “If you’re going to do a job you may as well do it properly"
    “I can’t work like this!"
    "Well…. we will just need to do it again!”


    Can I blame Beta for this affliction?

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    I can tell you that I'm the same way and it pisses people off. Especially Deltas, but alphas too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IEI View Post
    I have high standards.

    I’m not happy to admit this as no-one wants to be the “standards enforcer” aka pain in the neck… but I may as well come clean as it’s true.

    Sigh… I have actually said the following in the middle of a perfectionist rant

    “If it’s not right, it’s not right"
    “If you’re going to do a job you may as well do it properly"
    “I can’t work like this!"
    "Well…. we will just need to do it again!”


    Can I blame Beta for this affliction?
    No they don't have high standards. But, LSE do..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    No they don't have high standards. But, LSE do..
    That's stupid. Only 1 in 16 people have high standards?
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckland View Post
    That's stupid. Only 1 in 16 people have high standards?
    lol...ah what will we do with the analyzers? (just trying to prove a point-I'm using another method). Am I addressing you? Why are you picking on my post...we know you use logic. I got that.

    I'm not stupid nor what I said is stupid, it's a test. Well, it WAS a test, until you stuck your IQ in it and now, it's no longer a test.

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    I think betas are just the most emphatic about their standards. though it does seem that absolutist perfectionism is more common among us.
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    I tend to think Betas are the most invested in their standards; Deltas may be rigid, but it's because they thing it's the "right thing," because they want a specific result, rather than having an intrinsic disposition towards extremism; that is most Definitely Beta territory.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Under cerulean skies...

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    Well of course Betas don't all have high standards in everything in life; if that was the initial assumption, then the OP is clearly retarded. I think the important emphasis here is how standards manifest differently between quadras and how that might affect external perception of "having standards."
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    High standards = valued functions.
    Low standards = non-valued functions.

    Betas have such low Ne + Si standards that I used to feel sorry for them pre-socionics.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    We just don't give a fuck.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Most if not all people don't have high standards in everything, so I suppose it may differ in what you value and therefore be type or quadra related. But it's still less about having high standards or not and more about valuing, since in case of the former it's likely that variance within groups would be more significant than variance between groups.

    Edit: or, what jxrtes said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    lol...ah what will we do with the analyzers? (just trying to prove a point-I'm using another method). Am I addressing you? Why are you picking on my post...we know you use logic. I got that.

    I'm not stupid nor what I said is stupid, it's a test. Well, it WAS a test, until you stuck your IQ in it and now, it's no longer a test.
    u are manipulative unlike what I perceive an EII to be, maritsa.

    you are also estupido

    that means stupid in spanish
    <Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not

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    Betas don't necessarily have higher standards. That's not really type related. But betas are more likely to a) externally express passion for absolute standards of behavior (Fe + Ti), and b) not hesitate to enforce those standards with lots of emotional expression and volitional pressure, i.e., forcing others to conform to your absolute standards (Fe, Ti, Se). So betas are likely to say, "you had better get it right, because if you don't get it right, we are going to do it again until you do," and use a combination of volitional pressure "we are going to do it again until you get it right," and emotional pressure "your failure is making me angry!" to enforce their absolute standards.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Betas don't necessarily have higher standards. That's not really type related. But betas are more likely to a) externally express passion for absolute standards of behavior (Fe + Ti), and b) not hesitate to enforce those standards with lots of emotional expression and volitional pressure, i.e., forcing others to conform to your absolute standards (Fe, Ti, Se). So betas are likely to say, "you had better get it right, because if you don't get it right, we are going to do it again until you do," and use a combination of volitional pressure "we are going to do it again until you get it right," and emotional pressure "your failure is making me angry!" to enforce their absolute standards.
    This. Gotta love LSIs.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    High standards = valued functions.
    Low standards = non-valued functions.
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    Do Betas find this thread less ridiculous than other quadras?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Betas don't necessarily have higher standards. That's not really type related. But betas are more likely to a) externally express passion for absolute standards of behavior (Fe + Ti), and b) not hesitate to enforce those standards with lots of emotional expression and volitional pressure, i.e., forcing others to conform to your absolute standards (Fe, Ti, Se). So betas are likely to say, "you had better get it right, because if you don't get it right, we are going to do it again until you do," and use a combination of volitional pressure "we are going to do it again until you get it right," and emotional pressure "your failure is making me angry!" to enforce their absolute standards.
    Yeah...best way to provoke a big fist fight
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Yeah...best way to provoke a big fist fight
    Not necessarily, not everyone (even those most of you see as "mighty" ESTps) feels ok with having the taste of their own blood in their mouth actually. A lot (yes, even ESTps) pussy out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detail View Post
    Not necessarily, not everyone (even those most of you see as "mighty" ESTps) feels ok with having the taste of their own blood in their mouth actually. A lot (yes, even ESTps) pussy out.
    He said provoke, not finish.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    He said provoke, not finish.

    I know, what i meant is that more often than not, it doesn't even have to start.

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    Yeeeeha valued functions have higher standards!


    Betas have such low Ne + Si standards that I used to feel sorry for them pre-socionics.

    Exampoles!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jughead View Post
    Yeeeeha valued functions have higher standards!


    Betas have such low Ne + Si standards that I used to feel sorry for them pre-socionics.

    Exampoles!
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    Having high standards, much less any at all, isn't type related. How a person constructs standards or doesn't, well, that's more plausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Betas don't necessarily have higher standards. That's not really type related. But betas are more likely to a) externally express passion for absolute standards of behavior (Fe + Ti), and b) not hesitate to enforce those standards with lots of emotional expression and volitional pressure, i.e., forcing others to conform to your absolute standards (Fe, Ti, Se). So betas are likely to say, "you had better get it right, because if you don't get it right, we are going to do it again until you do," and use a combination of volitional pressure "we are going to do it again until you get it right," and emotional pressure "your failure is making me angry!" to enforce their absolute standards.
    Yeah, this. Beta STs don't suffer fools gladly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by detail View Post
    I know, what i meant is that more often than not, it doesn't even have to start.
    I think that was FDG's point as well, although stated subtly.

    Quote Originally Posted by octopuslove View Post
    Yeah, this. Beta STs don't suffer fools gladly.
    Yeah. I appreciate that. It's fun to watch so long as it's not you (and the solution to that is to not be an idiot... sooooo...). Also, the no Ne thing leads to them refusing to stop and hem and haw and consider alternative ways of looking at the problem (which is why Ni helps, because then they can cut straight to a "solution" of how to understand what's going on. Ni will say, no, this is how to look at it, this is what is going on). It can be a bad thing if they're actually wrong, but so long as they're even partially right (and really, a lot of times it just comes down to "is it done? will it accomplish the goal" and everything else is wrong, lol), it definitely gets results and is, like I said, fun to watch.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IEI View Post
    I have high standards.

    I’m not happy to admit this as no-one wants to be the “standards enforcer” aka pain in the neck… but I may as well come clean as it’s true.

    Sigh… I have actually said the following in the middle of a perfectionist rant

    “If it’s not right, it’s not right"
    “If you’re going to do a job you may as well do it properly"
    “I can’t work like this!"
    "Well…. we will just need to do it again!”


    Can I blame Beta for this affliction?

    nah you're just useless

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    Quote Originally Posted by detail View Post
    Not necessarily, not everyone (even those most of you see as "mighty" ESTps) feels ok with having the taste of their own blood in their mouth actually. A lot (yes, even ESTps) pussy out.
    mm blood

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    Quote Originally Posted by detail View Post
    Do Betas find this thread less ridiculous than other quadras?
    are you on drugs?

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    I try to best in all areas I work/play in. I just cannot be seriously good. Everything around me looks more like... dull and blah... not worth anything much at all... And I want to have broad horizons, to be good at anything possible, well those areas I know best, I've been interested in for a long time, since like childhood, and I was always interested in my things... Ah, whatever... I started drumming and I'm learning it really quick, the same was then I got into this big news paper thing, there I was doing design for that paper, blah, even thou I do seriously sometimes suck at english...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linas View Post
    I try to best in all areas I work/play in. I just cannot be seriously good. Everything around me looks more like... dull and blah... not worth anything much at all... And I want to have broad horizons, to be good at anything possible, well those areas I know best, I've been interested in for a long time, since like childhood, and I was always interested in my things... Ah, whatever... I started drumming and I'm learning it really quick, the same was then I got into this big news paper thing, there I was doing design for that paper, blah, even thou I do seriously sometimes suck at english...
    Do something

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    Quote Originally Posted by octopuslove View Post
    Yeah, this. Beta STs don't suffer fools gladly.
    I swear I've tried, I really have.

    In any case I have high standards when it comes to relationships and acting. After that I would say I'm more realistic when it comes to standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Are you implying work or play ?

    Or Play at work ?
    Do you think if you keep posting symbols people will think you're smart, and adept?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    No. I don't care what people think. I care about what I think. I care that I help people. But, I don't care about what they think of me. Yes, big time, I hate being criticized and it does effect my emotions A LOT, however, it doesn't change me. I change me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    You talk a lot, and yet you don't say anything.
    If I keep posting symbols, some people will think I am smart, some people's perception of me won't change either way, and some people will think I'm getting dumber....there may be more catagories, but I don't know, don't you have Ti? Can't you figure that our?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    If I keep posting symbols, some people will think I am smart, some people's perception of me won't change either way, and some people will think I'm getting dumber....there may be more catagories, but I don't know, don't you have Ti? Can't you figure that our?
    I am trying to determine your intention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    I am trying to determine your intention.
    Intention for posting symbols; oh, I posted the symbols because I mearly wanted to ask if your call for him to "do something" was to tell him to go work or play, or both.

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    It has been part of my personal set of theories for several years that the Creative function is more perfectionistic than the Base function and thus has higher standards.

    Other than that I would second the suggestion that high standards are manifested towards valued functions.

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    the entire forum has devolved into spitting back information that we already know to shitty questions in order to shield our sensitive buttholes and lack of real experimentation with socionics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jughead View Post
    the entire forum has devolved into spitting back information that we already know to shitty questions in order to shield our sensitive buttholes and lack of real experimentation with socionics.
    what would experimentation with socionics consist of?
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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