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    What types do you know that are narcicists?

    I am quite confident that I know three of them.
    ESTJ-Te
    ISFJ-Se
    ESFP-Fi

    edit: also an ENFP and ESTP-Se.

    Are some types more prone to narcicism then others?
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    Narcissism*

    Please correct your spelling or the writer in me will be compelled to do it for you.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Almost everybody is narcissistic, because society condones, supports, and rewards narcissism. It's in everybody's best interest to be narcissistic unfortunately.

    Narcissism will go away if people stop believing in it. I really do think narcissism is just a concept not some actual disorder. I just think it's a way of perceiving things, or to help explain somebody who is all about themselves. I mean you have people saying things like 'Oh healthy narcissism is good, a bit of narcissism is perfect.' I'm sorry but isn't that saying like 'You're a little pregnant?' It's like you are or you're not, but they say things like that because deep down they know that the narcissism criticism falls flat.

    Ultimately it's about choices, and doing the right things for no other reason then it's the right thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Ultimately it's about choices, and doing the right things for no other reason then it's the right thing to do.
    Oh my god, please, don't make me shoot you.

    What do those words mean to you?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    What types do you know that are narcicists?

    I am quite confident that I know three of them.
    ESTJ-Te
    ISFJ-Se
    ESFP-Fi

    Are some types more prone to narcicism then others?

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    lol truth, dude is so full of himself it hurts. I know that look when I see it; I get it every morning in the mirror.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Seriously though, I kind of laugh whenever I see his face, especially a posed picture. It's a little embarrassing, I can't do it for too long. TBH though I think it's mostly related to being a 3; IMO Obama is EII-Fi, he's so much like my dad it's scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    anyway, definitely Beta NF's. Actually, I think that Beta as a whole may come off as a little narcissistic, in general.
    Then I'm mistyping at least some of them. I wouldn't say it's an obligatory trait, myself. (Not suggesting any Beta NFs present are less than narcissistic, of course not.)

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    ESFj's look narcissistic to INTp's because they value Fe over Se.
    Most conflicting relations well have that feel as well.

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    Maritsa what type am I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Maritsa what type am I
    You're not narcissistic to me, so you're not my conflictor. You get along well with Discojoe, obviously, so whatever type he is, you're in the same quadra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    ESFj's look narcissistic to INTp's because they value Fe over Se.
    Most conflicting relations well have that feel as well.
    Eh, not exactly. I would rather say that - superficially - conflictors tend to accuse each other of seemingly ridiculous things. That is, one person just doesn't get what the for the other is the primary and indisposable way of perceiving reality, yet they treat them as if they were in the right - because, from their point of view, situation is reversed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    You're not narcissistic to me, so you're not my conflictor. You get along well with Discojoe, obviously, so whatever type he is, you're in the same quadra.
    There are times I seriously wonder if you're saying things like that on purpose after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    Eh, not exactly. I would rather say that - superficially - conflictors tend to accuse each other of seemingly ridiculous things. That is, one person just doesn't get what the for the other is the primary and indisposable way of perceiving reality, yet they treat them as if they were in the right - because, from their point of view, situation is reversed.
    Yeah, but after a while, a few years, one seems to be too concerned with getting what they want and the other is upset by not getting their personal needs fulfilled, actually both do, but they are very likely to call each other self involved and narcissistic especially if they want what the other person can not provide. So each appear to the other as though they love themselves because at one point conflict ensues and people give up trying to figure problems out and help each other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    There are times I seriously wonder if you're saying things like that on purpose after all.
    I say things as they appear to me. I have no need for anyone's particular offerings or whatever.

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    The least narcissistic quadra: alpha
    The most narcissistic quadra: beta
    The least narcissistic types: ILI, EII
    Types that are often narcissistic: ESFp, ESTj, ISTj, ENFp, ENFj, ISFj
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarinana View Post
    The least narcissistic quadra: alpha
    The most narcissistic quadra: beta
    The least narcissistic types: ILI, EII
    Types that are often narcissistic: ESFp, ESTj, ISTj, ENFp, ENFj, ISFj
    yes I think I agree with all of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarinana View Post
    The least narcissistic quadra: alpha
    The most narcissistic quadra: beta
    The least narcissistic types: ILI, EII
    Types that are often narcissistic: ESFp, ESTj, ISTj, ENFp, ENFj, ISFj
    Those are great observations, except I would take out ENFj and ISFj

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarinana View Post
    The least narcissistic quadra: alpha
    Ever seen House M.D.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Yeah, but after a while, a few years, one seems to be too concerned with getting what they want and the other is upset by not getting their personal needs fulfilled, actually both do, but they are very likely to call each other self involved and narcissistic especially if they want what the other person can not provide. So each appear to the other as though they love themselves because at one point conflict ensues and people give up trying to figure problems out and help each other.
    Actually there's no reference to narcissism in this years-long conflict relation of mine. Although I've been called many things in the meantime, selfish was the closest it came to narcissistic, ever.

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    ILI as least narcissistic? You must be joking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    Actually there's no reference to narcissism in this years-long conflict relation of mine. Although I've been called many things in the meantime, selfish was the closest it came to narcissistic, ever.
    Selfish = egocentric = narcissistic

    Same meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Selfish = egocentric = narcissistic

    Same meaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stanprollyright View Post
    No.
    Look it up, yes.
    Deffinition of Narcissistic is (word use aprox 1822)
    1. egocentric

    Deffinition of egocentic is (word use aprox 1894)
    1. selfish

    Deffinition of Selfish (word use aprox 1640's)
    1 : concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself

    Same command/different use of the same meaning.

    Narcissistic is a psychiatric word, but in the general vernacular they are interchangeably used for meaning of self-centeredness/selfishness.

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    Not typed related It's too much of a removed personality trait to be caused by IE placements. People cultivate narcissism through their environmental experiences, it's typically not inherent.

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    The mentally unhealthy or unstable types are the most narcissistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamicism View Post
    So basically ENTps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctures View Post
    The mentally unhealthy or unstable types are the most narcissistic.
    The thing is, narcistst seem very psychological healthy. You cannot see that they are mentally insecure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    The thing is, narcistst seem very psychological healthy. You cannot see that they are mentally insecure.
    It doesn't matter how they seem to me; what matters more is how they are, independent of my analysis. My existence in the world has no impact on whether or not something I have nothing to do with is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    The thing is, narcistst seem very psychological healthy. You cannot see that they are mentally insecure.
    If that were true, it would not be a diagnosable psychological condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamicism View Post
    If that were true, it would not be a diagnosable psychological condition.
    I'm talking about the first impression you get from them. It's not as obvious that they are mentally ill as with other disorders.

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    Anyone who conflicts with Chef Gordon Ramsey is a narcissist.



    Quote Originally Posted by Arctures View Post
    You and your pictures. It's amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Look it up, yes.
    Deffinition of Narcissistic is (word use aprox 1822)
    1. egocentric

    Deffinition of egocentic is (word use aprox 1894)
    1. selfish

    Deffinition of Selfish (word use aprox 1640's)
    1 : concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself

    Same command/different use of the same meaning.

    Narcissistic is a psychiatric word, but in the general vernacular they are interchangeably used for meaning of self-centeredness/selfishness.
    Except you deleted the rest of the definitions. So what you have there are synonyms, not definitions.

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    I've been saving up pictures of funny faces for a little while now for purposes such as those. I try to find ones that project their own nuanced connotations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctures View Post
    I've been saving up pictures of funny faces for a little while now for purposes such as those. I try to find ones that project their own nuanced connotations.
    That one reminds me of Olivia Munn's sex face. I seriously like what you're doing. Srsle. Keep up the good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    ILI as least narcissistic? You must be joking.
    We should have started with that there is a difference between arrogance and narcicism... people often confuse these two.
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    One of my best friends' mom is narcissistic. Like in a clinical way. EVERYthing in life is turned around to be about her. She's LSE.

    My husband's mom isn't quite that bad, but she has some of those tendencies. She's ESE or SEE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarinana View Post
    We should have started with that there is a difference between arrogance and narcicism... people often confuse these two.
    yes narcisists have a disability, they cannot put themselves in the shoes of others, therefor seeing others as an extension of their world instead of separate humans with their own world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    One of my best friends' mom is narcissistic. Like in a clinical way. EVERYthing in life is turned around to be about her. She's LSE.
    It's my experience that Te types tend most easily towards narcissism. If you examine Jung's definitin of Extraverted Thinking, this becomes rather apparent.
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    I've read articles saying basically narcissism extends from normal to extreme. The normal narcissistic behaviour is basically as other people described, self-centered, egocentric, etc. That can include vanity, authoritarianism, entitlement, etc. A narcissist is anyone who appears vain and shallow. The same can be said for someone who acts self-righteous, pompous, attention seeking, vainglory, etc. Facebook is a good example of narcissistic-egocentric behaviour; people have a face fetish now, taking picture of themselves and posting them up for all their friends to see.

    There is no link between instability and narcissism, even with the extreme narcissist, nothing I've ever heard. Psychologically, the narcissist has ceased maturing during infantile stages of self-love * please correct me if I'm wrong on that description. Basically they literally think they only exist or that their lives have a higher importance than everyone, in addition, if they want something then they take it. My nephew is two years old and if he wants something, he says "mine!" - a narcissistic attitude in a toddler is perfectly normal, but its ridiculous for a grown adult to have similar behaviour. If you meet someone who is inconsiderate, takes without asking, etc.

    Another aspect of narcissitic behaviour is having extreme confidence. Of course the extreme confidence is a fascade to mask an extreme low self-confidence. In the same way a child can be sometimes terrified and frightened, feeling completely vulnerable and unable to protect itself, the narcissist has the same feeling. They have an inability to connect with people on a equal footing; they are either superior or inferior to everyone else.

    The extreme behaviour extends to abusive behaviour with absolute disregard for the emotional impact they have on others. That can be much more wicked and unusual. If they thought it would be right to ridicule, backstab, lie, cheat, rape, murder, etc. on someone they would without any sense of the effect they have on the other person. Narcissism is often characterized as a complete lack of empathy.

    Empathy is not entirely a matter of putting yourself in someone elses shoes, that is voyerism, empathy has to do with compassion. I read this book called the empathy gap. Here is something interesting: they say empathy needs a face to connect with. The book would describe why a president would be very empathetic toward children who were playing in front of the white house and yet would go inside and refuse in clear conscience on signing a policy that promote proper nurtrition for children in low income housing who were suffering. The difference is they can see the face of the children in front of the white house but to just imagine anoymous figures when making policy based on numbers and figures can be somewhat more difficult.

    My opinion is its not that they don't have a conscience but its that they lack compassion. A narcissitic person can tell their lying and when you catch them, they'll feel bad for lying, but they don't consider the effect that has on the other person, i.e. hurt feelings, broken trust. They'll apologize because they feel bad but not because they've made you feel bad - its insulting and disrespectful to be lied to. The classic toddler behaviour is to forget about what they did wrong and do it again the next day, same for a narcissist.

    I remember watching a court room case of a husband who testified to his wife likely being killed by a random act of violence. After testifying he leaves the court room and he stands in front of news cameras talking with the news reporters, laughing, checking his hair, combing his hair, and behaving very charmingly - charm is a give away for a narcissist - as it turned out he had killed his wife. When they confronted him, he showed absolutely no remorse and even denied the evidence. They explained his behaviour was due to a certain kind of narcissistic personality disorder, maybe sociopathic.

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    It hurts my feelings when people call me narcicistic.

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