Te PoLR

[XoX]

I respect the power of Te and it interests me but I never counter Te arguments with Te. I always counter them with Ti or Fe (at least I think so). Is that Te PoLR? Or is that just weak Te? And what is Te PoLR?

[MysticSonic]

I never counter Te arguments with Te either.

[vague]

[XoX]

I think one of the primary ways Te poLR manifests in myself is having little regard for the reality of the situation and the consequences that may follow from giving into current impulses. I always have an, "I'll worry about the consequences later" sort of attitude. Especially when it comes to finances.

I can identify this feature (partly) in myself until you say "especially when it comes to finances". In financial matters I'm very serious and strict and and always think of the consequences. Pretty much only when I'm drunk or in vacation having fun I can go into "who cares let's just spend" mode. This happens but it is clearly exceptional behavior. After saying this I have to admit that when younger I might have been different. Especially around age 13-18. Same thing with other impulses. Since then I have changed a lot so I'm not sure if that was type related or age related.

[Jonathan]

Sometimes I will throw out statements that I know are not necessarily true (but that the other person doesn't necessarily know aren't true) just to make the discussion more interesting. (taking something of pure speculation and presenting it as though it were pure truth)...I think one of the primary ways Te poLR manifests in myself is having little regard for the reality of the situation and the consequences that may follow from giving into current impulses. I always have an, "I'll worry about the consequences later" sort of attitude. Especially when it comes to finances.

Wow. You mean, people really do this on purpose? That is one of the most annoying things. I mean it's one thing to speculate and present theories...I love to do that...and I can understand eating too much chocolate or procrastinating balancing the checkbook, or being a little sloppy with finances.

But to actually pretend you know something, and to ignore the consequences of big financial decisions...I mean, not even to think about what would be the smart thing to do? That's really something...

[Creepy-]

In arguments I always play devil's advocate. Some people are amused, other are incredibly annoyed. I happen to think that people shouldn't discount possibilities even if they disagree with them.

What function is that?

Also, I can be extremely aggressive when arguing (probably suggests that I am not using an ego or superid function).

[Creepy-]

Also, countering arguments with is generally pointless. You'd want to counter it with empirical evidence (so basically a perceiving function) that falsifies it or supports a contrasting idea.

[porntips]

Or counter it with . If their argument is invalid, it doesn't matter whether or not their premises are true.
Or use to create a nice analogy.

[Rocky]

Also, countering arguments with is generally pointless. You'd want to counter it with empirical evidence (so basically a perceiving function) that falsifies it or supports a contrasting idea.

Don't forget that arguments should be avoided at all costs and simply ignored.

[Angel von Himmel]

Actually, alone are totally pointless ... I mean, who can have a debate where people are constantly trying to correct each others logic? ... Insane.

[indigoroom]

And what is Te PoLR?

Te PoLR = empty bank account. or if it sounds better - the starving artist thing

[Creepy-]

And what is Te PoLR?

Te PoLR = empty bank account. or if it sounds better - the starving artist thing

I like the idea of being a starving artist!

[schrödinger's cat]

This thread has let me realize that my in-laws have all of them Te PoLR.

My sister-in-law bought herself a house. She was jobless at a time and the house was in a small village at the back of beyond, where no jobs could be had. It was so rickety and rundown that she had to put a lot of effort into repairing it. She had a bad back at the time. Now she's married and moved in with her husband and has to sell the house. She can't find any buyers, naturally. When she talks about it, she sounds surprised and offended. -- My husband had a colleague who also did that. She constantly did stuff that backfired, and then she talked about it as if it's a blow dealt her by fate, something unfair and unforeseeable, something that is not her fault at all. It was like she was unable to see the connection between her own action and their results. Is that Te PoLR?

My brother-in-law owns a flat. One day he decided he'd love an extra window in his kitchen. So he made a hole through the wall. He was very surprised when the neighbours were mad at him. The bricks could have fallen into the inner courtyard of the house, and he'd not arranged for any safety measures - not even a post-it-note on the door saying "mind your head". The authorities also harrumphed a bit, since he'd not asked for planning permnission. He was surprised at that too. Somehow it all worked out. This is the guy who, as a kid, tried to make his own gunpowder and used his Mum's coffee grinder for this. It blew up and blackened the wood. He painted it yellow to cover it all up. His Mum never found out. He often did chemical experiments and his parents ended up keeping the fire extinguisher right outside his room.

All of my in-laws constantly have great ideas of one kind or another, and it's like someone here said... "oh, why bother about all those pesky little details, let's just DO IT, yay!" - and off they go, plunging themselves head-first into stuff that makes me want to yell "nonoNO! watch OUT! Gaaaah!!" Usually, though, they muddle through some way or the other and emerge on the other side all hale and hearty: "Why, were you a little nervous?"

Their T-shirts should read "causality is for whimps".

[Expat]

The first case - buying the house that was obviously a dud - is definitely something my father could have done. He had PoLR as an ISFp.

However, I can't imagine him ever doing anything like the window work you described since he was very handy in such things. His problems with , apart from investments, were with programming VCRs, understanding the general principles of how a car works (while being very skilled in very specific small fix-ups) and the like.

So perhaps your sister-in-law is ISFp, and your brother-in-law, INFp?

[XoX]

The first case - buying the house that was obviously a dud - is definitely something my father could have done. He had PoLR as an ISFp.

What is the difference (functionally speaking) of these approaches:
- "I have no understanding (=no ability to evaluate) if this house is a bad investment or not but I like it so I will buy it" and
- "Ok, the house looks like a bad investment but I don't care because I love it and I want it!".

The first one doesn't understand the consequences well but still goes on with the purchase (Te PoLR?), the second is impulsive, optimistic and doesn't care about the future problems i.e. believes they can be solved later (Se behavior? SeFi behavior?). Or?

[schrödinger's cat]

@Expat: I'm almost sure my sister-in-law is an INFp. I'd definitely say she's more Ni than Si. I was annoyed when it turned out my daughter was due to be born on a day that was the anniversary of my mother-in-law's death - I was afraid we'd get something like "oh yes, the little one is a lot like Mum... and she was born on the anniversary of Mum's death [meaningful look]". She's very into symbols, deeper underlying meanings, and a dark sort of romanticism. She was a goth for a long time and still looks a bit like one. Long black hair, red lipstick, pale skin, black clothes, likes medieval things. Stormy emotions. She cut herself and often has moodswings totally out of the blue, where she can be intensely hurtful by saying very subtle, seemingly harmless things. She's very quiet, though, in a way: she rather smiles than laughs, and she rarely raises her voice. If she likes you and is in a good mood, she can also make you feel good very easily. It all looks INFp to me. If you want to know what she looks like, just recall Ishy's old avatar or look at her new South Park cartoon. Even the inscription on ishy's old avatar is correct. My sister-in-law often says "I hate you" to people.

My brother-in-law is withdrawn, likes doing his own thing, has some very pronounced specialist interests (chemistry and mineralogy) and loves to try out new things. He got the address of a mail-order company that sells herbs and spent 200 Euros on herbs. He's also trying to grow piri-piris. He's usually very quiet, unless you get him going on a topic that interests him - then he can talk and talk and talk. He hates stormy emotions and conflict and avoids it if he can. Meaning: he usually avoids his sister. When he visits at home and she's there too, he often drives home earlier than he intended, for that very reason. I'm wondering if he could be INTp. In that case he won't have Te PoLR. Perhaps his Te is more unworldly than concerned with bricks, planning permissions, and the effects of friction on a stuff that goes bang when it's exposed to heat?

[Expat]

@schrödinger's cat: your brother-in-law sounds more like ISTp to me, which would make him and his INFp sister super-egos, which makes sense.

In his case, I think his problem is not PoLR but weak and , or perhaps non-type-related stupidity.

@XoX:

The first one doesn't understand the consequences well but still goes on with the purchase (Te PoLR?), the second is impulsive, optimistic and doesn't care about the future problems i.e. believes they can be solved later (Se behavior? SeFi behavior?). Or?

Yeah I think that's right.

[Scrummy]

offends me.

That said, I actually find that is always there no matter what. He's a little voice that lives in the back of my mind. He's mean. He's tactless. He's cold. He's cynical. He's unbending. He says things that I would never let come out of my mouth for fear the person Mr. Te's yammering at finds him just as objectionable as I do. I've tried to suppress him all I can. Whenever I let him out, bad things happen. People are shocked. "How can our chummy old Auvi be so fucking mean?" I then give Mr. Te a good thorough beat down - there's no place for his tactless prickery in this world, I scream. Years of this abuse seem only to have made him more brawny and callous.

Usually some ILI or LIE tunes into Mr. Te and gives him a vehicle anyway, without consequence.

[Typeless Wonder]

Whenever I let him out, bad things happen. People are shocked. "How can our chummy old Auvi be so fucking mean?"

OMG, I so totally relate to that, of how our Te darkside can suddenly charge forward! I can always tell when I'm dealing with someone with dominant Te because they can't resist the temptation to tell you how to do everything and do it in such a matter that makes you feel totally disrespected. They're like an aggressive backseat driver that just can't stop telling you how to get somewhere and do it in such a demeaning manner that you eventually tell them to fuck off and stuff the comments at which point they get huffy puffy and the big fight ensues. Many people with dominant Te don't seem to understand that some of us would rather go at our own pace and figure everything out for ourselves.