Results 1 to 16 of 16

Thread: Walt Whitman

  1. #1
    Park's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Beyond the blue horizon
    TIM
    SLI
    Posts
    13,088
    Mentioned
    164 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Walt Whitman

    American poet, best known for his "Leaves of Grass".

    Walt Whitman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Goodreads Quotes
    Wikiquote









    Last edited by silke; 11-15-2014 at 05:03 AM. Reason: updated links
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

  2. #2
    wants to be a writer. silverchris9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    3,107
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Did I ever tell you what I thought? I think you messaged me about this a while ago and I never responded... I tend to do that. Sorry.

    Anyway, I used to argue that he was an IEI who made up an SLE persona (the speaker of Song of Myself), but that was when I was young and foolish. I'm kidding. I'm still young and foolish. And I will never stop being young and foolish. But anyway, I'm not sure about that now. I think it's pretty clear that he's an ethical type, and Si-ego does sort of make sense, because of his subjectivizing of the physical world. Meh. But regardless, he's the best.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

    Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...

    I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.

  3. #3
    Dance Magic Dance CloudCuckooLander's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    154
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I always took Whitman for an SEI-Fe.

  4. #4
    Kim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    TIM
    IEE e7 783 sx so
    Posts
    6,857
    Mentioned
    380 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    IEE
    “Let us forget with generosity those who cannot love us”
    ― Pablo Neruda

  5. #5
    Haikus
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    MI
    TIM
    IEI-Ni
    Posts
    10,060
    Mentioned
    223 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    homosexual. had a brief encounter with oscar wilde, though they didn't like themselves enough to stick it out and try out a relationship. Self-hating gays were much more common back then, and you saw little of any actual homosexuals conserving and courting each other in public, both men were probably much more enthralled by teenage heterosexual males who got in trouble with the law. Though still there was a kindred spirit there.

    he seems awfully sweet. Just like a fag. =)

  6. #6
    Logos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    5,406
    Mentioned
    8 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Perhaps IEI. Just an initial impression.
    "Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Johari Box

  7. #7
    Haikus
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Berlin
    TIM
    LSI 5w6 sx/so
    Posts
    5,421
    Mentioned
    144 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    SEI or SEE

    I don't like his poetry, it's too simple, but I respect him for his political attitudes.

  8. #8
    silke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    TIM
    Ni-IEI sx/sp
    Posts
    3,813
    Mentioned
    318 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)

    Default

    SLI sx/so would be my guess. he's flying pretty high up there as per his stacking. sounds irrational, Fi-valuing otherwise. there's a sense of urgency and a doer attitude about him which makes intuitive types such as IEI the less likely choices for him.

    “Whatever satisfies the soul is truth.” (Fi hidden agenda?)
    “Do I contradict myself? Very well, then, I contradict myself; I am large -- I contain multitudes.” (Ti-devaluing? + introverted irrational re: containing multitudes)
    “I have learned that to be with those I like is enough” (Fi of the "passive" inert sort)
    “I sound my barbaric yawp over the rooftops of the world.” (doesn't sound very IEI)
    “Happiness, not in another place but this place...not for another hour, but this hour.”
    “If you done it, it ain't bragging.”
    “Afoot and lighthearted I take to the open road, healthy, free, the world before me.”
    Last edited by silke; 12-15-2014 at 10:12 AM.

  9. #9
    Haikus
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Berlin
    TIM
    LSI 5w6 sx/so
    Posts
    5,421
    Mentioned
    144 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    I guess Sx/so (fair enough for his time). He creeps me out with his randomness, naturalness, and spontaneity poetry.


    I can't even stand going through this stream of "sensations" --- could be Si base.


    SPONTANEOUS me, Nature,
    The loving day, the mounting sun, the friend I am happy with,
    The arm of my friend hanging idly over my shoulder,
    The hill-side whiten'd with blossoms of the mountain ash,
    The same, late in autumn--the hues of red, yellow, drab, purple, and
    light and dark green,
    The rich coverlid of the grass--animals and birds--the private
    untrimm'd bank--the primitive apples--the pebble-stones,
    Beautiful dripping fragments--the negligent list of one after
    another, as I happen to call them to me, or think of them,
    (...).

  10. #10
    Glorious Member mu4's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Mind
    Posts
    7,966
    Mentioned
    568 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)

    Default

    IEE imo

  11. #11
    Olly From Wally World's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Wally World
    Posts
    822
    Mentioned
    52 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    I don't know much of him but I remember him and dickens were name dropped in Naranjo's subtype description of social 7.

    "Social: Service. More ambitious, Six-ish, willing to accept limitations in service of recognition; also veryhelpful/giving of love in search of recognition; sweetness in exchange for service. Creating an imaginary
    "perfectionism" (Dickens almost killed himself with hard work). "Good people," do-gooders. Echoes the
    Two a bit, "seducing" the world. A bit of an Epicurean, a sense of sensationalism (Walt Whitman).
    Monkey mind."

  12. #12
    Haikus
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Berlin
    TIM
    LSI 5w6 sx/so
    Posts
    5,421
    Mentioned
    144 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    Lmao if Whitman is not Sx/so ...I don't know who is.... Puritan poets?



    I mind how we lay in June, such a transparent summer morning;
    You settled your head athwart my hips and gently turned over upon me,
    And parted the shirt from my bosom-bone, and plunged your tongue to my barestript heart,
    And reached till you felt my beard, and reached till you held my feet. (..)

    Smile O voluptuous coolbreathed earth!
    Earth of the slumbering and liquid trees!
    Earth of departed sunset! Earth of the mountains misty-topt!
    Earth of the vitreous pour of the full moon just tinged with blue!
    Earth of shine and dark mottling the tide of the river!
    Earth of the limpid gray of clouds brighter and clearer for my sake!
    Far-swooping elbowed earth! Rich apple-blossomed earth!
    Smile, for your lover comes!




    Probably E7 (his openness to free verse fits)
    Last edited by Amber; 11-15-2014 at 06:56 PM.

  13. #13
    Kim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    TIM
    IEE e7 783 sx so
    Posts
    6,857
    Mentioned
    380 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    IEE e7 sx/so (that is, my identical in ALL THE THINGS).

    Well, less sure of the stackings, but certainly IEE e7
    “Let us forget with generosity those who cannot love us”
    ― Pablo Neruda

  14. #14
    Park's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Beyond the blue horizon
    TIM
    SLI
    Posts
    13,088
    Mentioned
    164 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default



    “This is what you shall do; Love the earth and sun and the animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown or to any man or number of men, go freely with powerful uneducated persons and with the young and with the mothers of families, read these leaves in the open air every season of every year of your life, re-examine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency not only in its words but in the silent lines of its lips and face and between the lashes of your eyes and in every motion and joint of your body.”

    “I think I could turn and live with animals, they're so placid and self-contained,
    I stand and look at them and long.
    They do not sweat and whine about their condition.
    They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins.
    They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
    Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of owning things,
    Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of years ago,
    Not one is respectable or unhappy over the earth.”
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

  15. #15
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    TIM
    f a g g o t
    Posts
    387
    Mentioned
    12 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Don't get where everyone's getting IEE from. He used an abundance of sensory detail in his poetry.

    ESI is my guess.

  16. #16
    Park's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Beyond the blue horizon
    TIM
    SLI
    Posts
    13,088
    Mentioned
    164 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Walt Whitman

    Kim & mu4 = everyone?

    Why Se? The "abundance of sensory detail" he uses is very personal and self-relatable. It appeals to the subjectivization and internalization of what is being perceived through the senses and processed by the mind.
    Last edited by Park; 11-17-2014 at 11:50 PM.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •