WorkaholicsAnon wanted to know if i had any tips for typing people. I wrote out a long PM and thought i might as well post here to get discussion going. Hopefully it stimulates/helps someone. And no, im not returing to this forum lol
Hey there! Pleasure to meet you.
First off, im certinally no expert. I haven't actually given socionics a lot of thought for a year or so. I just use it passively when something jumps out at me, and im really enjoying that. I think Rick has mentioned that kind of does the same nowdays. At a wedding a few weeks ago, an ENTp friend asked me what type i thought his new girlfriend was. I told him i was unsure, but in truth i didn't want to know. Unfortunatly for me im almost sure she is an ESFj. The bride and groom were INTp and ENTj. Is an activity and a mirror relation a good thing? i just am not sure i should meddle in things like this. My telling him could cause something to happen that otherwise shouldn't have. Anyway, firstly, i think it would be important to figure out your type. I was lucky, my type seemed bleedingly obvious from the beginning. Ive had a quick skim of your posts, and i suspect you are indeed an IEE. Typing this way is definately not my strength though. And that point is very important. Perhaps all types should use their strengths to type people. For us it is and . For others, perhaps and Vi is very effective. Ive noticed that people like Expat can type historical figures very well, as he makes use of the Time function and his logic. Perhaps an INFj can use their often finely tuned ability to know how they feel about someone to type very accurately.
If you are not an IEE, then typing my way would not be ideal. Firstly, i dont think i can tell you any magic bullet for typing. For me, prototypes have came from following socionics for quite some time now. I do firmly belive in another 5 years, it will be possible to type almost everyone. IEE often has a flash of insight when looking at someone. Its instant, and ive always had this skill. Im not sure if its all ENFp's, or all subtypes. Its a subtle feeling, but there is a lot of information you can gain on a first glance. Its very much like what Malcom gladwell talks about in his book "Blink". This is our Ne. The longer any types follow socionics, the better they will typically become. I am certian this can be trained and that you will learn it in time.
For example, when you look at someone, you can look at their clothes. They tell a huge amount. Posture, body language, facial features and expressions/how expressive they are, where they are standing. I never really believed in Vi, but i have seen patterns of smiles, micro expressions on people's faces that i cannot deny. I think its highly likely that Fe dominant types could use this information to type very effectively. Take a look at the FACE and METT systems. They involve reading facial expressions and micro expressions, and i think this skill/information could be very very useful but it would require dedication. What is the person saying / doing. Voice tone/innotation. Are they kind, do they appear to have well developed logic? How reactive they are to others? Taking into account the context the person is in (airport, cafe, bar etc). Hair styles. All this information, and more is available straight away. Then you can also make use of based information. How do you feel about them, do you like their face or do they annoy you almost instantly? How do they react to you. Who are they friends with? This is often a huge hint for typing someone. For me, this is my solidifier. If they are a member of a group of others who I have typed, they are likely to be that quadra as well. You have to be careful, but in this way you can build a very wide network of people who's types you know, and with good confidence. The more people who's type you know, the more chances you will get to gather information when someone is interacting with them. People are both repelled and drawn to others like gravity, and if you know what to look for, this will be very helpful. For example an INTp might be sitting next to someone, but who are they giving most attention to? Who are they looking at the most. Bearing in mind that people have good and bad moments etc.
Now, as to the individual types, i find this harder to explain. I have identified countless numbers of each type, but i still find it hard to quantify what it is im noticing. I think my Ne is putting all the small peices ive described above into a coherant whole. ISTp's are often a brooding kind of type. If i see a girl with a almost sullen/serious type of facial expression, i become interested. Are they wearing sporting type of clothes, thats a great sign. Or ISTp women characteristicly wear floral type of dresses. I know it sounds crazy, but trust me on this one. A conversation with said person can reveal a huge amount of info, if you only just listen. What job are they doing? Mechanic, doctor, economics, engineer, night shift worker, nurse? Ive seen all these quite a few times before, store it away. Do you enjoy speaking to this person? ISTp guys often love talking about the destruction of human kind / conspiracy stuff like that. Some of them get very loud when intoxicated. The women i work with tend to enjoy when i have a laugh with them and dont take things seriously (i suppose all types do this haha). Ive came across a number with peircings, and two with those black circle dooflickies in their ears. ISTp girls often really are hard and wild, and boy is that sexy. Once you have typed a few people, it becomes far easier. Your aim is to view the types as having a soft malleable outer layer that has been influenced by their experiences and their upbringing, with a hard internal shell which processes information in set and specific ways (imho).
ISTj's... My dad is an LSI and i know a number of them. I type them in a more simplistic manner. They will have a serious look often, but its harsher in some way. It just repells me a little. Talking to them does not go as smoothly. Their lack of Fi means that they can say things in a confident tone that annoys you very quickly. The men really are manly men and it could be intimidating to some degree. The women might have short croppped type of hair. ISFj's can have a similar hair do, they can sometimes appear a little anxious. Just like wasserface from Twilight. But not always of course. When you read body language you take things in clusters, you are setting sail for fail if you look at any individual sign as being too important. Typing people for me is best done like this aswell, once you have enough characteristics that fit the type then you can wonder about the outlier behaviours that confuse you.
There is something else that i cannot quite quantify. All functions have a feeling about them but words will not suffice. If you look at Robert Downey Jr, he is a typical ENTp. The character he plays in Iron man is one aswell. Intelligent, unpredictable, fun loving and non serious, sometimes egotistical etc. When you look at him, perhaps the way he looks through his eyes there is a hawkish type of appearance. Ive seen ENFp's eyes actually appear to glow a light blue on occasion, including my own (blue eyes of course). Scarlett Johansen is a typical Si type. She is sensual, you could cut the Si in the air when she is around like butter. She is an ISFp. Thats why Iron man is attracted to her. ISTp's have a more toned down Si to me, tempered by logic rather than feeling. They appear serious, yet controlled. Even if i show signs of anxiety / uncomfortableness, it does not show up on their faces. They suck it in like a black hole, and that is highly theraputic. Strangely, often i dont have a lot to say to ISTp's. They love talking about relationships and getting advice, but they are often interested in very different things. They are sensors, they are into drinking, women, sport, parties, tv, good food etc. While im in to those things to some degree, i find other intuitives share my interests more. We follow quirkly lines of thinking and enjoy a different types of humour. Every now and then though i will connect to an ISTp and it truly is a great feeling, better than connecting with other types i can assure you of that. I do have reason to believe that i find it a little difficult to connect to ISTp's for more personal reasons, so this might not be a problem for other ENFp's.
Ok for the last part ive just rambled. Feel free to ask any questions and i will try to answer. Its quite funny as the feeling and understanding is in my brain but i need to spend a lot of time trying to break it down into its component peices. Ne does it all very quickly. A systematic approach needs to be taken to identifiy as many signs as possible but im an ENFp so the chances of that happening are zero