Type-related?
Type-related?
Hmm... I think I'm less this way than I used to be.
That would make my answer yes and no, so I won't vote.
I do think that it has a lot to do with what area you're competing in, though.
LII-Ne
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Johari
Germany has declared war on the Jones boys.
Ok, first of all, I don't even like the Jonas brothers, so I don't feel this question applies to me.
What a ridiculous poll, you need to grow up and free your mind from this stuff Soap.
And I thought you were educated
I've known people of a lot of types like this: ESI, SEE, ESE, hmm LIE, LSI, probably tons more. I'm thinking if it is at all type related, it's probably only marginally so.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I don't even know who the Joneses are. But then again, I wear my dressing gown as casual wear.
It seems like valuing Se could give a tendancy toward that in some people, but there are non-Socionics issues that it seems like could influence it as well, such as the values of the people around you. You don't care about keeping up with the Joneses unless the Joneses are worried about competition as well, generally. Competition seems fairly contagious. But I will say that my husband and I are not like that, and looking at my list it's mainlly Se-valuing people, isn't it? And even the ESE could be mistyped and could be an EIE. I'm not sure about him. His wife is LII but I can't assume they're duals.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I don't know. But there's one helluva lot of it in Atlanta. It depends on what social segment they're in, and how much disposable income they have.
I like well-designed anything, but I don't accumulate it to show my superiority over those who don't have them, or one-up my next-door neighbor.
IEE
I do pay attention to that kind of thing (in the sense that I'm observant to how other people take it), but my strivings in life are far from things like that... I mind my own business and I'm happy for my own achievements and progress. I can feel genuinely happy for other people too, especially for those I feel as close, but I rarely feel the need to compare/measure/whatever myself with them. So that's never a motive for me. And I would say that I often feel despise towards people who are like that.
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“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
Well, assuming you've read one or two things in your studying and assuming you've met various people, i'd have thought you'd have realised that personality comes in all forms.Originally Posted by soaps
I suppose the only explanation I can think of is you haven't thought this through, but fair enough if you still want to ask the question. Perhaps eventually you'll realise it's a poor way of application, but, I let it rest.
Apologies if you somehow took offence at my comment *shrug*.
Edit: Damn, I voted by accident.
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The way it's phrased it implies trying to beat others in consumerism, especially when it's impractical and/or you can't afford it. I would suspect it might be related to weak Te, but probably there are people like that of any type.
What I mean is, you might be asking about a different thing but people are going to understand it in a way it relates (or not) to themselves. Also, some are judging others in this way simply because they don't understand the purpose or usefulness of something (so they accuse them of "just following fashion"). So even if what you mean - or something different but what you understood in your way - is Se-related, posing the question this way doesn't work.
Yes there is... probably in any major city. Or everywhere...?
I'm the same. I like having nice things bc they're nice [good quality, etc.] but the idea of one-upping other people w possessions, etc. seems odd and pointless to me. And kind of mean, depending on how it's done.I like well-designed anything, but I don't accumulate it to show my superiority over those who don't have them, or one-up my next-door neighbor.
Actually this reminds me of something -- I buy a lot of my clothes at thrift stores [oh the thrill of finding amazing, like-new clothes for two or three dollars!], but bc I want to rather than have to [although I often joke that I'm a poor grad student, and I certainly don't have money to burn]. But I would never carry a designer purse w me into, say, Goodwill, bc I would feel like a jerk carrying it there when there are people shopping at the store who really can't afford anything else. Maybe it's just me being a weirdo w my odd guilt complex, but it really wouldn't feel right. Eh, that was off-topic...
That is pretty much what I was thinking of, actually. And the weak Te thing is interesting...
Yeah, I see what you're saying; it probably would have been better if I had given an example or something. The reason I phrased it that way is that the person who inspired me to make the thread sees it as a "quest." I do know someone else, though, who is all about keeping up with/beating others, but she's sort of quiet about it, not loud/like she's on a public quest to win.What I mean is, you might be asking about a different thing but people are going to understand it in a way it relates (or not) to themselves. Also, some are judging others in this way simply because they don't understand the purpose or usefulness of something (so they accuse them of "just following fashion"). So even if what you mean - or something different but what you understood in your way - is Se-related, posing the question this way doesn't work.
Mostly I just wondered people's opinion on whether it's Se-related or just not type-related or what...
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I actually voted the wrong one by accident.
Can you think of anyone who would be entirely comfortable with the idea of for instance, all his friends doing better in life than themself? The desire for acquisition isn't entirely type related.
OK, look at it this way, say I want to date a girl, and i'm like, well, everyone you know and everyone I know is doing better than me, well, you'd need to be pretty lucky to land a good catch.
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I think I might have to reconsider my vote on this thing. I voted that I don't much care about this thing/non SE valuer, when in reality, I do care somewhat. However, I generally feel like I don't care enough to put myself in the I strive for this sort of thing category. Why can't more polls have a it depends option?
I guess why I voted I don't care that much is because I perceive keeping up with the Joneses as keeping up with material things, which in general I'm not that concerned about.
However, I tend to compare myself to others a lot in non-material areas. I envy those who have more intelligence or more talent in an area that's important to me. I envy those with more charisma. I envy those who have accomplished more in life than I have.
When a peer gets a job promotion, I envy that. I don't envy that my peer is making more money and can buy more cool shiny things. What I'm envying is her level of job success compared to mine.
I guess when it comes to it, there are a small number of material things I envy in other people. Not fancy cars or designer clothes but for example, I do envy people who have the money to be able to travel the world. I'd love to be able to do that but I've only got a part-time job and I don't make alot of money. Heck, I even find it straining to spend gas money on a day trip. I envy to some degree people who have full-time jobs and make more money than I do. Not for the things money can buy them but for the the ability to be able to afford to do what interests them. Here's a good example:
I belong to a local enneagram group and a couple of times a year there are workshops put on by experts in the field. I'd love to be able to go to one of these workshops but I can't afford to pay the $200. At the last meeting, I found out that almost everyone in the group was going to hear Russ Hudson speak but I couldn't go because I couldn't afford it. I was kind of depressed about that.
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