Type test idea

[krieger]

I have an idea for a very simple quadra test. The test would tell you what quadra you are and nothing beyond this.

The idea is to simply display the images of people that have been typed reasonably accurately at random and to ask the observer to rate their level of subjective attraction to the person in the image. High attraction ratings would increase a value representing the likelihood of the person being in the same quadra as the person in the image. Low attraction ratings would decrease said value.

The reason why such a test would be useful is because it circumvents a lot of the problems with the unreliability of self-report. The test would largely operate of subconscious evaluations (attraction) and thus defy the thought process by which a person tries to "convince themselves" they are one type or another.

A good place to start would be to take Rick's typings and images in the celebrity section of his website.

Do people here generally feel that typing by means of visual assesments of attraction works? Subjectively, I think it does in my case. I find it hard to even look at a picture with a conflictor of mine in it.

[Jarno]

I think it works for some people. I've heard remarks that people find themselves attracted or repulsed based on quarda or types.

For me personally, I've never found it usefull. But could just be me...

[krieger]

Just to clarify:

The idea would also involve several means of comparing results to standards, so that certain pitfalls are avoided...

For example, certain people will, on the whole, be rated as more attractive than others. Hence, the real attractiveness rating of any particular observer is the degree to which they rate the person more attractive than the average person does.

Also some observers will use extreme ratings (a loto f 1s, 2s, 3s, 8s and 9s), whereas some use more moderate ratings. So the rating should be made in terms of standard deviations off the mean of the observer's results. This means that if the highest rating a person ever provides is 6, that should be interpreted as their "best" rating as much as any other person's 10 would be.

Just a matter of using the right set of statistical tools. Shouldn't be a big deal.

[The Exception]

I don't think such a test would work for me. Looking at photos of so-called SEEs, I don't find them more attractive or repulsive than any other type. Ditto for any other type.

I am highly sensitive to facial expressions, but I think that's more based on someone's current mood, rather than socionic type. If someone has a facial expression that looks overly hostile or "don't mess with me" it does negatively affect my interaction with that person. As hard as I try not to be biased based on expressions, sometimes I get these strong hunches that are confirmed. I will say that certain types may me more prone to certain facial expressions or certain 'vibes' but its not a hard and fast rule.

[DirectorAbbie]

I don't think such a test would work for me.

Same here for the most part.

[Brilliand]

I think this would only help someone who didn't have any need for Socionics... it basically forces Socionics to agree with their preconceived ideas.

[xerx]

I like women with big tits.

[krieger]

If someone has a facial expression that looks overly hostile or "don't mess with me" it does negatively affect my interaction with that person.

This contradicts your earlier statement that you don't find Se types any less attractive than others. Like I said, the level of subjective attraction is measured. The question would be something along the lines of "do you expect to get along with the person" or something like that. Also standardization is used to avoid having the objective attractiveness of the person affect the results. The level of attraction is the degree to which people rate the person more attractive than others do.

I think this would only help someone who didn't have any need for Socionics... it basically forces Socionics to agree with their preconceived ideas.

This is exactly it, though. People never need socionics in a strict sense. Intuition does everything socionics does and does it better. Socionics just puts technical terms to what we already know in a more carnal way.

[xerx]

I like women with big tits.

Although the most beautiful woman I ever saw was definitely SEI. She was a nude model, seemed extremely refined and sophisticated and looked gorgeous.

I only have a passing attraction to other types no matter how objectively attractive they are.


@labcoat, for this idea to work the person would have to be subjected to lots of photographs of attractive people and rank them in order from most beautiful to least beautiful.

[krieger]

Looking at photos of so-called SEEs, I don't find them more attractive or repulsive than any other type.

I find these ESFps to look positively creepy. Are you really telling me you don't?











Their gaze is invasive. Their hair is puffy, like it would itch all over if I just touch it once.

Seriously. This thing works on me. It work extremely well.

[Absurd]

Those pics are funny.

Especially this:

And this one:

[krieger]

Even ESFPs would find those people disturbing.

Can we check?

The question is only whether they would find them more or less disturbing than the average person. Like I said: standardization.

[Absurd]

So much for the test, labcoat.

[JohnDo]

Yes, it would help a lot I think. But it will be hard to implement. The most attractive women I've ever seen are Se-ESFjs. Unfortunately, I guess I've never seen an Se-ESFj in real life...

Alexandra Neldel, German actor, Se-ESFj


LaFee, German singer, Se-ESFj

[krieger]

JohnDo, since you say you believe this idea works, would it convince you that I am INTj if I said the ESFp pics I posted look creepy to me and both ESFjs you posted look incredibly attractive?

[Aiss]

JohnDo, since you say you believe this idea works, would it convince you that I am INTj if I said the ESFp pics I posted look creepy to me and both ESFjs you posted look incredibly attractive?

You haven't normalized them for overall attractiveness.

[krieger]

The question is just whether he buys it.

[JohnDo]

JohnDo, since you say you believe this idea works, would it convince you that I am INTj if I said the ESFp pics I posted look creepy to me and both ESFjs you posted look incredibly attractive?

Let's see...

Choose 3 of the following women to sleep with. If your choice is correct I accept that you are INTj...

[krieger]

Sorry, I get too many conflicting signs. Do you have any other pictures?

[JohnDo]

What? I don't understand your problem. Just answer the question. The pictures I chose are definitely useful here...

[xerx]

Using socionics to gauge beauty might be better than objective measures currently in effect.

BBC News - Perfect face dimensions measured

For what it's worth, I don't think Shania Twain is anywhere near the most attractive woman ever and the two girls that John Do posted are much more attractive.

[krieger]

What? I don't understand your problem. Just answer the question. The pictures I chose are definitely useful here...

My answer is that I don't strongly feel more attracted to one or another. You want me to obfuscate my response by making a choice? It would be all but random.

[JohnDo]

Now it's getting complicated. Which woman do you like better?

[krieger]

Slightly to the right. It would be irrational to hang me for answering wrong on a single question.

[JohnDo]

My answer is that I don't strongly feel more attracted to one or another. You want me to obfuscate my response by making a choice? It would be all but random.

That can't be true. I chose:
- 2 ESFjs and 2 ESFps
- 1 ISFp and 1 ISTj.

So it should be very easy to choose....

[JohnDo]

Slightly to the right. It would be irrational to hang me for answering wrong on a single question.

Wrong answer. I type Angela Merkel as INTj, Ursula von der Leyen as ENTj.

[krieger]

Merkel is objectively unattractive. You also have no indication that your typings are dependable. This exercise is futile.

[JohnDo]

Merkel is objectively unattractive. You also have no indication that your typings are dependable. This exercise is futile.

That's why the question was tricky: Merkel is unattractive and von der Leyen is attractive, yes. But as an INTj you should like Merkel better...

[JohnDo]

Now an easy question. Which woman would you like to sleep with? Both are German (so that you don't know them), both are very attractive. They only differ in one dichotomy. If you can't answer this question you are not INTj...
5 pics each should make it an easy choice...

[krieger]

If you can't answer this question you are not INTj...

If you were some divine authority on socionics, maybe. Unfortunately for you, this is not the case. This is another set of pics where I am "meh" about both of them. And it's questionable whether you typed them correctly to begin with.

[JohnDo]

If there is a correlation, it is interesting. I just doubt it.



I am not INTj and not a man, but I find woman 1 and 3 the most beautiful, 4 less attractive, 5 the most interesting, while 2 and 6 seem boring. Does that prove anything?

I prefer Merkel to the other woman.

As for the last question - the two women, I don't like any of them.

You are most likely alpha quadra then...
1 and 3 - ESFj
2 and 4 - ESFp
5 - ISFp
6 - ISTj

At least I think so...

You said "5 the most interesting" - it is the same woman as number 1 in the last question.

[Beautiful sky]

Julia Roberts ISTj? In my opinion she is Delta NF.

She is INFp per VI.

[krieger]

Julia Roberts ISTj? In my opinion she is Delta NF.

Called ENTj by Rick. Great demonstration of what is wrong with this approach.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

Removed at User Request

[JohnDo]

Let's type Julia Roberts...
Rick DeLong: ENTj
Sergei Ganin: ISTj
Maritsa: INFp
ananke: ENFp or INFj

Great demonstration of what is wrong with this approach.

Yes, type diagnosis is still the weak spot of socionics...

Angela Merkel is ISTj all the way.

She is INTj without a doubt...

[Beautiful sky]

Called ENTj by Rick. Great demonstration of what is wrong with this approach.

Rick can't type himself let alone celebritites.

[krieger]

Like blaming games are going to make this any easier...

[Timeless]

...I like the idea.

[RSV3]

I think this methodology is theoretically sound and maybe someone should look into implementing it. Of course, the reliability of the test is contingent on a few things--one being that the individuals in the images are actually typed correctly (a BIG IF). And as someone mentioned previously, the attractiveness of the images between the quadras would have to be normalized somehow. Other than that, I agree with the underlying premise that people are generally more attracted to others in their same quadra.

Additionally, why limit this methodology to merely placing someone in a quadra? Couldn't it be taken further (i.e., it is a reasonable assumption that people would be more attracted to images of their dual than say, their mirror)?

[Timeless]

I just thought about this:

How about having just a general visual based test period?

Instead of just (it can include) having attractive quadra members, what about adding something like:

Who would you most likely hang out with?

a)
b)
c)
d)

What do you find more funny?

a)
b)
c)
d)

What's the fun date?

a)
b)
c)
d)

etc.

... Not those examples specifically, but the principle: something that symbolizes the quadra values.