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  • an unverified personality type theory like MBTI

    9 25.71%
  • a psychological theory like the concept of personality disorders

    8 22.86%
  • a philosophical system like buddhism

    2 5.71%
  • pseudoscience like astrology

    1 2.86%
  • protoscience like psychology 200 years ago

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  • an ideology like Marxism-Leninism

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  • a religion like Christianity

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Thread: Nature of Socionics

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    Default Nature of Socionics

    Please vote...

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    apparently Maritsa and I agree on this one.
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    Interesting: 8 people and 4 different answers so far...

    Most socionists probably think of socionics as
    - a psychological theory
    - or a new protoscience.

    Most MBTI practicioners probably think of socionics as
    - a type theory like MBTI
    - or pseudoscience like astrology.

    Most psychologists probably think of socionics as
    - pseudoscience like astrology.
    - or a philosophical system.


    In my opinion socionics is obviously not just a type theory like MBTI (even if MBTI practicioners may think so). It is much more sophisticated...
    Socionics is more like a philosophical system than like a psychological theory because it lacks falsifiability and empirical studies.

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    Socionics is MBTI with intertype relations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    Socionics is MBTI with intertype relations.
    MBTI has deeper and more insightful (if wronger) functional descriptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    MBTI has deeper and more insightful (if wronger) functional descriptions.
    How can you be wronger and more insightful?



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    Sarcastic input can be a source of insight, even when the input wasn't meant to be sarcastic to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    How can you be wronger and more insightful?
    Because there is an added dimension of human experience to it that isn't type related (I think mostly within the parts that closely mimic Jung's work), but which you don't get with socionics.

    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    Sarcastic input can be a source of insight, even when the input wasn't meant to be sarcastic to start.
    If you're talking about my comment in the tcaud vs xerxes thread, then all the talk of personality disorders and schizophrenia sort of brought back latent paranoid tendencies and I might have accidentally misinterpreted your intent. Er, my bad.
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    I cannot vote, since my idea of socionics is that it's a verified theory about types and interactions.

    Personality disorders is more vague then socionics. They are on a continuum and sometimes you have 2 disorders. Types are more digital and you can only have one.

    Socionics is one of the most sound theories that I've ever read about.

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    Those categories aren't really mutually exclusive.

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    Actually I've often thought of socionics as more of a personality philosophy than a psychology or science.
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    I voted protoscience cause it's a fun word.
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    These are so dumb. Hire some betas to do some real world research or dump the data already collected by the russians/whomever at our disposal right here so you can stop your wanking dumb "alpha" blabber.
    Russian marriage studies and other shit point to the reality. However since these studies could easily be horsehit, slap some scientific method on it and try again and get all the glory.
    JohnDO stop being a turd and make the hot socionics bitches gallery, its more interesting and useful than these polls.
    If your in college and studying anything related, psychology, sociology, neuroscience comission a study of socionics to prove or disprove its existence in practical applications. There are enough BULLSHIT studies already underway, this one should be a piece of cake to engineer a decent thoughful one.

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    oh and if you have the chance to work for a dating site try and make "beta" division that you use to expirement with socionics on. What a goldmine to work for match.com or eharmony or whatever if you could do that. As I've said before chemistry.com is making bank off of a shitty ass 4 person type test cobbled together from mbti, jung and other crap no reason you coulnd't replace it with socionics. Other dating websites are too small to have power enough to get decent data, socionics will be lost in a sea of garbage like the tests at okcupid.

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    lol@everyone who voted protoscience

    please tell me your mouse slipped when trying to vote for pseudoscience

    cuz it is ya know. my second choice was "unverified personality theory" but it's not my first because it's not much of a theory in the scientific sense of the word; insofar as it lacks a shred of any physical evidence and has zero predictive ability (i.e., you can't experimentally verify socionics because socionics does not make any predictions that can be verified).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    Because there is an added dimension of human experience to it that isn't type related (I think mostly within the parts that closely mimic Jung's work), but which you don't get with socionics.
    Agreed.

    It was probably invented by Delta NF's as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Say View Post
    lol@everyone who voted protoscience

    please tell me your mouse slipped when trying to vote for pseudoscience

    cuz it is ya know. my second choice was "unverified personality theory" but it's not my first because it's not much of a theory in the scientific sense of the word; insofar as it lacks a shred of any physical evidence and has zero predictive ability (i.e., you can't experimentally verify socionics because socionics does not make any predictions that can be verified).

    From my personal experience it works, but yeah, no experiments, no science.

    I feel like my best answer would be "I believe it will become a protoscience eventually."
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    Meh. Socionics can make more accurate predictions than economics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    It was probably invented by Delta NF's as well.
    Why do you suppose this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Say View Post
    it lacks a shred of any physical evidence and has zero predictive ability (i.e., you can't experimentally verify socionics because socionics does not make any predictions that can be verified).
    WHAAAAAAAT

    I'm sure many, many people can provide evidence to the contrary. Socionics can't really make detailed, specific predictions but it can make useful, general predictions about how two people will interact, for example. My roommate is in an identical relationship, for example, and I figured from the beginning that it wouldn't be the greatest relationship. They compete for the same roles and don't really fulfill each other's needs, which is exactly what socionics predicts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    WHAAAAAAAT

    I'm sure many, many people can provide evidence to the contrary. Socionics can't really make detailed, specific predictions but it can make useful, general predictions about how two people will interact, for example. My roommate is in an identical relationship, for example, and I figured from the beginning that it wouldn't be the greatest relationship. They compete for the same roles and don't really fulfill each other's needs, which is exactly what socionics predicts.
    oh ok, so when are you drafting that first paper for the peer-reviewed journal introducing this remarkable new science in psychological profiles?

    as for the low-blow on economics made by other posters, economics is indeed a distinct science from the natural sciences, but its basic tenets are effective measures of market productivity. which is inherently more useful than "i used Ne when I bought Quaker Oats as opposed to Lucky Charms"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Say View Post
    oh ok, so when are you drafting that first paper for the peer-reviewed journal introducing this remarkable new science in psychological profiles?
    As I indicated in the poll, socionics is a protoscience - meaning its subject matter is not as yet quantifiable, but nonetheless empirical (and predictive). Besides, socionics is just too obscure in English-speaking countries. I'm sure if more psychologists knew about it they would be interested in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Say View Post
    i used Ne when I bought Quaker Oats as opposed to Lucky Charms"
    Any true Ne user would buy Lucky Charms hands down.
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    I agree that one day it'll become a protoscience, after it starts getting tested. Maybe eventually move its way into cognitive psychology, because the interesting part is the information metabolism more than anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispy View Post
    Any true Ne user would buy Lucky Charms hands down.
    Si however might differ.



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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    As I indicated in the poll, socionics is a protoscience - meaning its subject matter is not as yet quantifiable, but nonetheless empirical (and predictive). Besides, socionics is just too obscure in English-speaking countries. I'm sure if more psychologists knew about it they would be interested in it.
    A lot of people suck at typing, so considering that, I limited "socionics" to only the handful of people I know to be good typers. Therefore, it is a baby half out of the vag at this point imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crispy View Post
    Any true Ne user would buy Lucky Charms hands down.
    True.
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    I'd say closest to a protoscience. I see enough that it's pretty much impossible for me to turn my back on it; I think Expat once analogized Socionics to a language, that, once you've learned to speak it, you can't just ignore what you hear. I don't think it's refined enough, and there may be some science to back it up some day, but personally I'm convinced of what I know I see.

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