You wouldn't make a great lawyer; a person is only responsible for direct comments they make; like if I said. "I blame all EII for not forgiving the people who cheat" otherwise I didn't say anything.Originally Posted by Aiss
Yes, Martisa is EII
No, Martisa is not EII
You wouldn't make a great lawyer; a person is only responsible for direct comments they make; like if I said. "I blame all EII for not forgiving the people who cheat" otherwise I didn't say anything.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Se
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Why do you derail threads? Is it to show Se? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
you step into any situation where you can FIGHT; AND ARGUE, AND ACCUSE THAT'S
Se
That is very pooorly developed Se where you're like a little kid who doesn't know how to cultivate her strenghts.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Se
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Except that's what you do. You asked for proof. . .so i'm giving it. I'm not derailing this thread. This thread is about typing you.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Why do you derail threads? Is it to show Se? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
you step into any situation where you can FIGHT; AND ARGUE, AND ACCUSE THAT'S
Se
That is very pooorly developed Se where you're like a little kid who doesn't know how to cultivate her strenghts.
Cultivate your Se otherwise you're a looose canon
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I never said I would. Only your exact words can be used against you, yet you have no problem taking others' words out of context and twisting them to serve your purpose. That is something I cannot do. Hint: it relates to considering other people's POV.
If I wanted to be typed, I would have asked for it, but I know my type very well.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Then look at your interactions with minde
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
well dont tell me that. Tell the OP.
(your post again demonstrates Se, btw)
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Everyones type here gets debated.
If schwarzenegger became a member, someone here would make a poll saying that he's IEI.
This forum consists of a bunch of noobs and losers and I'm wondering what the heck I am doing here.
Exactly, because in my case it's Se role. One's ego functions are naturally strong and dont need to be cultivated.
Se
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Aww, dont leave!! The noobs depend on you and the other veterans for better understanding. Otherwise the noobs will fall prey to the Maritsa!
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
What about feeling charitable and explaining to noobs and losers why Maritsa is Se-PoLR and Ne-creative? Might keep us from making the same mistake in the future; you can consider it a long-term investment, if you plan to stay here.
It is because you say it is. We are not allowed to question.
Se.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
ooooh, i like that idea.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
How is it to be on the other side?
The only thing that I am truly concerned about you is your emotional turbulance and how it will eat you up alive from your inside, stress you out to where you can't sleep, make you angry and volitile. Other then that, I am here to help you when you get too hard on yourself.It is because you say it is. We are not allowed to question.
Se.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
oh honey, please, don't give me that b.s. you dont have to worry about that. What gave you the idea that I was angry?
Better worry about yourself. You're the one with the untreated bipolar.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
zactly!
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Yes.
Where I come from this is called giving people a chance to speak instead of just making assumptions about them *wonders why I bother posting this...*
This is an assumption. I bet she didn't say it (if she did then not in the way you phrase it at least).Minde's: I am INFj but I want to ban and exclude Maritsa from the forum.
Edit: Sadly, considering the above post of yours I quoted, i'm beginning to wonder if maybe you are just a nasty person. I mean, fair enough if you have bad logic, fair enough if you are a bit dumb (if you are), even fair enough if you go around mis-typing everyone, but... what is there left? Making spiteful posts about a person that strikes me as a sensitive person? Socionics can't excuse it either way, neither good T nor a nice version of F, it seems.
Schwarzenegger, IEI? Great idea for a thread.
Things get easyer when not trying to focus on details like elements and try to see the pattern that the type follows. For example Labcoat and Tcaudillg can be typed by just looking at the pattern they follow: the impossible to read, technical language. I cannot pin point what word is written by their Ti or what is written by their Ne. What I do see is that they are similar to the stereotypical LII. People focus way to much on details and miss the big picture which is in front of them. Maritsa gives away a clear EII vybe in many of her posts. If you want me to explain it in terms of information elements. Then I can't, cause it isn't reliable.
sorry that's socionically unacceptable
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
speaking of which, when ae you going to give me my basic lesson in biology?
And why have you said on this thread that I could be IEE when you have also said that I can clearly VI as an ST?
IEE-Ne
Yeah, I can definitely see that being so.
I also wonder if that's why she has a hard time seeing other EIIs on the forum, because she's not familiar with how "Americans" are.
Minde is looking for, the way she asks and wants information is not at all unusual for a
dominant. If you haven't noticed, she enjoys long, detailed explanations, that Te dominants are not unaccomplished to, and which make the
It would be refreshing if you stopped blabbing about what your opinion is and tried to listen and seek explanations more.
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about maritsa...
I don't have a major issue of her being EII.
I think her feelings that she's the only EII on the forum are bogus.
She seems to use infantile, rather than victim or aggressor interpersonal tactics. I don't see her trying to use Fe on me, really. And I think what people see as Ne porl is really... some sort of mental issue or really poor teaching or training in discussing things. Sometimes her way of thinking is rewarded, I guess - a constant profusion or your ideas and belief they are right. She reminds me somewhat of Ritella's "pushy" infantileness, where she 'pushed' her problems or thoughts onto you and wanted you to deal with them.
Read the post I put up about duals and dualizing.Yeah, I can definitely see that being so.
I also wonder if that's why she has a hard time seeing other EIIs on the forum, because she's not familiar with how "Americans" are.
Minde is looking for
It would be refreshing if you stopped blabbing about what your opinion is and tried to listen and seek explanations more.
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about maritsa...
I don't have a major issue of her being EII.
I think her feelings that she's the only EII on the forum are bogus.
She seems to use infantile, rather than victim or aggressor interpersonal tactics. I don't see her trying to use Fe on me, really. And I think what people see as Ne porl is really... some sort of mental issue or really poor teaching or training in discussing things. Sometimes her way of thinking is rewarded, I guess - a constant profusion or your ideas and belief they are right. She reminds me somewhat of Ritella's "pushy" infantileness, where she 'pushed' her problems or thoughts onto you and wanted you to deal with them.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
ahem post #73
IEE-Ne
hehe yeah. but then you restrict yourself to just looking at it the hard way.sorry that's socionically unacceptable
Women over there (I'm not saying it's anything genetic - just cultural probably) are extremely reactive - I've witnessed arguments (shouting, not aggressively though, in an "emotional" fashion) ON THE STREETS about stuff like "my kid is better than yours!!" or "how dare you think that my haircut is worse than yours!!! Mine is THE BEST haircut!!!". Yet when those arguments end, these girls/women get back to being on friendly terms in a matter of minutes. If you're a young guy/men, you can hear them shouting from the windows "HEY YOU GOOD LOOKING GUY" (I can't translate it that easily, it's said in a specific dialect which makes it sound much funnier) and singing weird songs @ you - yet it's not like they're hitting on you, they're just "thinking out loud".
I personally kind of found it funny/refreshing, even though the whole place was too rural, I couldn't live there for an extended amount of time.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Nope, When you have Te as Polr, you need others to tie ideas and concepts together for you so you don't have to do them, like asking for explanation of similarities. What Minde has trouble with doing is summing, concluding, tying in concepts to one another.Yeah, I can definitely see that being so.
I also wonder if that's why she has a hard time seeing other EIIs on the forum, because she's not familiar with how "Americans" are.
Minde is looking for
It would be refreshing if you stopped blabbing about what your opinion is and tried to listen and seek explanations more.
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about maritsa...
I don't have a major issue of her being EII.
I think her feelings that she's the only EII on the forum are bogus.
She seems to use infantile, rather than victim or aggressor interpersonal tactics. I don't see her trying to use Fe on me, really. And I think what people see as Ne porl is really... some sort of mental issue or really poor teaching or training in discussing things. Sometimes her way of thinking is rewarded, I guess - a constant profusion or your ideas and belief they are right. She reminds me somewhat of Ritella's "pushy" infantileness, where she 'pushed' her problems or thoughts onto you and wanted you to deal with them.
INFj's need Te to structure outside environment in How to make it work; When the Te function suffers in INFj, the person experiences disturbing thought that are too generalized and are bothersome; ESTj's know the real thoughts are from the ones that are not in terms of Objective reality of the situation. They are the only ones who can point them out to the INFj and by pointing them out (as in saying them much the same way that Airborne told me in his thread), that brushes up the disturbing thoughts of INFj and she is able to think clearly again. That is different from constantly trying to offer links and understanding in the form of digested conclusions or summaries of what is going on.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Please name one other person on this board who is a certified INFj. All I ask for is one.
Mike
Enneagram: 6w7 so/sx (Tritype: 6w7/9w1/2w3 or 6w7/9w1/3w2)
Airborne's friend is also an INFj and I hope that he can ask her to join this forum so that you guys can see how she and I interact with one another.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
The qualities of a lawyer is such that you must see the tie of concepts together to the evidence presented, how else will you be able to argue your clients case?
This is why Ne's are excelent at law.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
The tie of concepts together would be, maybe
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
Why don't you describe her to us, if you feel that she fits the bill.
Mike
Enneagram: 6w7 so/sx (Tritype: 6w7/9w1/2w3 or 6w7/9w1/3w2)
Introvert (quiet, meek, shy, easily blushes), when approached by others or in a group, loves to talk to people, will accept men's approaches to talk to her over looking their intentions or sexual advances. Is quiet and shy around new people, with friends can display behaviors of not being embarrased. Her inner voice and feelings come out when writing, but on the outside, while writing she displays no emotions, will cry out of the blue every once in a while and you don't know why or what happened to provoke it. When in a crowd sits in a corner somewhere and watches people, hugs her legs or looks down at her shoes, or reads, tries not to invite people in to converse with her; when people do go up to her she doesn't just jump and say "YES"; she listens to them tries to get a reading of honesty, in their voice, intonations, gestures; when she establishes reasonableness, she will offer advice tailor made to that person.
Very hard to get to date, but relationship oriented. Once in a relationship, utterly devoted and commited.
As an introvert needs long sleep hours for energy.
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Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Sounds very EII'ish to me....but do you honestly think that she is the only one around?
There are 16 types in this system....not a million types. I can also tell you that each type is far from an exclusive club. People were made to inhabit each of the 16 types. Otherwise, the system is actually quite screwy and elitist (which I doubt).
No type is better or worse than the other, and there are a multitude of people that can be considered a part of each type.
I highly doubt that she is the only one who is even remotely associated with this board. Highly unlikely!
Mike
Enneagram: 6w7 so/sx (Tritype: 6w7/9w1/2w3 or 6w7/9w1/3w2)
I never compare the value of better/worse type. I have mentioned several examples of brilliant and smart people of every type and have pointed out some of my duals who have been very harsh to me as well.
Type is about information metabolism; you need your dual to be ok. That's it.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
The bolded parts describe IEE, except IEE will also initiate conversation.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
this thread is disappointing to me; that after so many years on this forum people still can't see a clear case of EII. I see a bunch of people taking irrelevant information, labeling it a function, and then going off into the middle of nowhere with elaborate justifications.
When you type people, you consider important information. You don't consider irrelevant information. That just creates confusion and leads to bad typings.
We're also seeing no respect for the diversity of people within a sociotype, and we are getting dumb statements like: "X EII behaves passively in situation Y, Maritsa is not passive in situation Y, therefor Maritsa is not EII."
Stop talking for a moment and just examine Maritsa. That is EII. Now, what had you previously thought was EII? In what ways is your understanding of EII different from your understanding of Maritsa? That's where your understanding is wrong. Now you have identified the problem.
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