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    Alpha, Beta, Delta, Gamma.... don't worry about being formal use your own words, and if you disagree let the debates fly.... its the only way people learn shit.

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    Beta: loud dumb psychopaths
    Gamma: silent back-stabbers dumb red necks greedy moralist psychopaths
    Delta: silent druggies moralist red necks
    Alpha: friendly, smart, funny people / naive head-in-the-clouds idiots / nerds
    ILE "Searcher"
    Socionics: ENTp
    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
    Astrological sign: Aquarius

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Beta: loud dumb psychopaths
    Gamma: silent back-stabbers dumb red necks greedy moralist psychopaths
    Delta: silent druggies moralist red necks
    Alpha: friendly, smart, funny people / naive head-in-the-clouds idiots / nerds
    ^ makes me realise I'm definitely Alpha!
    "Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubicon View Post
    ^ makes me realise I'm definitely Alpha!
    realize
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    Socionics: ENTp
    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
    Astrological sign: Aquarius

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    I find the quadra groups most difficult to explain and therefor least useful for typing.

    Quadra's are simply there to show which people get along best.

    For typing use clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Beta: loud dumb psychopaths
    Gamma: silent back-stabbers dumb red necks greedy moralist psychopaths
    Delta: silent druggies moralist red necks
    Alpha: friendly, smart, funny people / naive head-in-the-clouds idiots / nerds

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    realize
    realise
    "Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubicon View Post
    realise
    Truck, oil, lift, garbage and rooster
    ILE "Searcher"
    Socionics: ENTp
    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
    Astrological sign: Aquarius

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    For typing use clubs.
    If it's something like "SF = socialites, NT = nerds and geeks", clubs are rather useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Truck, oil, lift, garbage and rooster
    Alpha, Beta, Delta, Gamma and ?
    "Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubicon View Post
    Alpha, Beta, Delta, Gamma and ?
    ˝
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    Socionics: ENTp
    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
    Astrological sign: Aquarius

    To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    ˝
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    "Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."

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    Alpha: Goofballs
    Beta: Confused (in a mentally unstable way)
    Gamma: Fascinating
    Delta: Traditionalists

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    1w2 sp/so 1-2-6
    Brilliand's Younger Sister
    Squishy's Older Sister

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Alpha: Fun, but not very striving-y
    Beta: Fun and very striving-y
    Gamma: Boring, and very striving-y
    Delta: Boring, and not very striving-y

    Alpha: Nice, not too edgy, want to have a fun life, but fairly content with simplicity. Jokey and kiddy.
    Beta: Energetic, passionate, desperate, violent, dramatic. High risk, high reward. Live hard. Sublime, both in the positive way (Hamlet) and the negative way (Iago). Goes to extremes.
    Gamma: Smart, hard-working, very ironic/sarcastic, insular. Serious conversation, some wine with friends, laughing at the absurdity of other people.
    Delta: Principled, passionate but not in the beta way, more in a practical, live by your ideals way, very comfortable with "the simple life," just having a family and a lovely home and a nice life.

    Alpha: Say anything
    Beta: Say everything
    Gamma: Say what you mean to say
    Delta: Don't say that!

    Alpha: Enthusiasm for ideas, projects, etc.; fun for the sake of fun
    Beta: Promethean overreaching; fun for the sake of bonding and energy
    Gamma: Something else, but I don't know what
    Delta: Everything in moderation; fun for the sake of having a moderate amount of both pain and pleasure

    And of course, the classic:

    Alpha: childhood
    Beta: adolescence
    Gamma: adulthood
    Delta: old age

    EDIT:
    Oh, this is somehow stolen from Gilly I think, but, think about a cloth that's made of two pieces of fabric stitched together. These are the quadras' attitudes towards the cloth:

    Delta: The cloth is together, there is one piece of fabric. It cannot come apart. We need to make sure people stop trying to tear it apart, and just accept the things as they are.
    Alpha: We need to unstich the two pieces of fabric of which the cloth is comprised, in order to peer behind it and see what's there.
    Beta: The cloth is apart, there are two pieces of fabric. It cannot come together. We need to make sure people stop trying to force it together when it is inherently impossible to bring together. They need to accept things as they are.
    Gamma: We need to stitch the two pieces of fabric together to make one whole cloth, in order to sew up the little rips and tears that still exist.
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    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

    Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Alpha: Fun, but not very striving-y
    Beta: Fun and very striving-y
    Gamma: Boring, and very striving-y
    Delta: Boring, and not very striving-y

    Alpha: Say anything
    Beta: Say everything
    Gamma: Say what you mean to say
    Delta: Don't say that!
    What does the first part mean?

    I'm with Gamma on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quadras can be explained by Reinin dichotomies:

    Alpha: merry , judicious
    Beta: merry , decisive
    Gamma: serious , decisive
    Delta: serious , judicious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    What does the first part mean?

    I'm with Gamma on this one.
    Fun = Fe/Ti, Boring = Fi/Te
    Striving = Se/Ni, Not-striving = Si/Ne

    Say what you mean to say (and nothing else) is sort of a generalized Te thing, but Delta is more distinctively likely to say, "don't say that" to something offensive. Plus, I like to play up the opposition between gamma and alpha and between beta and delta. I should come up with a more specific one for gamma. But I think Delta, of all the quadras, is most likely to say "some things should not be said."
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

    Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...

    I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Fun = Fe/Ti, Boring = Fi/Te
    Striving = Se/Ni, Not-striving = Si/Ne

    Say what you mean to say (and nothing else) is sort of a generalized Te thing, but Delta is more distinctively likely to say, "don't say that" to something offensive. Plus, I like to play up the opposition between gamma and alpha and between beta and delta. I should come up with a more specific one for gamma. But I think Delta, of all the quadras, is most likely to say "some things should not be said."
    Most definitely. This issue came up quite a few times in my duality interaction. The general understanding and tendency on BOTH sides was that some things should just be left unsaid. There was also the notable phrase SLI said a few times: "I'll keep my thoughts to myself."

    right on the money silverchris!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Beta: loud dumb psychopaths
    Gamma: silent back-stabbers dumb red necks greedy moralist psychopaths
    Delta: silent druggies moralist red necks
    Alpha: friendly, smart, funny people / naive head-in-the-clouds idiots / nerds
    DRUGGIES in Delta?? Really?? my impression was that the druggies tend to be in Beta, actually. Rednecks too--that seems to be more of a beta attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    DRUGGIES in Delta?? Really?? my impression was that the druggies tend to be in Beta, actually. Rednecks too--that seems to be more of a beta attitude.
    Rednecks is sort of a general ST thing, druggies is a sort of general NF thing. Betas are more hard drugs, I suppose, LSD, seeing visions; Deltas are more smoke pot to stay in a constant state of chill, zen, I'm okay-you're okay, things are going well sort of bliss. Beta rednecks are more, "Get off my property! Grrr," and delta rednecks are more, "I don't like them there fancy city folk, our ways are our ways and our ways are just fine." Yes, they value Ne, but they aren't up for any major or sudden change to their lifestyle.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    Alpha: Life as a slapstick comedy with fart jokes. Kinda like Judd Apatow with a little less sex and a little tamer language, maybe.
    Beta: Life as a visionary tragedy. A band of lone warriors try to overcome insurmountable odds, experience both success and failure, ascent and decline, and ultimately go down fighting, winning extraordinary aesthetic dignity and changing the world in the process.
    Gamma: Life as a comedy of manners (sorta). The kind that laughs at the failings of others.
    Delta: Life as a heartfelt and sincere movie-of-the-week. A story of how people working together can create a happy ending, not anything perfect or ideal, but happy and satisfactory.

    Alpha: Enthusiasm
    Beta: Ecstasy
    Gamma: Improvement
    Delta: Satisfaction

    Alpha: Nonsense verse, langpo, e.e. cummings.
    Beta: Romantic poetry
    Gamma: Metaphysical poetry
    Delta: Victorian poetry

    (on every one of these my gamma one is the worst. It's because I've never seen a complete gamma quadra; I've seen SEE with ESI, SEE with ILI, but never SEE, ESI, ILI, LIE).
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    Alpha: ENTp/ISTp -new ESFj/INTj -Tradition, relax, great food, justice
    Beta: ENFj/ISTj-emotion, justice, support ESTp/INFp -success, win
    Gamma: ESFp/INTp-home, family, close and trusting friendship, gardening
    ENTj/ISFj -work
    Delta ESTj/INFj -balance, growth, good food, great pleasure, support
    ENFp/ISTp-our personal goals and hard work, easy on chores

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    Very loosely defined, abstract groups that you get when people with supposed perfect compatibility get toghether. They rarely manifest in reality in any concrete way and are overrated as a topic of understanding for that reason.

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    Alpha: Life as a slapstick comedy with fart jokes.
    Disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    Disgusting.
    Oh please. Who doesn't love a good fart joke? Regardless, alpha is definitely a lighthearted comedy sort of quadra. I guess LII-Tis can be kind of stuffy, in which case they might prefer life as a fantasy novel with a complicated mythology, but I feel like the ESEs wouldn't like that. Lighthearted comedy is something the whole quadra family can enjoy.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    Alpha:


    Beta:


    Gamma:


    Delta:
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    I think this one is the best so far.

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    Alpha - Most Creative, Best Hair, Best Butt, Most Sporty
    Beta - Funniest, Sweetest, Most likely to use their nose as an umbrella, Most likely to die of obesity
    Gamma - Most Likely To Suceed, Best Eyes, Most likely to have a town/element/insect named after them, Most likely to die a virgin
    Delta - Best Smile, Most School Spirit, Most Athletic, Most visible underwear

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Oh please. Who doesn't love a good fart joke? Regardless, alpha is definitely a lighthearted comedy sort of quadra. I guess LII-Tis can be kind of stuffy, in which case they might prefer life as a fantasy novel with a complicated mythology, but I feel like the ESEs wouldn't like that. Lighthearted comedy is something the whole quadra family can enjoy.
    *ahem*



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    P.S. fart jokes are more Beta, imo. It's part of Se's sense of humour to be really in-your-face and confronting (*points at discojoe*), and crudity is one way of achieving this.

    I still can't pick a style of movie that represents Alpha, though. I personally want to say "Let the other quadras be movies, Alpha can be slice of life anime", but I'm weird like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Alpha - Most Creative, Best Hair, Best Butt, Most Sporty
    Beta - Funniest, Sweetest, Most likely to use their nose as an umbrella, Most likely to die of obesity
    Gamma - Most Likely To Suceed, Best Eyes, Most likely to have a town/element/insect named after them, Most likely to die a virgin
    Delta - Best Smile, Most School Spirit, Most Athletic, Most visible underwear
    Not to derail this thread, but obese Betas terrify me. I was watching this reality TV show and this loud, extroverted and 400 pound SLE woman was on it who was using food to cover up emotional issues. And when the trainers tried to make her eat low calorie food it became a territorial struggle and she started resisting them, swearing at them, throwing things and crying at the same time. She probably would have lost the weight if she had an IEI to help her deal with those issues.

    So yeah, I agree that Beta ST are very likely to die of obesity, because of reluctance to change their beliefs about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archonalarion
    Alpha:
    The valiant knight in shining armor archetype is more Delta IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Oh please. Who doesn't love a good fart joke? ...Lighthearted comedy is something the whole quadra family can enjoy.
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    All I can surmise from all of this is that I am the Anti-Delta......

    Hardly Delta at all, only slightly....

    There are elements of alpha, gamma, and beta I all identify with strongly. I'll have to take more time to read this all. Also find picture and media based representations (i.e. gamma music, beta artwork, alpha movie, etc), or the analogies like the cloth.... those are nice too.

    Also I like Jarno's idea.... I think typing with clubs is more useful for me, the quadras have my head spinning, there seems to be alot of contradictions... aren't LII very serious? the is valued in LII and ILE but its an area of weakness... they crave that fun/enthusiasm from Fe types but they can't produce it themselves and still retain their Ti and Ne Egos.

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    Fine, if none of the alphas want to be a lighthearted comedy, you don't have to be... grumble grumble grumble. I shall think of another one.

    Also, @GulBrianzon, your bit about crudity brings up an important point. Beta humor and language is generally considered to be the most "extreme," while delta humor and language is generally considered to be the most "mild" or "polite" (not that Delta STs can't be occasionally crude, but overall). But of course, this is all completely relative to the societal context. If you're in an atmosphere where jokes about, say, rape are common (not that I know that any of these atmospheres exist, but say they do), "beta" extreme humor has to be something WAY EXTREME like that Aristocrats joke (which I still don't know about, but it's supposed to be super dirty, right?). Conversely, if you're in Victorian England, fart jokes are, comparatively, extreme, and as such are likely to be "beta" type jokes. If you're somewhere in the middle, fart jokes are more of an alpha thing, imo, just out-of-the-norm enough to be mildly shocking, but not anything really out there. Alphas, in my experience, like mild frizzons of shock, while betas prefer intense electroshock therapy (or at least a repeated series of shocks, metaphorically speaking). So I guess what I'm saying is it's relative to cultural context, personal values, etc. However, what movies Steven Spielberg has directed matters not at all, because obviously any professional in the movie industry would have been involved with all types of movies. It's a generalization comparing the alpha style and viewpoint to a specific kind of movie, not a dictum about what sorts of movies alphas make. Plenty of betas have made lighthearted comedies (i.e., Shakespeare). Also, ET, from what I know, is a pretty alpha movie.

    For instance, Mozart, in the movie Amadeus, is pretty clearly, imo, portrayed as an alpha (probably NT), and I think in that movie he has some sort of fart joke, which in the context of the society portrayed in that movie is fairly extreme as a violation of social norms, but is not really all that shocking or extreme, the way a more typically beta joke might be.
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    Lol nice avatar labcoat....... haha

    anyways I've had some time to read through this topic.

    Some other information I'm interested in also is, how do you theoretically determine which types get put in which quadra, and what types do get put in what quadra.

    Also right now I'm feeling the following typing for me (1-100 scale);

    Alpha - 75
    Beta - 48
    Gamma - 55
    Delta - 18

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    Alpha: Fun, light-hearted, curious, conflict-aversive, hedonistic, immature
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    Gamma: Boring, realistic, solid, undaunted, self-sacrificing, serious
    Delta: Peace-loving, cautious, cooperative, unpretentious, conservative
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    Delta: Life as a heartfelt and sincere movie-of-the-week. A story of how people working together can create a happy ending, not anything perfect or ideal, but happy and satisfactory.


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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Fine, if none of the alphas want to be a lighthearted comedy, you don't have to be... grumble grumble grumble. I shall think of another one.
    There is a high level of sophistication and wit associated with all clever humor. Fart jokes aren't funny past the 4th grade no matter what quadra you're in.

    For instance, Mozart, in the movie Amadeus, is pretty clearly, imo, portrayed as an alpha (probably NT), and I think in that movie he has some sort of fart joke, which in the context of the society portrayed in that movie is fairly extreme as a violation of social norms, but is not really all that shocking or extreme, the way a more typically beta joke might be.
    Filatova types the Amadeus portrayal of Mozart as IEE. She's EII.

    Fart jokes can be funny not in themselves, but if they're part of a broader context. Mozart was trying to put on an all round vulgar act. But you aren't laughing at the fart jokes, just his craziness.

    A fart joke might be funny to be Betas if it evoked some Se happening or environment.
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