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    Default JohnDo's type

    I don't question my self-typing.

    I just thought some people might be of the opinion that I am not INTj.

    Please vote...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDo View Post
    I don't question my self-typing.

    I just thought some people might be of the opinion that I am not INTj.
    you know that this is naieve. There are ALWAYS people who disagree with your selftyping.

    There are probably people on this forum who say that Arnold Schwarzenegger is INFP.
    Is that a reason to open up a poll about Swarzenegger in the famous personas forum?

    Just ignore those mistyping dumbasses.

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    Since when do INTj's care about what other people think of them, or is it something else? Can you elaborate on why you are posting this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by he died with a felafel View Post
    i'm not voting, but find it very peculiar that you'd post just to know what other people's mistaken reasoning has made them believe.....and yesterday you posted an article about helping people find their type....
    I can't see your problem. I'm just a little bored so I ask people on this forum to type me. What's wrong?

    btw: I didn't post an article about typing. I just posted in a thread in the category articles...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDo View Post
    I can't see your problem. I'm just a little bored so I ask people on this forum to type me. What's wrong?
    Since you've made up your mind...say I vote and it disagrees with INTj...then you ask why...then I come up with a bunch of reasons for someone who is already sure of their type anyway, so what is the point?

    I do agree that it is rather naive - people won't agree on everything.

    (btw - first paragraph was a supposition, i've not really cared or thought that much about your type up to and for now).

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    Quote Originally Posted by he died with a felafel View Post
    i don't remember where exactly you posted, but it was about helping other people find their type. you don't think it causes at least a lil' bit of confusion when the very next day you post about your own type...?
    I like that. Isn't it some kind of INTj-humor?

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    ENFp would probably be the next type I'd suggest after INTj.

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    Huginn: ISTj
    Labcoat: ENFp

    No, I can't be extraverted AND introverted, sensory AND intuitive, thinking AND feeling, judging AND perceiving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDo View Post


    Huginn: ISTj
    Labcoat: ENFp

    No, I can't be extraverted AND introverted, sensory AND intuitive, thinking AND feeling, judging AND perceiving.
    Why not - it's easy.

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    My opinion carries more weight than Huginn's. S/he has only recently established her type and has no more experience with the theory than s/he could have built up since that time.

    I think your clearest two characteristics are Ne and the Negative/Result/Static trait, which creates the image of a calm, stable person with subtle control of events that doesn't overextend their reach, dosing their energy very carefully. Negative/Result EPs can look a lot like IJ types under some circumstances.

    A lot of your posts are just like your last one: brief, based on common sense, not containing any type of intelligent deliberation. You use smilies to allude to typical social contexts and gut reactions. At one point you thought throwing about puking smilies was a good way to argue the point that you were a better typer than Rick. What a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    My opinion carries more weight than Huginn's. S/he has only recently established her type and has no more experience with the theory than s/he could have built up since that time.
    I disagree.
    1.) I'm pretty sure she isn't INTj but INTp.
    2.) That does not necessarily mean she can't type others.
    3.) I don't know if you are INTj, either. INTp would be my second guess. INTjs rather like to make fun than to criticize...

    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    A lot of your posts are just like your last one: brief, based on common sense, not containing any type of intelligent deliberation. You use smilies to allude to typical social contexts and gut reactions.
    That is true.
    I try to keep everything short and simple which is typical of -egos.
    I like allusions very much which is typical of -egos...


    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    At one point you thought throwing about puking smilies was a good way to argue the point that you were a better typer than Rick. What a joke.
    No, I never said I was a better typer than Rick. You don't like smilies? Unusual for a merry quadra...

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    No, I never said I was a better typer than Rick. You don't like smilies? Unusual for a merry quadra...
    You said his typings were bad, which implies that you thought you could type better than him to the point of being able to criticize his typings and declare them bad across the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    You said his typings were bad, which implies that you thought you could type better than him to the point of being able to criticize his typings and declare them bad across the board.
    Okay, I really disagree on some of his typings. I think that at least Lenin, Powell and Cheney are in no way ESTp.
    Lenin - Ni-INTj
    Powell - Ti-INTj
    Cheney - Te-ESTj
    I really don't understand why he types them as SLE, maybe he doesn't like them and therefore thinks they are Beta...
    But I never said I was better at typing than he is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Since when do INTj's care about what other people think of them, or is it something else? Can you elaborate on why you are posting this thread?
    I can understand it. LIIs often have a very poor understanding of how other people view them. I've often been curious about that sort of thing myself -- it's not extremely important, because we generally think that the opinions of other people don't matter; it's mainly idle curiosity that drives it. At least, that's been my experience.

    On another note, John, I've slowly come 'round to the idea that you are in fact LII. Outside of our disagreement regarding your theory about the correlation of physical features with DCNH subtypes, we seem to operate on much the same wavelength. However, I think it's likely that we're both Creative subtypes -- our clashes have been solely due to the opposing creative ideas we have generated. I think if you were actually Harmonizing, we would not likely argue as much as we have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    I can understand it. LIIs often have a very poor understanding of how other people view them. I've often been curious about that sort of thing myself -- it's not extremely important, because we generally think that the opinions of other people don't matter; it's mainly idle curiosity that drives it. At least, that's been my experience.
    Cool.

    I'm going to send you something I read about an LII "acid test" if you will, sort of curious on what you think, and also that you may be interested in it.

    On another note, John, I've slowly come 'round to the idea that you are in fact LII. Outside of our disagreement regarding your theory about the correlation of physical features with DCNH subtypes, we seem to operate on much the same wavelength. However, I think it's likely that we're both Creative subtypes -- our clashes have been solely due to the opposing creative ideas we have generated. I think if you were actually Harmonizing, we would not likely argue as much as we have.
    Well, if I show my cards, I think he's LII too. Highly focused on Ti, creates some "weird" ideas that I see Ne often do when it's been fed by dominant Ti, and he's got the people skills too :-;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    I can understand it. LIIs often have a very poor understanding of how other people view them. I've often been curious about that sort of thing myself -- it's not extremely important, because we generally think that the opinions of other people don't matter; it's mainly idle curiosity that drives it.
    Maybe it's an introtim thing? I'm certainly not LII

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    On another note, John, I've slowly come 'round to the idea that you are in fact LII.
    Nice. I never questioned your self-typing. Just allow me one question: Does your face rather have the shape of a square (like Victor Gulenko or Al Gore) or does it rather have the shape of an oval (like Carl Jung or Che Guevara)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    Outside of our disagreement regarding your theory about the correlation of physical features with DCNH subtypes, we seem to operate on much the same wavelength.
    Exactly. As soon as you realize that this 1:1 correlation really exists you won't call it "Che's theory" but "our theory". It was your idea to use acc/prod description for getting DCNH descriptions. I've used them every day for several months and without them I would have never been able to discover this correlation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    However, I think it's likely that we're both Creative subtypes -- our clashes have been solely due to the opposing creative ideas we have generated. I think if you were actually Harmonizing, we would not likely argue as much as we have.
    If we want to improve "socionics in the west" we will have much more arguing to do. What do you think how Augusta, Gulenko, Weisband and the other early socionists came to their conclusions? They argued and argued and argued...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDo View Post
    Nice. I never questioned your self-typing. Just allow me one question: Does your face rather have the shape of a square (like Victor Gulenko or Al Gore) or does it rather have the shape of an oval (like Carl Jung or Che Guevara)?
    I googled pictures of the people you mentioned, and to be honest I can't even really tell what criterion you're using to distinguish between "square" and "oval" faces. Is it the angle of the jaw? The presence or absence of fatty tissue?

    Do obese people all get classified as "oval"?

    I do see more of a similarity between the first three as opposed to Che, which supports my continued assertion that he is Beta NF.

    In my own case, I would say the lines of my face are more angular than rounded, but I wouldn't really describe it as "square". I dunno.
    Quaero Veritas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    I googled pictures of the people you mentioned, and to be honest I can't even really tell what criterion you're using to distinguish between "square" and "oval" faces.
    You need criteria to distinguish between a square and an oval?

    Just look at my previous threads. It should be quite obvious what I mean...

    This one...
    Or that one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDo View Post
    You need criteria to distinguish between a square and an oval?

    Just look at my previous threads. It should be quite obvious what I mean...

    This one...
    Or that one...
    Yeah, I honestly tried to see what you're seeing, and I just don't see it. Al Gore and Thomas Jefferson, for example, both look fairly rectangular to me -- tall faces, fairly angular jawlines. Christian Rach, in the photo you posted in the other thread, looks more oval than any of the others, and Frank-Walter Steinmeier has a softer, shorter face, but I wouldn't really call it "round", not in the same way that Cheney's face is round. But then again, that may just be because he's bald. If Cheney had a full head of hair, and lost weight, would his face still be round?

    I'll tell you what, we'll do a blind test: send me a list of people whose faces you've classified by shape, but don't post which shapes you've assigned to which people. I'll post what shapes I think their faces are, and if there's anything more here than subjective impressions, our results should mostly match.
    Quaero Veritas.

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    Is this Gay Chevera?

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    ^ so very true.

    ETA: I rather think you are LII, JohnDo. As to the arguments regarding your writing about subtypes, it is my understanding that being LII doesn't guarantee your logic isn't directed at proving internal correctness of reality-detached theories.
    Last edited by Aiss; 05-14-2010 at 05:10 PM.

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    What you don't know is that reality becomes the theory! Hahahahaha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispy View Post
    What you don't know is that reality becomes the theory! Hahahahaha!
    It's better than the reverse.

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