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    Hey everyone. Sarah here. Have been posting over at socionics.com forum and decided to try out over here. Am wanting opinions on my type. Have made a new video. So check it out and tell me what you think. Thanks.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZwfvfPV-44]YouTube - whatisshe[/ame]

    This is Suzzy interviewing me by the way.

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    Hey, I would say you are an dominant, your mannerism/composure relates to Ti seeking. I would take a guess and think you're an EIE or ESE.
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    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    LMAO

    You remind me of my cousin and my aunt who I think are both ESE. More so my ESE-Fe cousin than her ESE-Si mom. I think there's some chance that you're SEI, but overall you make me think Alpha SF.
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    Now i will tell you a bit about myself, see if this changes views.

    My emotions run deep.
    I see things, little or big that most people miss.
    I feel as though they are not many people like myself.
    I have both a negative, pessimistic view on life and hope for better things to come.
    I am a spiritual person.
    I can easily see the big picture of most things.
    I love to do puzzles and am at good at ''fitting pieces'' together.
    I enjoy photography, art, music.. though am not particularly good at it, i love things like dirt bike riding, camping, going out for coffee with friends, reading.. i used to be a bit of a tom-boy though have become more girly - though i usually love challenges that most girls wouldn't do.. i love the idea of skydiving and bungee jumping. I enjoy travel.
    I have a incredibly low energy level and struggle with it on a daily basis.
    I am extremely deep and understanding for someone my age, or any age at all.
    I have a hard time with keeping friendships as most people i don't click with. I have many acquaintances.
    I need time away from the world.
    I am pretty people-focused, in which cause damage to me personally.

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    EIE probably
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahcoles View Post
    Now i will tell you a bit about myself, see if this changes views.

    My emotions run deep.
    I see things, little or big that most people miss.
    I feel as though they are not many people like myself.
    I have both a negative, pessimistic view on life and hope for better things to come.
    I am a spiritual person.
    I can easily see the big picture of most things.
    I love to do puzzles and am at good at ''fitting pieces'' together.
    I enjoy photography, art, music.. though am not particularly good at it, i love things like dirt bike riding, camping, going out for coffee with friends, reading.. i used to be a bit of a tom-boy though have become more girly - though i usually love challenges that most girls wouldn't do.. i love the idea of skydiving and bungee jumping. I enjoy travel.
    I have a incredibly low energy level and struggle with it on a daily basis.
    I am extremely deep and understanding for someone my age, or any age at all.
    I have a hard time with keeping friendships as most people i don't click with. I have many acquaintances.
    I need time away from the world.
    I am pretty people-focused, in which cause damage to me personally.
    The reason why I suggested you as EIE over ESE becuase you seem to be more focused on the video compared to ESE, over agenda. but almost all the points in this description points toward EIE and contradict ESE typing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    So hey! just remember I am your identical now, Pm me if you need any of my bullshit advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahcoles View Post
    Now i will tell you a bit about myself, see if this changes views.

    My emotions run deep.
    I see things, little or big that most people miss.
    I feel as though they are not many people like myself.
    I have both a negative, pessimistic view on life and hope for better things to come.
    I am a spiritual person.
    I can easily see the big picture of most things.
    I love to do puzzles and am at good at ''fitting pieces'' together.
    I enjoy photography, art, music.. though am not particularly good at it, i love things like dirt bike riding, camping, going out for coffee with friends, reading.. i used to be a bit of a tom-boy though have become more girly - though i usually love challenges that most girls wouldn't do.. i love the idea of skydiving and bungee jumping. I enjoy travel.
    I have a incredibly low energy level and struggle with it on a daily basis.
    I am extremely deep and understanding for someone my age, or any age at all.
    I have a hard time with keeping friendships as most people i don't click with. I have many acquaintances.
    I need time away from the world.
    I am pretty people-focused, in which cause damage to me personally.
    Great list, but none of it helps; now...

    I will come back and ask you questions.
    My best estimation of your type is SEE
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    You remind me of my roommate's friend who's a likely ENFj>ESFj.
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    SEE

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    maybe we should wait an answer from the LII's and ILI's dudes :wink:

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    ya esfj

    I don't see any Se seeking. It is obvious that you are judicious rather than decisive.
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    I can't see pictures so I can't type.

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    lol

    Vids be betar den pix
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    Quote Originally Posted by normal View Post
    maybe we should wait an answer from the LII's and ILI's dudes :wink:
    Oh, I guess that's me, eh?

    I think ESE, Creative subtype. Fe is obvious, and I have yet to see an Ni-Ego that cheery and chipper, certainly not for that long. EIEs are more dramatic than cheerful, in my experience.

    I think Creative subtype, because I occasionally got IEE-esque vibes, mixed in with all the ESE. It would also help explain the Intuitive vibes some people are getting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    I can't see pictures so I can't type.
    here are some pictures of me..
    [ame="http://s901.photobucket.com/albums/ac214/Shayleyc/Sarah/?start=0"]Sarah pictures by Shayleyc - Photobucket[/ame]
    Hope this helps!

    Dont forget to type my mother everyone!! she is using the user name suzzy Thanks!

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    ESE.

    everything's so much cooler with an austrialian accent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzzy View Post
    To be honest I think of Sarah as a very dramatic person. We refer to her as the drama queen (sorry Sarah ). She was very happy in the video because it was her 18th birthday.

    Sarah was typed over on Socionics.com forum as ENFp/IEE & IEI/INFp.
    Haha, well, I think non-Fe-valuing types tend to call base-Fe types "drama queens" a lot, but I meant it more in the sense of dark, theatrical, angsty drama, not just high levels of emotion. The word has different shades of meaning to different people I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by sarahcoles View Post
    here are some pictures of me..
    Sarah pictures by Shayleyc - Photobucket
    Hope this helps!
    Hmm. IEE looks like a strong second choice. I personally would rule out Beta NF, though. There's definitely some Si/Ne valuing going on here, in my opinion. Judicious ExFx.
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    From your videos i would go with ESFj. You just remind me of several i know, particularly from eye movement, mannerisms etc. The ESFj's i know are very different to one another which i see as because they have different role models and values etc. You should seriously consider it, and look iinto it with an open mind. All ESFj's ive met are lovely people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat Footed Frog View Post
    From your videos i would go with ESFj. You just remind me of several i know, particularly from eye movement, mannerisms etc. The ESFj's i know are very different to one another which i see as because they have different role models and values etc. You should seriously consider it, and look iinto it with an open mind. All ESFj's ive met are lovely people!
    I agree, you seem present, in the moment, unlike EIE'S who have a hollow, disassociated feeling to them.
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    I'll take ESE. I have to say, I'm a fan of that presentation style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    Fe is obvious, and I have yet to see an Ni-Ego that cheery and chipper, certainly not for that long. EIEs are more dramatic than cheerful, in my experience.
    Could you explain what is obvious about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Could you explain what is obvious about it?
    I find your question both surprising and confusing. Are you arguing that she's not at least ExFx (4d Fe)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    I find your question both surprising and confusing. Are you arguing that she's not at least ExFx (4d Fe)?
    I think ENFp is a possibility

    I don't want to quote stan out of turn, but:

    Quote Originally Posted by stanprollyright
    I'm pretty negativist, but I tend to keep my most negative/pessimistic comments to myself, especially with people I don't know very well. This leads to the perception that I am very positive and optimistic, a perception I have no real interest in correcting.
    In a recent thread.

    In any event, it's not uncommon for IEE's to try to fit in and 'simulate' Fe. You can see that Stan gives the external impression from this comment of one who could be confused with Fe - but with many IEE's this can become different with more interaction.

    To me she seems a bit too subdued to be Fe, but Fi rather fits. She seems quite focused on "pleasing" people rather than affecting the emotional atmosphere on it's own, I remember from the video she said something along the lines of, "I don't like cooking but I am doing it a lot just now, I suppose it makes people happy".

    It's maybe worth pointing out that people in Australia almost always finish their sentences like it's a question, notice the raise of the tone of her voice at the end of each sentence, so i'd hope that that sort of thing isn't being confused with Fe (if it is).

    I say IEE > ESE

    I supppose I get the impression of one who's looking to be pleasant and keep people happy (relating on interpersonal level) rather than actually controlling an external emotional atmosphere.

    I also am aware that some IEE's are a lot more subdued, but, she's young and also on video so could just be nervous.
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    Hi cyclops! haha i see you kept your same name over here. thanks for stating your opinion and mixing it up a little
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    I think ENFp is a possibility

    I don't want to quote stan out of turn, but:

    In a recent thread.

    In any event, it's not uncommon for IEE's to try to fit in and 'simulate' Fe. You can see that Stan gives the external impression from this comment of one who could be confused with Fe - but with many IEE's this can become different with more interaction.

    To me she seems a bit too subdued to be Fe, but Fi rather fits. She seems quite focused on "pleasing" people rather than affecting the emotional atmosphere on it's own, I remember from the video she said something along the lines of, "I don't like cooking but I am doing it a lot just now, I suppose it makes people happy".

    It's maybe worth pointing out that people in Australia almost always finish their sentences like it's a question, notice the raise of the tone of her voice at the end of each sentence, so i'd hope that that sort of thing isn't being confused with Fe (if it is).

    I say IEE > ESE

    I supppose I get the impression of one who's looking to be pleasant and keep people happy (relating on interpersonal level) rather than actually controlling an external emotional atmosphere.

    I also am aware that some IEE's are a lot more subdued, but, she's young and also on video so could just be nervous.
    Ah, I see what you mean. When I say "Fe is obvious", I just mean that I can see she's using Fe. My conclusion from that was that she is Fe-Ego, but Fe-Demonstrative isn't unreasonable, and you've made some good arguments.

    For now, as I said I said in my second post in this thread, I'm satisfied to say Judicious ExFx, and leave it at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    To me she seems a bit too subdued to be Fe, but Fi rather fits. She seems quite focused on "pleasing" people rather than affecting the emotional atmosphere on it's own, I remember from the video she said something along the lines of, "I don't like cooking but I am doing it a lot just now, I suppose it makes people happy".
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    Damnit, I don't know what to think anymore. You could be IEE. I think I'm still in the ESE > IEE camp, but. I. Just. Don't. Know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    That's what Fe is
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    Well, I can't open the link just now, but...i'm not going to quible on the semantics of my words, suffice it so say that I think that you equate Fi in general with what sounds more like the leading description of Fi for ISFj's:

    The ESI sees reality primarily through static personal ethics and stable interpersonal bonds between individuals, including himself, where the status of such interpersonal bonds is determined by his personal ethics. The ESI is very confident in evaluating the ethical or moral qualities, and their consistency, of other people as well of himself. This makes ESIs seem "judgmental" or "self-righteous" to people less so inclined. If an ESI has difficulty in deciding the status of a personal relationship, he will take action to try to reach a conclusion, but if that continues to elude him, he will regard the relationship as not worth it. His own sense of constancy in personal ethics and in his relationships with others is a very strong factor in his sense of self-worth.
    Which is different from EII's:
    EIIs are very attuned to the psychological atmosphere of interaction and to their own feelings towards people and things. They treasure deep feelings of attachment and strive to deepen emotional bonds between people and harmonize relationships. When those people that the EII is close to suffer emotionally, the EII will do everything in her power to raise the emotional condition in the individual, often at the EII's expense.

    EIIs are very capable of "sizing people up". They rely heavily on their instincts to understand the inner feelings of an individual. They are very empathetic people and find it very easy to feel with others. This makes them very sensitive to the moods of people, and they treat them the way they want to be treated, that is, with respect.
    and the kicker, IEE's Fi:

    IEEs are naturally sensitive to mood, atmosphere, and feelings. They rarely say or do anything that would worsen people's feelings, preferring instead to distance themselves from people and social situations that produce negative feelings. IEEs are naturally skilled at regulating the degree of emotional intimacy between people, which can mean being businesslike (yet polite) as well as warm and inviting.

    When faced with a sad individual, the IEE will usually try to understand what is wrong, and will often try to coax the individual with kind words and actions. The IEE often displays a straight face even when faced with strong negative feelings.

    Always on the IEE's mind are the feelings of his or her friends. If the IEE does not know whether an individual is feeling good or ill will, the IEE will prod the individual until he or she displays their attitude.

    IEEs are concerned with the opinions and feelings of those around them and try to avoid saying things that would cause arguments and bad feelings. He does this effortlessly. In fact, IEEs will often choose to follow a very open and accepting life philosophy in order to reconcile his own views with those of others.

    When interacting with others, IEEs are naturally aware of the flow of emotion present and strive to interpret meanings out of individual emotional states. When they feel they've realized an accurate potentiality of the cause of someone's behavior, IEEs commonly clarify their perceptions to ensure their understanding of another person. To actually aid the person in finding positive potential, however, depends on if the subject is important to the IEE (for example, they determine how close of a friend the person actually is to them).
    You can see that the IEE has a lot of what a Gamma Fi dominant (and perhaps not just them, other types too) would term as Fe, but really it is just that Delta's are the most compassionate quadra (you can read up on that by looking at quadra descriptions and how Delta is viewed by other quadras).

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    Can anyone give me the best site for readings of intuition and sensing, because i believe im intuitive - but maybe im wrong??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Well, I can't open the link just now, but...i'm not going to quible on the semantics of my words, suffice it so say that I think that you equate Fi in general with what sounds more like the leading description of Fi for ISFj's:



    Which is different from EII's:
    Fi is Fi regardless of where it comes from. I suppose one could make an argument to extend the theory further beyond the 8 IE's but as it is that hasn't happened yet

    and the kicker, IEE's Fi:
    Yes I realize that IEE's are proficient in Fe but it isn't a valued function so they tend to use sporadically or/and when needed

    My point was that to state that someone is more likely an IEE because their prerogative is to make people happy is not a particularly good argument against Fe dominance, since the concern for affecting another persons mood (happiness, in this case) is an Fe concern more so than an Fi one

    You can see that the IEE has a lot of what a Gamma Fi dominant (and perhaps not just them, other types too) would term as Fe, but really it is just that Delta's are the most compassionate quadra (you can read up on that by looking at quadra descriptions and how Delta is viewed by other quadras).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84
    Delta's do not have a monopoly on compassion anymore than they do on independence
    Monopoly? Well, let's say that's the case, Fe would also not have a monopoly on :

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops
    To me she seems a bit too subdued to be Fe, but Fi rather fits. She seems quite focused on "pleasing" people rather than affecting the emotional atmosphere on it's own, I remember from the video she said something along the lines of, "I don't like cooking but I am doing it a lot just now, I suppose it makes people happy".
    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    Fi is Fi regardless of where it comes from. I suppose one could make an argument to extend the theory further beyond the 8 IE's but as it is that hasn't happened yet
    Functions manifesting differently in different types is nothing new, they play off each other, ie Fi dominant flows via Se creative, Se flows via Fi, etc.

    My point was that to state that someone is more likely an IEE because their prerogative is to make people happy is not a particularly good argument against Fe dominance, since the concern for affecting another persons mood (happiness, in this case) is an Fe concern more so than an Fi one
    Ah OK, I thought your point was to take a tiny amount of what I said out of context and proclaim it's Fe (which is what you did).

    But, I never intended it to be a "prerogative" like you say, it's simply an observation on how ENFp's can be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84
    since the concern for affecting another persons mood (happiness, in this case) is an Fe concern more so than an Fi one
    For all I know you are getting hung up on words like mood etc, maybe applying meanings to them in a limiting term from some socionic background or something. I'm speaking organically, if you will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fi in IEE's
    When faced with a sad individual, the IEE will usually try to understand what is wrong, and will often try to coax the individual with kind words and actions.
    It seems to me they would like to affect the "mood" of a sad individual, so I don't really see the point in the overall semantic, nor particularly how much it will help determine someones type (more of a distraction, if you ask me).

    I suppose we can say, you don't like the post I made in regards to my opinion on Sarah's type, and we can leave it at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahcoles
    I have a incredibly low energy level and struggle with it on a daily basis.
    This make it very improbable that she is ESE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Monopoly? Well, let's say that's the case, Fe would also not have a monopoly on :
    Yes I agree that not only Fe's care about making people happy, though the primary concern for doing so is equated with it. Fe is not just obnoxious emotions but emotions in general, as in external use of ethics.
    Fi is focused on the relational ethics, which are internal manifestations of ethics

    Fe: "This person is sweet/warm/happy/sad/expressive/dull"
    Fi "This person is good/mean/cruel/kind/thoughtful"

    Ah OK, I thought your point was to take a tiny amount of what I said out of context and proclaim it's Fe (which is what you did).
    Perhaps you didn't intend it to be so, though you stated that Sarah is more likely not an Fe dominant since her concern is on doing things to make people happy, though simultaneously stating that she isn't concerned about influencing the emotional atmosphere.
    The argument against Fe was that she is "too subdued", which goes back to the misunderstanding that Fe is only about obnoxious emotions
    Also keeping in mind that at least 2 Fe dominants claimed to relate to Sarah in her video, at least
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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    For folks that think she's ESE....

    Quote Originally Posted by sarahcoles
    I have a incredibly low energy level and struggle with it on a daily basis.
    This make it very improbable that she is ESE.
    I know an obvious ESE who complains of the same thing. The important thing to keep in mind is that what an ESE calls "an incredibly low energy level" may still be "a superhumanly high energy level" for normal people. All it means is that they're trying to do more in one day than they have energy for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    Yes I agree that not only Fe's care about making people happy, though the primary concern for doing so is equated with it. Fe is not just obnoxious emotions but emotions in general, as in external use of ethics.
    Fi is focused on the relational ethics, which are internal manifestations of ethics

    Fe: "This person is sweet/warm/happy/sad/expressive/dull"
    Fi "This person is good/mean/cruel/kind/thoughtful"
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    Quote Originally Posted by VixenDogFox View Post
    I am an ESE who complains of low energy. It is a huge problem for me.
    I wouldn't be surprised if this was a common problem for many ESEs. As an LII, just thinking about the typical ESE day makes me tired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    I think ESE, Creative subtype.
    Exactly. C-ESE, 98% sure.

    Sarah, do you think you might be the same type (and even the same subtype) as Shakira and Alyssa Milano?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    Perhaps you didn't intend it to be so, though you stated that Sarah is more likely not an Fe dominant since her concern is on doing things to make people happy, though simultaneously stating that she isn't concerned about influencing the emotional atmosphere.
    Yes, I covered everything, who knows why you're posting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinnochio
    Actually what you stated above supports this difference he makes, imo.
    Exactly. I thought it was obvious.

    Edit: Marie84, do you actually have an opinion on Sarah's type?
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