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    Default The michelangelo Phenomenon

    Not an alternative typology, but interesting from a Socionics perspective anyway: The Michelangelo phenomenon.

    Michelangelo is suppoed to have said that when he created a scultpture, it was already present in the stone, he only had to remove the stone surrounding it.

    Similarly, a good partner can bring out the sculpture that is already within us. So basically, the Michelangelo Phenomenon and Socionics Duality are similar concepts.

    Have fun reading these articles from The Journal of Personality and Social Psychology:

    http://www.carylrusbult.com/document...Psychology.pdf (1999)

    http://www.carylrusbult.com/document...Psychology.pdf (2009)
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    Really interesting. This is my point of view

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Really interesting. This is my point of view
    Whether or not you hold that POV, when with an SEI (the ultimate discomfort avoiders) you have no other option
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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    Whether or not you hold that POV, when with an SEI (the ultimate discomfort avoiders) you have no other option
    why?
    *insert witty comment here*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabelie View Post
    why?
    SEI's are nice people and can provide a lot of comfort (actually, they provide themselves a lot of comfort first and you profit because they allow you to hop on the bandwagon). But don't ask the average SEI to drill a hole in the wall; they can, but their discomfort avoidance (ignoring Se), will make them feign incompetence (PoLR Te) to such an extent, that they themselves start believing they are not competent enough for it.

    Don't ask them to get you some groceries either, because if you ask them to buy oranges, and these are sold out at the supermarket, they'll improvise by buying you lemons instead, which to them is logical, because both are citrus (mobilizing Ti), instead of using their mobile phones to ask you what alternative you'd like. If you really must, provide very explicit instructions on how to act if they can't find what you want.

    This description is quite over the top or course, but in essence true: one shouldn't rely on SEI's for Se and Te-related activities (duh!). And I can tell: I live with one! Don't ask an SEI to lend a hand, it's not worth the trouble. Ask them to cook something nice instead. Respect them for what they are
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    haha very interesting. Thank you!
    *insert witty comment here*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabelie View Post
    haha very interesting. Thank you!
    Do you perhaps recognize yourself in this?

    P.S. SEI's are nice for hugs too!
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    although lemons are not edible.. they'd probably buy you a cantaloupe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    P.S. SEI's are nice for hugs too!
    People often compliment me on my hugs. Glad to know I'm useful for something

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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    Do you perhaps recognize yourself in this?

    P.S. SEI's are nice for hugs too!
    Yeah, I do. lol.

    *insert witty comment here*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    People often compliment me on my hugs. Glad to know I'm useful for something
    After all, Fe is SEI's social role in society, and they'd better embrace it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    although lemons are not edible.. they'd probably buy you a cantaloupe.
    Fair enough.
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    I typed Michaelangelo as an SLE.

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    When it comes to duality people who are decently knowledgeable at socionics tend to be retards. How do they tend to be retards? Well, their attitude could be poetically expressed as: "Look at me! I am the prolly member of the GZUj category; you're in EXTu category. Our categories are a good match, therefore, come here and love me! No?? But why not? I am the right category, right category for you!". "Eeeeeeeeeek! No, just no!".

    When one tries to present oneself to another using too broad category and expects something good and meaningful in return the only thing s/he'll get is rejection; which may indeed be good and meaningful if it makes one to accept a little less restricted sense of identity in the future i.e. if it makes one to subtype oneself as thoroughly as possible in future attempts at bonding and marriage. Because, in all honesty, who of you likes to be approached by people who want something from you and are not even willing to subtype themselves thoroughly? It is annoying and by all means unpleasant experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    although lemons are not edible.. they'd probably buy you a cantaloupe.
    nah, I'd get a grapefruit
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    Our categories are a good match, therefore, come here and love me! No?? But why not? I am the right category, right category for you!". "Eeeeeeeeeek! No, just no!".
    lollll
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    When it comes to duality people who are decently knowledgeable at socionics tend to be retards. How do they tend to be retards? Well, their attitude could be poetically expressed as: "Look at me! I am the prolly member of the GZUj category; you're in EXTu category. Our categories are a good match, therefore, come here and love me! No?? But why not? I am the right category, right category for you!". "Eeeeeeeeeek! No, just no!".

    When one tries to present oneself to another using too broad category and expects something good and meaningful in return the only thing s/he'll get is rejection; which may indeed be good and meaningful if it makes one to accept a little less restricted sense of identity in the future i.e. if it makes one to subtype oneself as thoroughly as possible in future attempts at bonding and marriage. Because, in all honesty, who of you likes to be approached by people who want something from you and are not even willing to subtype themselves thoroughly? It is annoying and by all means unpleasant experience.
    Forgive my lack of understanding, but what is the point you're trying to make here?
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    You are forgiven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    You are forgiven.
    Ah, such a relief.
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    By the way. this:

    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    When it comes to duality people who are decently knowledgeable at socionics tend to be retards. How do they tend to be retards? Well, their attitude could be poetically expressed as: "Look at me! I am the prolly member of the GZUj category; you're in EXTu category. Our categories are a good match, therefore, come here and love me! No?? But why not? I am the right category, right category for you!". "Eeeeeeeeeek! No, just no!".

    When one tries to present oneself to another using too broad category and expects something good and meaningful in return the only thing s/he'll get is rejection; which may indeed be good and meaningful if it makes one to accept a little less restricted sense of identity in the future i.e. if it makes one to subtype oneself as thoroughly as possible in future attempts at bonding and marriage. Because, in all honesty, who of you likes to be approached by people who want something from you and are not even willing to subtype themselves thoroughly? It is annoying and by all means unpleasant experience.
    ... is not the logic nor writing style of an LII. It's the logic and writing style of an LSI. You have confused your creative for your PoLR function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    By the way. this:



    ... is not the logic nor writing style of an LII. It's the logic and writing style of an LSI. You have confused your creative for your PoLR function.
    Anything specific IYO pointing out towards LSI there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    Anything specific IYO pointing out towards LSI there?
    Yeah, the lack of schizotypy in the autistic writing style. LII's can be autistic too, but this typically translates into schizotypy.
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    OK, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    OK, thanks.
    You're welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I typed Michaelangelo as an SLE.
    Why? He seems to me ENFj-Ni subtype alll tormented and trotured spiritually

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I typed Michaelangelo as an SLE.
    I also think his type was something like that.
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    I always thought of Michelangelo as SEI Fe



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