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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu
    On the other hand, what things do you most like about your dual? Or, what qualities would you most like in a dual?




    Ryu, I know you like your ego to be stroked, but really.......


    Ok, fine.


    Lock away the women and children. It's time.




    ***My Dual***



    - Starts with L, ends with E


    - Is awesome beyond words
    - Knows he is awesome beyond words, in precise detail of how and why
    - But isn't sure if other people know exactly how awesome he is, which secretly worries him
    - Never gets tired of hearing me say how awesome he is
    - Needs frequent reminders that I still think he's awesome (or he starts to panic)


    - Outwardly oozes cool confidence and level-headed practicality
    - Is generally quiet, thoughtful, and extreeeemely serious
    (somehow this drives me WILD instead of BORED)
    - Secretly longs to stop being so deadly serious sometimes and let it all hang out
    - Realises he can do this with me OMG
    - Acknowledges the statistical improbability of having found me and is secretly grateful
    - But probably won't say it because only women and faggots express their feelings
    - Realises he is a faggot
    - Blinks, shrugs
    (cringing in horror is too much effort, and also 99.8% unproductive)
    (as well as too gay)


    - Is terrified of losing me
    (but mainly because he'd have to endure all that tedious dating crap again)
    - Is therefore willing to tolerate my imperfections, which he can precisely list


    - Has few words but when he does speak he always has a 'point'
    - Is always direct, doesn't beat around the bush
    - Can be sharp and crude
    (which my patience helps me to endure, unless it's funny)
    - Has an opinion about everything
    - Can be stubborn and cocky as all hell when he thinks he knows better
    (which I find strangely CHARMING instead of IRRITATING)
    - But is easily reduced to uncertainty or guilt by my kryptonic superpowers
    (which he finds strangely COMPELLING instead of SHAMELESSLY MANIPULATIVE)
    (which I find sweetly amusing and what the hell, might as well use it if it works)



    - Has an unbelievably hypnotic, calming effect on me by his mere presence
    - Is inspired by my brilliant ideas
    (as long as they have some practical use)
    - Is soothed by my laid-back "everything is ok, please calm the fuck down" vibes
    - Has a somewhat black, sadistic sense of humour, but is never deliberately nasty
    - Knows how to kick my lazy ass into gear when I'm procrastinating
    - Sincerely congratulates me on my successes
    - But secretly keeps a mental scorecard of who is more successful



    - Tries to show initiative in romantic situations, but is always unsure if he's doing the right thing
    - Tends to be wooden and formal when performing dating rituals
    - Would be almost entirely clueless without having read a manual or FAQ beforehand
    (which I find EXTREMELY ENDEARING and somewhat funny)
    (and gently help to steer him in all the right directions)
    (which I can see he greatly - but silently - appreciates)


    - Nervously observes my external reactions at all times for clues to success of his initiatives:

    IF reaction=expected result of his input

    THEN
    {
    HUGE inward sigh of relief;
    congratulate self on successful action, which was of course expected anyway;
    continue to step B as planned;
    }

    ELSE
    {
    explosive random(panic;anger;irritation;fear;anxiety);
    immediate review of possible causes for failure;
    mental note of defective parts of plan for future reference;
    initiate secondary procedures;
    }


    - Isn't scared to kill a roach
    - Rolls his eyes (slightly) at my illogical squeamishness
    - Will adhere to my instructions to use humane methods when despatching the roach
    (eg. fast, fun flamethrower instead of slow, painful bug spray)
    - Will immediately think of ways to prevent future roach problem (even if 3am)



    - Is dead serious about the things he is passionate about
    - Expects everyone to take these things just as seriously
    - Is right about everything -related and he knows it, arguing with him is pointless
    - Does not suffer fools lightly
    - Traitors will be marked and remembered till the day he dies
    - Their pleading is not likely to inspire any sympathy, they've had their chance



    - Will (hopefully) not drag me to godawful noisy clubs and bars till all hours of the morning
    - Will think of more "productive" and useful activities to keep us entertained
    - Prefers it when it's just the two of us instead of a group



    (I realise some of these points may not be strictly type-related but maybe at least somewhat common for ESTjs?)




    Ok, I guess that's all I can think of for now.



    Go ahead, guys, climb into me.

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    He's not LSE, he's fishing for attention you dipshit.

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    seems to be a lot of Fe in that post. Could you be an INFp or Beta type?
    Hi! I'm an ENFP. :-)

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    This could describe an LSI... or maybe an SLE.



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    It actually sounds much more like an LSE.
    I doubt an INFp would write that, it's far too obedient. Such obedience would make me feel weak, embarrassed, and vulnerable. It's kind of like the obedience you see in a dog.. it seems unjustified. Dogs are so ready to please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shagbag The Wizard View Post



    Ryu, I know you like your ego to be stroked, but really.......


    Ok, fine.


    Lock away the women and children. It's time.




    ***My Dual***



    - Starts with L, ends with E


    - Is awesome beyond words
    - Knows he is awesome beyond words, in precise detail of how and why
    - But isn't sure if other people know exactly how awesome he is, which secretly worries him
    - Never gets tired of hearing me say how awesome he is
    - Needs frequent reminders that I still think he's awesome (or he starts to panic)

    ...
    I could care less about your praising of me, and constantly praising me would be a turnoff. You remind me of going on a date with an IEI and all she did was try to smile at me and tell me how awesome I was. It's rather annoying to me.


    What you listed there (referring to small list in the above quote), to me that is exactly the relationship between an SLE (who is looking hardcore for , as in, you expressing your opinion that he's awesome) and you an IEI, who wants to focus on letting your dual know how awesome he is. I really suggest you try to watch SLE-IEI (or LSI-EIE) interactions in real life.



    If you want I could go through the rest of your post and point out why I think it seems IEI/EIE>EII, but I don't know if it's necessary or worth it.

    I think once you come to terms with the reality that "LSEs" as you see them don't actually appreciate the things you do, and that the beta quadra is much more lively and receptive to sharing things the way you like it, it will be easier to see yourself as beta. Eventually, you'll might come to see delta as being too boring, especially in terms of how you go about emotions - this whole focus on 'awesomeness' you have? It's much better suited towards beta romancing than delta relationships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    What you listed there (referring to small list in the above quote), to me that is exactly the relationship between an SLE (who is looking hardcore for , as in, you expressing your opinion that he's awesome) and you an IEI, who wants to focus on letting your dual know how awesome he is. I really suggest you try to watch SLE-IEI (or LSI-EIE) interactions in real life.
    no, that is pure bullshit. the beta relationship is not characterized by praise.. i am IEI and i think that shit is retarded. i never praise anyone, ever. infact i don't think i know how..
    what you people are seeing as INFp is actually just him being a flaming fag.
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    Nobody should ever talk to UDP ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    seems to be a lot of Fe in that post. Could you be an INFp or Beta type?

    To me, it oozes beta.
    I don't think Shebag realizes how much better other elements would fit would fit...

    - Has an unbelievably hypnotic, calming effect on me by his mere presence
    - Is inspired by my brilliant ideas
    (as long as they have some practical use)
    - Is soothed by my laid-back "everything is ok, please calm the fuck down" vibes
    - Has a somewhat black, sadistic sense of humour, but is never deliberately nasty
    - Knows how to kick my lazy ass into gear when I'm procrastinating
    - Sincerely congratulates me on my successes
    - But secretly keeps a mental scorecard of who is more successful
    That is not good evidence of being delta, but good evidence of being beta... And it would make a lot more sense in this way...

    - Has an unbelievably hypnotic, calming effect on me by his mere presence
    and wouldn't that make sense for an LSI to have on an EIE?
    - Is inspired by my brilliant ideas
    a beta NF would be more focused on 'inspiring' and creating an emotional lift or trying to spur on someone's drive, get their passion flowing...

    (as long as they have some practical use)
    This sounds a lot like a rationalized caveat so it still fits with some things you read in a delta profile about 'practicality'
    - Is soothed by my laid-back "everything is ok, please calm the fuck down" vibes
    This seems like you're both confused and trying to rationalize things into an EII having a 'calming presence'. (I wonder if you have issues seeing yourself as an EIE, say, because you think an "ENFj" is too 'extraverted' for you?). At any rate, you put a large emphasis on 'mood' (to be simple), and it seems it would be better for you to see that you having a more Fe than Fi focus.
    - Has a somewhat black, sadistic sense of humour, but is never deliberately nasty
    Beta >>>>>> Delta
    - Knows how to kick my lazy ass into gear when I'm procrastinating
    Both delta and beta NFs might feel that way, but even how you say that seems more beta. I have a feeling in reality you like what Ti+Se is, more than Te+Si is...
    - Sincerely congratulates me on my successes
    - But secretly keeps a mental scorecard of who is more successful
    These two seem especially how an EIE and LSI would react. And I certainly wouldn't label those qualities as something I'd think of when describing my dual. It seems very beta, and very much aggressor/victim - the constant 'challenge' and 'competitiveness' of a relationship.
    Like I said before, I think taking a new look at how betas and deltas are different, and which really applies to you (Shebag) more would be useful. You're describing a lot of thing about yourself that easily fit more into beta than delta, but you seem to be trying to force it through EII terminology that you read from various profiles or sites. I did that too when I first started, somewhat. Bottom line though, your post about your dual is a very strong push toward beta NF, to me.
    Pre-2013 post are written with incomplete understanding.

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    Actually it's not Beta at all. Go fuck yourself, Jesse.

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    It's far too simplistic to say it's definitely not Beta or Delta or SLE or LSE or whatever.

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    Oh excellent! Quadra tagteaming rules again.

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    - Is soothed by my laid-back "everything is ok, please calm the fuck down" vibes
    This seems like evidence of Intratim (Shag) and Extratim (his dual).



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    maybe its the skeptic in me but this dude doesnt make sense. he comes off fe-valuing but his list contradicts it. his name is shagbag, either hes fucking with us or theres some misinterpretation going on. as it stands he's a walking contradiction of a type.
    <Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not

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    Alpha maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    Do you seriously believe in Socionics, anyway?
    Yes. Why do you ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu
    I could care less about your praising of me, and constantly praising me would be a turnoff. You remind me of going on a date with an IEI and all she did was try to smile at me and tell me how awesome I was. It's rather annoying to me.
    You're conflictor praised you, it was really annoying, Shagbag is praising you too?

    Must be really annoying to have all these admirers :-)


    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu
    What you listed there (referring to small list in the above quote), to me that is exactly the relationship between an SLE (who is looking hardcore for , as in, you expressing your opinion that he's awesome) and you an IEI, who wants to focus on letting your dual know how awesome he is. I really suggest you try to watch SLE-IEI (or LSI-EIE) interactions in real life.



    If you want I could go through the rest of your post and point out why I think it seems IEI/EIE>EII, but I don't know if it's necessary or worth it.

    I think once you come to terms with the reality that "LSEs" as you see them don't actually appreciate the things you do, and that the beta quadra is much more lively and receptive to sharing things the way you like it, it will be easier to see yourself as beta. Eventually, you'll might come to see delta as being too boring, especially in terms of how you go about emotions - this whole focus on 'awesomeness' you have? It's much better suited towards beta romancing than delta relationships.
    To me, you're categorising people in a way which you think is represented in a theoretical sense, like putting Delta and Beta into a straightjacket rather than roughly 1/4 of entire populations each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    ESE?
    While it wouldn't bother me to have another ESE here, please don't decide this by process of elimination!

    EDIT: Or at least, not this process of elimination.



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    See, this is why I believe in Socionics!

    It really brings people together, and what ultimately sets them apart from the Savage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    See, this is why I believe in Socionics! It really brings people together, and what ultimately sets them apart from the Savage.
    What type is the Savage?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    What type is the Savage?
    The Savage doesn't have a type, he just hits people over the head with his club.

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    It's far too simplistic to say it's definitely not Beta or Delta or SLE or LSE or whatever.
    Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    ESE?
    *shrug* idk, just gauging the effusive, lighthearted manner of expression. Probably not LII in any case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thePirate View Post
    maybe its the skeptic in me but this dude doesnt make sense. he comes off fe-valuing but his list contradicts it. his name is shagbag, either hes fucking with us or theres some misinterpretation going on. as it stands he's a walking contradiction of a type.
    The amusing thing is i've thought this too, things don't fully add up for me either for now, his stories are a little too glossed over in some aspects. It occured to me it's somavision playing another account, but I don't know for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shagbag The Wizard View Post
    ***My Dual***
    Fe ego
    "And above all, watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely places. Those who don't believe in magic will never find it." -Roald Dahl

    http://forum.socionix.com/
    It's pretty cool

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    Back when I typed myself as INTp, the reason I KNEW I wasn't INFp was because I hated the the shit people on this forum called "Fe". Turns out that wasn't what Fe was at all, and I had my type wrong because of it. I know Fi ego types who pussify shit all the time. My ESFp sister is constantly pussifying shit. I know an ISFj girl who pussifies everything. My INFj sister pussifies everything. Infact, I think Fi does it more! Seeing pussy shit is not proof of Fe ego!
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    Who are the Beta bouncers nowadays btw?

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    I'm a fuckin Beta bouncer god dammit.
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    Right, instead of just calling you out or saying what you think is wrong or right. I'm just going to go ahead and go through this list and bold out anything I personally can relate to / things that describe me in a relationship setting (I.E. Traits I think I posses). The important thing to keep in mind would obviously be that I am SLE.

    Things that I can really relate to will be underlined as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shagbag The Wizard View Post



    Ryu, I know you like your ego to be stroked, but really.......


    Ok, fine.


    Lock away the women and children. It's time.




    ***My Dual***



    - Starts with L, ends with E


    - Is awesome beyond words
    - Knows he is awesome beyond words, in precise detail of how and why
    - But isn't sure if other people know exactly how awesome he is, which secretly worries him
    - Never gets tired of hearing me say how awesome he is
    - Needs frequent reminders that I still think he's awesome (or he starts to panic)


    - Outwardly oozes cool confidence and level-headed practicality
    - Is generally quiet, thoughtful, and extreeeemely serious
    (somehow this drives me WILD instead of BORED) (Definitely depends on who I'm with, more mellow with certain people than with others. Definitely more crazy at certain times than others. Sometimes I'm downright mellow)
    - Secretly longs to stop being so deadly serious sometimes and let it all hang out
    - Realises he can do this with me OMG
    - Acknowledges the statistical improbability of having found me and is secretly grateful
    - But probably won't say it because only women and faggots express their feelings
    - Realises he is a faggot (If what your getting as is, that you want some one who contradicts themselves I.E. doesn't express their feelings but does. then yes I can relate to this.)
    - Blinks, shrugs
    (cringing in horror is too much effort, and also 99.8% unproductive)
    (as well as too gay)


    - Is terrified of losing me
    (but mainly because he'd have to endure all that tedious dating crap again) (FUCK DATING! and courtship and all that fucking... SHIT!)
    - Is therefore willing to tolerate my imperfections, which he can precisely list (Depends on what they are.)


    - Has few words but when he does speak he always has a 'point'
    - Is always direct, doesn't beat around the bush
    - Can be sharp and crude
    (which my patience helps me to endure, unless it's funny)
    - Has an opinion about everything
    - Can be stubborn and cocky as all hell when he thinks he knows better
    (which I find strangely CHARMING instead of IRRITATING)

    - But is easily reduced to uncertainty or guilt by my kryptonic superpowers
    (which he finds strangely COMPELLING instead of SHAMELESSLY MANIPULATIVE)
    (which I find sweetly amusing and what the hell, might as well use it if it works)



    - Has an unbelievably hypnotic, calming effect on me by his mere presence
    - Is inspired by my brilliant ideas
    (as long as they have some practical use) (I don't know if this is Ne, but I'm most certainly the type of person who when some one has a brilliant idea to do activity x, I jump up and say "Fuck yes!")
    - Is soothed by my laid-back "everything is ok, please calm the fuck down" vibes (Useful specifically when I get worked up and don't understand specifically why)
    - Has a somewhat black, sadistic sense of humour, but is never deliberately nasty (Dead babies, anyone?)
    - Knows how to kick my lazy ass into gear when I'm procrastinating
    - Sincerely congratulates me on my successes
    - But secretly keeps a mental scorecard of who is more successful



    - Tries to show initiative in romantic situations, but is always unsure if he's doing the right thing
    - Tends to be wooden and formal when performing dating rituals (Really cause their are awkward as shit and I don't know what to do. Essentially, I force myself to be formal with people I like because I know that mauling them whenever I want isn't really appropriate yet.)
    - Would be almost entirely clueless without having read a manual or FAQ beforehand
    (which I find EXTREMELY ENDEARING and somewhat funny)
    (and gently help to steer him in all the right directions)
    (which I can see he greatly - but silently - appreciates)



    - Nervously observes my external reactions at all times for clues to success of his initiatives:

    IF reaction=expected result of his input

    THEN
    {
    HUGE inward sigh of relief;
    congratulate self on successful action, which was of course expected anyway;
    continue to step B as planned;

    }

    ELSE
    {
    explosive random(panic;anger;irritation;fear;anxiety);
    immediate review of possible causes for failure;
    mental note of defective parts of plan for future reference;
    initiate secondary procedures;

    }


    - Isn't scared to kill a roach
    - Rolls his eyes (slightly) at my illogical squeamishness
    - Will adhere to my instructions to use humane methods when despatching the roach (I'd laugh about it though)
    (eg. fast, fun flamethrower instead of slow, painful bug spray)
    - Will immediately think of ways to prevent future roach problem (even if 3am) (Maybe? Depends on my mood?)



    - Is dead serious about the things he is passionate about
    - Expects everyone to take these things just as seriously
    - Is right about everything -related and he knows it, arguing with him is pointless
    - Does not suffer fools lightly (I'm actually getting better at this recently, I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.)
    - Traitors will be marked and remembered till the day he dies (I rarely if ever hold a grudge, but when I do... Let's just say it's a good thing I have stan to tell me when to hold back.)
    - Their pleading is not likely to inspire any sympathy, they've had their chance (I has funny stories about this.)



    - Will (hopefully) not drag me to godawful noisy clubs and bars till all hours of the morning (Nope, I dunno if this one is type related or not, but I don't like clubs. I've got negative associations. As for bars, why bother? In this situation I'd clearly be in a relationship, why not drink at home?)
    - Will think of more "productive" and useful activities to keep us entertained
    - Prefers it when it's just the two of us instead of a group (Depends, I have to be kept interested)



    (I realise some of these points may not be strictly type-related but maybe at least somewhat common for ESTjs?)




    Ok, I guess that's all I can think of for now.



    Go ahead, guys, climb into me.

    Rioght. So basically I'm going to let you draw your own conclusions. Keeping in mind that some of the things you mentioned may not be type related, and some might be. Some may also be type related in a way that both beta and delta STs can relate. I'm not really concerned with sorting that crap out right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shagbag The Wizard View Post

    Lock away the women and children. It's time.
    lol!

    How about I will just consider you as subtype "smartass" to type XXXX



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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    I'm a fuckin Beta bouncer god dammit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solidad View Post
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    haha, i've thought this too for myself at times.

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    I could of course be wrong, duh. But my opinion is UDP is right and this is not an INFj. If this person is an INFj I would be shocked. And if they are INFj, why aren't UDP and I both having a more positive reaction to this person?

    I've never heard an INFj say "dead serious." I have heard ENFjs and INFps say "dead serious" much more often. The phrase adds a bit of melodrama that I've seen often in Beta.

    "Expects everyone to take these things just as seriously." To me this also points to Beta. It leaves little room for individuality, which is what Delta is all about (Beta is all about that in a different way, but this phrase indicates that we must all do what's necessary for the goal, which is not Delta.)

    "Is right about everything and knows it. Arguing with him is pointless." This sounds like Ti and Se. There is no point to argue with him, because he'll throw some Se at you and make you stop. He is right about "everything" because he is using a Ti system that can say "everything" and "nothing." Te almost never uses "everything" and "nothing" as it is more flexible. Most Te valuers won't believe someone knows "all" and doesn't want someone to know "everything" as it's impossible to do so, and changes based on the situation anyway. So clearly not valuing Te, but instead Ti and Se.

    "Traitors will be marked and remembered till the day he dies" This sounds like a line out of a Beta movie. This is far too movie-like to be Delta. Delta LSEs are kind of boring (in a way that I like anyway, but this poster probably wouldn't) and not "out to avenge the world till the day they die." This also is Se. Te and Si would avoid, but not particularly even remember. It wouldn't be of interest to remember this.

    "Their pleading is not likely to inspire any sympathy, they've had their chance." Also Se. Oh well, you messed up, time to die now. That's Se. That's not Si or Te. Especially not Te, which might say, well it's a different situation and things have changed, and I don't want to put you in pain, so I'm just going to ignore you.

    And that's just a few lines. Clearly, not Delta.

    - Is dead serious about the things he is passionate about
    - Expects everyone to take these things just as seriously
    - Is right about everything -related and he knows it, arguing with him is pointless
    - Does not suffer fools lightly
    - Traitors will be marked and remembered till the day he dies
    - Their pleading is not likely to inspire any sympathy, they've had their chance
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    What he describes sounds like - if it is an ESTj - someone with a high Te sub-type, and if this Shagbag is an INFj, he sounds like an Ne sub type.

    Anyway, you may very well be right, maybe he isn't Delta. I find some of his stuff strange as well, maybe i'll come round to it, i'll think some more -- he just seems to give conflicting messages (which made me wonder if he's a real account).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    I could of course be wrong, duh. But my opinion is UDP is right and this is not an INFj. If this person is an INFj I would be shocked. And if they are INFj, why aren't UDP and I both having a more positive reaction to this person?

    I've never heard an INFj say "dead serious." I have heard ENFjs and INFps say "dead serious" much more often. The phrase adds a bit of melodrama that I've seen often in Beta.

    "Expects everyone to take these things just as seriously." To me this also points to Beta. It leaves little room for individuality, which is what Delta is all about (Beta is all about that in a different way, but this phrase indicates that we must all do what's necessary for the goal, which is not Delta.)

    "Is right about everything and knows it. Arguing with him is pointless." This sounds like Ti and Se. There is no point to argue with him, because he'll throw some Se at you and make you stop. He is right about "everything" because he is using a Ti system that can say "everything" and "nothing." Te almost never uses "everything" and "nothing" as it is more flexible. Most Te valuers won't believe someone knows "all" and doesn't want someone to know "everything" as it's impossible to do so, and changes based on the situation anyway. So clearly not valuing Te, but instead Ti and Se.

    "Traitors will be marked and remembered till the day he dies" This sounds like a line out of a Beta movie. This is far too movie-like to be Delta. Delta LSEs are kind of boring (in a way that I like anyway, but this poster probably wouldn't) and not "out to avenge the world till the day they die." This also is Se. Te and Si would avoid, but not particularly even remember. It wouldn't be of interest to remember this.

    "Their pleading is not likely to inspire any sympathy, they've had their chance." Also Se. Oh well, you messed up, time to die now. That's Se. That's not Si or Te. Especially not Te, which might say, well it's a different situation and things have changed, and I don't want to put you in pain, so I'm just going to ignore you.

    And that's just a few lines. Clearly, not Delta.

    - Is dead serious about the things he is passionate about
    - Expects everyone to take these things just as seriously
    - Is right about everything -related and he knows it, arguing with him is pointless
    - Does not suffer fools lightly
    - Traitors will be marked and remembered till the day he dies
    - Their pleading is not likely to inspire any sympathy, they've had their chance


    I can see Shabag embracing beta once he realizes "how much cooler they are"; that is, how much more in line they are with his own values than delta.
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    I was afraid of this. Shag, you're probably beta NF. Sorry to break it to you. I was doing my best to buy the EII thing, but that description, while it contained several elements of just generic NF-ST stuff, and even INF-EST stuff, was just too darn close to IEI-SLE interaction for me to buy the EII typing any longer without some serious evidence to the contrary. So, for the moment, I'm going to assume you're IEI or EIE.

    My last line of defense was that maybe you're just a teenager/early-twentysomething and even delta teenagers seem more beta-ish (not that teenagers are bad, I'm still a teenager)... but then I think Director Abbie is a teenager and she's about as not-beta as they come, so... yeah, you're probably beta. Apparently the beta NF establishment isn't a huge fan of yours atm... but w/e, everyone will come to love you. Also, for the good news, your dual gets to be SLE!!! The awesome type! Not LSE (the boring type). Of course, also your life has to be constant struggle for you to be happy and if you're not striving you'll consider yourself effectively dead... but you'll discover all that in time. Welcome to beta!

    Also, if it makes you feel better, I also felt vaguely "bullied by the jocks" especially in middle school (but then, everything is worse in middle school). Actually, I probably felt more bullied by the jocks than I actually was.

    Re: LSE vs. SLE

    SLEs, yes, can be loud and wild and crazy in groups, but I've found that they are generally way calmer when it's a one-on-one chill time deal. In fact, the SLEs I know are usually calmer than me when it comes down to it. Also, shamelessly manipulative is a clearly beta NF trait, and yes, (most) SLEs don't mind it if you're nice enough about it. Also, monitoring for external reactions (to discern internal state) is a manifestly beta ST trait. SLEs especially need external signals of emotions because they either aren't good at or just don't like to discern emotions without an external manifestation (i.e., Fi polr). LSEs would prefer that you tell them how you feel in a sort of straightforward, almost factual manner. Deltas are the ones therapists are talking to when they tell couples to use the formulation "when you did x it made me feel y." That stuff would work great coming from an IEE therapist to an LSE-EII couple. SLEs, on the other hand, would generally not stand for that crap unless the have come to the conclusion (via Ti) that relationship counseling works. A good IEI would tell them not to stand for said crap, and make it unnecessary by providing, as you said, an external manifestation of all their feelings.

    Now, most of this post is fairly joking in nature (except the LSE/SLE stuff, I do think that's true), and you may still in fact be EII. But I have to say that all the evidence I've seen so far points towards Fe-valuing and Se-seeking, and the only quadra where those two fit together is beta.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    [QUOTE=aixelsyd;614596] 'nuh-uh-uh, you're not type XYZ, you're ZYX' then something is pretty sour in the typing mill.
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    haha. It's like a quasi-identical joke. Well, I mean, I guess it's XYZ and YXZ... but I still thought it was really funny.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    you people are wrong and stupid.
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    I was so right about this guy.

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