Unconventional, creative, artistic ESTjs

**tiny_dancer** · 02-22-2010, 03:57 PM

I know several Si and Se dominants who have a natural sense of style, but it's not always connected. I know several SLIs who are in design professions, and I know others who are...style impaired. But they reallyreallyreally like certain articles of clothing, and they won't let go of them, even if they're tacky. Hideous, even. Or they like having their house decorated/arranged a certain way. They're definitely sure of what they like, whether it's generally accepted as stylish or not. If an LSE has a art-oriented hobby, I'm sure they can be good at it.

**UDP** · 02-22-2010, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by tiny_dancer

If an LSE has a art-oriented hobby, I'm sure they can be good at it.

The art of facilitating physical pleasure

**Beautiful sky** · 02-23-2010, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Ryu

The art of facilitating physical pleasure

That is somewhat true...because of their very well developed orbiofrontal cortex...also the second well developed is the ESFj

**Beautiful sky** · 02-23-2010, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by tiny_dancer

I know several Si and Se dominants who have a natural sense of style, but it's not always connected. I know several SLIs who are in design professions, and I know others who are...style impaired. But they reallyreallyreally like certain articles of clothing, and they won't let go of them, even if they're tacky. Hideous, even. Or they like having their house decorated/arranged a certain way. They're definitely sure of what they like, whether it's generally accepted as stylish or not. If an LSE has a art-oriented hobby, I'm sure they can be good at it.

That is sometimes try, especially when that involves brand name articles, SLI are often reluctant to "give" them away. ENTp's go all out in arts and crafts as well, they are not financially motivated to make money from their creations, so, your mom may be ENTp's who knows...need to VI

**UDP** · 02-23-2010, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Maritsa33

That is somewhat true...because of their very well developed orbiofrontal cortex...also the second well developed is the ESFj

Do you think your posting on this forum at an unhealthy level?

**Smilingeyes** · 02-27-2010, 08:57 PM

I've suspected for a while that Ridley Scott is ESTj. Haven't really looked into it though.

**Jarno** · 02-28-2010, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Maritsa33

All here are ESFp women
INFJ.org: Image: BAD2

Great I got fat ass grannys as dual.

**Marie84** · 02-28-2010, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by Smilingeyes

I've suspected for a while that Ridley Scott is ESTj. Haven't really looked into it though.

Se/Ni introvert

**UDP** · 02-28-2010, 07:35 PM

@vixendogfox

I'm just so used to INFx females being in that position, it's kind of throwing me off to consider ESTx.

**Minde** · 02-28-2010, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Ryu

@vixendogfox

I'm just so used to INFx females being in that position, it's kind of throwing me off to consider ESTx.

Knowing you I'm pretty sure I understand what you mean, and even if that's supposed to be just a joke, I find it a little offensive.

**UDP** · 02-28-2010, 08:31 PM

Yes, the position she was sitting in.
It is not a comment I'd find Minde to find appealing, joke or no.
It was a vulgar remark.

I didn't mean it in an offensive way to your friend, I'm more making fun of INFp/INFj stereotypes, and being crass myself.

Mhm.

**Beautiful sky** · 03-01-2010, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Jarno

Great I got fat ass grannys as dual.

They are not INFj's. So, you are ESTj after all.

@vixendogfox

I'm not sure about your friend's type there, could be ESFj or ESTj. Most if not all of your depression would stem from career satisfaction and personal relationship (I'm sorry to put this public), but it is type related and I'll tell you how to get over them.

**JWC3** · 10-01-2010, 03:11 AM

Just fuck off.

**leckysupport** · 10-01-2010, 03:22 AM

The character kind of reminds me of Abbie.

**Beautiful sky** · 10-01-2010, 03:31 AM

Ask Stan to mediate whatever troubles you're having.

**UDP** · 10-01-2010, 04:53 AM

jealousy
inadequacy
or enjoying being 'protective' to win the esteem of a lady

3 guesses

**Marie84** · 10-01-2010, 06:43 AM

I'm intrigued. What did the LSE do?

**stanprollyright** · 10-01-2010, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Maritsa33

Ask Stan to mediate whatever troubles you're having.

No.

**krieger** · 10-01-2010, 05:45 PM

Leonardo Da Vinci.

**DirectorAbbie** · 10-01-2010, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Marie84

I'm intrigued. What did the LSE do?

Apparently something to make JWC3 jealous.

**ladyinred** · 10-01-2010, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Ryu

jealousy
inadequacy
or enjoying being 'protective' to win the esteem of a lady

Originally Posted by Director Abbie

Apparently something to make JWC3 jealous.

Why would you guys assume these things? Maybe he has a legit reason. Probably, even.

**Park** · 10-02-2010, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by ladyinred

Why would you guys assume these things? Maybe he has a legit reason. Probably, even.

Or maybe he has no reason... but yeah, take it easy assumptive Deltoids.

Back to topic.

**The Greeter** · 10-02-2010, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by ladyinred

Why would you guys assume these things? Maybe he has a legit reason. Probably, even.

Maybe he should state them then.

**JWC3** · 10-07-2010, 02:45 AM

What did the LSE do?

Be overly professional, and generally stifling to the creative environment.

It's theater, have some god damn fun, lighten up, and if the creative process happens to be one of light hearted frivolity then go with it. Don't impose your unsolicited "professionalism".

So essentially, don't fuck with my Fe. Let the mood go where ever the hell it wants to you fucks.

**Marie84** · 10-07-2010, 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by JWC3

What did the LSE do?

Be overly professional, and generally stifling to the creative environment.

It's theater, have some god damn fun, lighten up, and if the creative process happens to be one of light hearted frivolity then go with it. Don't impose your unsolicited "professionalism".

So essentially, don't fuck with my Fe. Let the mood go where ever the hell it wants to you fucks.

yeah, that sounds about right. If this person isn't a superior, all you guys have to do to get him/her off your backs is to tell him/her what she can do to help, a project, anything, just something to do.
I'd imagine there's a lot of off time in things like theater where there's no actual work or instructions to be done; so I can understand why an LSE could be seen as an annoyance in an atmosphere like that

**Simon Ssmall** · 10-07-2010, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by JWC3

What did the LSE do?

Be overly professional, and generally stifling to the creative environment.

It's theater, have some god damn fun, lighten up, and if the creative process happens to be one of light hearted frivolity then go with it. Don't impose your unsolicited "professionalism".

So essentially, don't fuck with my Fe. Let the mood go where ever the hell it wants to you fucks.

I wouldnt consider theater "fun, lighten up" place whatsoever. Probably the most fun is had in improvisation, but usually that is also controlled to an extent. Unless someone forgot the lines or just said something totally unrelated, which is always fun for the actors to play out without anyone noticing. Im still not sure WHAT the LSE done to you as it would depend on the part about light hearted frivolity (as in what it is). LSE is probably just being boring though

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**DirectorAbbie** · 10-07-2010, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by JWC3

It's theater, have some god damn fun, lighten up, and if the creative process happens to be one of light hearted frivolity then go with it. Don't impose your unsolicited "professionalism".

Theatre is very fun, but that doesn't mean a production can be low-quality.

**JWC3** · 10-07-2010, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Director Abbie

Theatre is very fun, but that doesn't mean a production can be low-quality.

Fun =//= low quality. I absolutely abhor shows when it seems like the actors aren't enjoying themselves on stage. Even in dramas. You have to want to be there.

**DirectorAbbie** · 10-07-2010, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by JWC3

Fun =//= low quality. I absolutely abhor shows when it seems like the actors aren't enjoying themselves on stage. Even in dramas. You have to want to be there.

Certainly. So why can't LSEs be perfectionists and have fun at the same time?

**JWC3** · 10-07-2010, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Director Abbie

Certainly. So why can't LSEs be perfectionists and have fun at the same time?

They can be, they can do whatever the hell they want. Just not around me, I need that air of light heartedness to do a good job and I really don't appreciate people who put perfection above the mood of the cast mates, when for me that very mood is my own personal means to perfection.

**DirectorAbbie** · 10-07-2010, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by JWC3

They can be, they can do whatever the hell they want. Just not around me, I need that air of light heartedness to do a good job and I really don't appreciate people who put perfection above the mood of the cast mates, when for me that very mood is my own personal means to perfection.

You're moody.

When I act, I flip a switch and become my character. Sometimes I leave it flipped backstage.

**JWC3** · 10-07-2010, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Director Abbie

You're moody.

I'm an actor. . .

**Beautiful sky** · 10-08-2010, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by JWC3

What did the LSE do?

Be overly professional, and generally stifling to the creative environment.

It's theater, have some god damn fun, lighten up, and if the creative process happens to be one of light hearted frivolity then go with it. Don't impose your unsolicited "professionalism".

So essentially, don't fuck with my Fe. Let the mood go where ever the hell it wants to you fucks.

This is how I feel when I go dancing with my dual, everything is a chance to get better at something and concentrate on doing the "work" correctly

My natural tendency to take it lightly and have fun attracts my conflictors. Thanks, now I can be stiff when I have fun and attract my duals; that's because I don't have Te and I just waste energy doing as much dancing as I can; my duals tend to take it in steps, which is nice sometimes, because they can manage my energy and help me conserve my energy, but it's not nice when you're being critiqued at fun.. great hint...

**Marie84** · 10-08-2010, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Director Abbie

You're moody.

Originally Posted by JWC3

I'm an actor. . .

**Words** · 10-08-2010, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by JWC3

What did the LSE do?

Be overly professional, and generally stifling to the creative environment.

It's theater, have some god damn fun, lighten up, and if the creative process happens to be one of light hearted frivolity then go with it. Don't impose your unsolicited "professionalism".

So essentially, don't fuck with my Fe. Let the mood go where ever the hell it wants to you fucks.

I find your approach would stifle my creativity. Instead of forcing people to be "professional" you want to force people to "lighten up and have some god damn fun" which would irritate me. My compromise would be to have fun when the works done, but yeah who cares everything sucks anyway.

**Simon Ssmall** · 10-08-2010, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by JWC3

Fun =//= low quality. I absolutely abhor shows when it seems like the actors aren't enjoying themselves on stage. Even in dramas. You have to want to be there.

Unfortunately quite often an actor is just a tool, the director is the one pulling the strings. That's why I said I dont consider theater a lighthearted, fun place. Ive seen people who had to suicide on stage( as in act suicide) three times a week and it wasnt fun, nor was the effects of that on the person. I also saw acting students humiliated in various ways (like forced to act naked) until they would be able to do everything the director wants them to. Etc. etc. etc. That doesnt mean there is no fun in theater, self-expression alone, being on stage is fun in itself, occasional improvisations too and not to mention actors are one of the most fun people on their own with whom you will never get bored and if they are working in the same theater it will be more like a family than just co-workers. So yeh, its fun, just I dont think in a way you see it.

**jewels** · 10-09-2010, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by Ssmall

Unfortunately quite often an actor is just a tool, the director is the one pulling the strings. That's why I said I dont consider theater a lighthearted, fun place. Ive seen people who had to suicide on stage( as in act suicide) three times a week and it wasnt fun, nor was the effects of that on the person. I also saw acting students humiliated in various ways (like forced to act naked) until they would be able to do everything the director wants them to. Etc. etc. etc. That doesnt mean there is no fun in theater, self-expression alone, being on stage is fun in itself, occasional improvisations too and not to mention actors are one of the most fun people on their own with whom you will never get bored and if they are working in the same theater it will be more like a family than just co-workers. So yeh, its fun, just I dont think in a way you see it.

wow that sounds horrible!!

I've seen directors make actors cry, but nothing like that! Wow. Sounds like abuse or something.

**Simon Ssmall** · 10-09-2010, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by jewels

wow that sounds horrible!!

I've seen directors make actors cry, but nothing like that! Wow. Sounds like abuse or something.

Acting became popular and for the wrong reasons, so thats one of the ways they try to "filter out" people who really want it from those who want it because it sounds good. Yeh it does sound like abuse but when I heard it from one of the students I couldnt say I was shocked in any way, I just accepted it as a natural thing. Cant say I can explain why, I probably just saw too much of the theater from the back to be surprised of things like that.