Conversation with a friend (James) who tried to type here ages ago, thinks he is ENFp now which I think is a good typing.
12:03 PM i got on there to look at the old post we did for me a week or so ago
12:04 PM me: where they all said you were enfj?
James: and infp
James: infp and enfj were equally voted
intp was only like twice
let me find it again
12:05 PM me: you're not intp, that's for sure
I think our relationship is probably mirror tbh, it's similar to with my brother I suppose
12:08 PM me: identity crisis!
12:09 PM James: so intense
really intense guy that moffmike9
me: well you definitely sound Beta in this
James: i know right!!!
me: defending the underdog! strong opinions!
you seem to not be that way lately though?
12:10 PM James: not really lately
i used to be really passionate
about like, "helping progress good"
my whole life seems to go up and down
so who knows
12:11 PM me: From that weird zipper video....
guy on left: Gamma NT, maybe INTp
guy on right: maybe INFp
"weird zipper video"
me: where is that thing
that was hilarious, it's gone from youtube
12:12 PM James: ikr
yeah idk, im not a very confident guy
me: I definitely agree on Si Super-Ego, but I don't think he has an EJ temperament at all. IP, maybe IJ, but not EJ. His behavior is too inconsistent.
He also values Se, I could see INxP for that reason as well.
guess I thought you were an introvert too
James: you did
12:13 PM hahaha
me: alright so your post 17
does xxxxx fit those things?
send me link
12:14 PM i left page
me: and then you had decided you were ISTp
YOU should start a whole new thread
James: im so unintersted in typing myself lol
cause really, i cant dude
im fucking nuts
James: i cant type myself, tests dont work, examinatio ndoesnt work
someone else has to type me
12:15 PM James: no xxxx doesnt line up with this. im having to train her to.
what i find interesting is
how confident both me and you come across to OTHERS
cause we both swear we arnt confident people
but with me and you both, people think we are confident, elitist assholes.
me: I just like that he communicates EVERYTHING perfectly, and gets shit done, and does it right, and is carefull, and aware, and doesnt TRIP ON THINGS!
you were really pissed off about the tripping here
12:16 PM James: i really dont like that
me: right on the confidence
James: like shayla, and she isnt the only one, said she wouldnt even dare approach me because i had such a heir of confidence about me
me: like I just never want to show when I'm uncertain or sad or whatever, any negative emotions, I always want this face of happiness
James: like i didnt care what anyone thought
like...if you only knew!!!!
12:17 PM me: yeah, do introverts look unconfident? i guess, even though they're internally confident
James: i dunno
all i know is people always tell me that
and im always confused
me: like I have a good understanding of Ti, Te, Si, Se, Fe and even sort of Fi
12:18 PM but Ni makes little sense and so does Ne
we are one of the other
so that sucks
me: as far as I understand though, it's like this explosion of understanding of the usefulness of things
James: the thing we are you cant understand
me: like you know how I'm always spotting random deals and shit? like that's my Ne as far as I can tell, it's not like gamma Ni+Te of like creating formulas to maximize income
12:19 PM like Ne is just a situational intuition okay, so like how will this isolated situation or action turn out?
Ni is like this wacky long term view of multiple possible outcomes of everything over time
12:20 PM so I don't feel like I'm Ni, and plus I'm 100% Ti, so I'm alpha, there's not really any other option
James: well then im def. not Ni
me: now you, all I really get is that you're NF
James: i relate to what your saying about Ne
i do not relate to what your saying about Ni
me: yeah i don't see you as Ni either, but I do sort of see you as Fe, which has got me confused, but knowing my brother, you sort of act like him and you certainly value Si like I do
12:21 PM BIG HUGE TIME
James: im also realizing this big issue i have with understanding things on this completely like, non concrete manner. like i always understand a concept deep in my brain before i can write it down in "understandable" terms. does that make sense to you?
me: so it's gotta be delta for you
James: like i "see" things. per se.
me: okay so let's talk about understanding things
12:22 PM like i just understaned a process before i can explain it
me: so like Ti and Te
James: like systems and stuff
how stuff works and connects
but i cant like explain it
when people ask
and that makes me feel really dumb
thus the unconfidence
everything "connects" in my head
12:23 PM like (an estj) is alway simpressed when i diagnose stuff
cause all the parts make the connection in my head and i can simply eliminate options
till im left with the only possible problem
but i cant do it with people in the room either
like i literally cannot concentrate if someone is standing near
im always telling (An istp) to go away when im typing
because i literally wont be able to see it from my eyes
if someone is standing there
12:24 PM i switch to their brain
and process whats being types from their perspective
and i lose concentration
on what actually needs to be typed
i cannot concentrate with others present
me: haha wow
James: and it takes me forver to process
what i understand already
like, i can understand something and it will take a year before i can say it
this happens with like "spiritual" things i guess you would call it
12:25 PM "how humanity works"
me: sounding like (an infj) over there
okay can i throw some functions at you now
James: i understand in a moment, and it all makes sense in my head, and then i take FOREVER to finally be able to put it into practical implemetation
me: Ti which alpha/beta values is like an understanding of concepts and ideas and knowledge in an integrated, connected, organized system. Here is a fact, but here is also why that is a fact and the other facts it is related to and backs up and what is a fact based on that fact. ENFp's weak point is Ti. I personally cannot like, understand or do something if I don't understand it fully, like the reasoning and purpose behind it.
12:26 PM "i understand in a moment, and it all makes sense in my head, and then i take FOREVER to finally be able to put it into practical implemetation" that sounds really delta NF Te seeking
12:27 PM James: yeah
me: Te on the other hand is a situational logic. Here's what's happening now, here's the actions that are taking place, here's how to do x. Here's an isolated fact, piece of data, instruction, with no overall plan or reason behind it, just do x. Norm connell telling your mom to just hop the stapler around the chair. What the fuck is this guy saying? says the Ti seeker.
delta/gamma use Te
12:28 PM James: yeah
me: so like which of those would appeal to you
12:29 PM James: uhhh
me: "just hop around, like a bunny rabbit, hop hop hop"
James: i understand what (An estj) is saying usually
12:30 PM he always raves about how i get concepts quickly
and can understand things about cars, people like my brother xxxx, for soem reason just never seem to get no matter how many times you explain
(an istp) isolates data
she just kind of see whats happening NOW
and acts on that item
pretty simple way of living
12:31 PM enviable
me: the seeing what's happening would be Si, and the acting Te
I'm pretty sure (an istp) is istp
James: gotta be
James: not istj at all
way to laid back
me: okay how about Fe vs Fi, i'm not going to be so good at explaining this
James: ive read up finally on all the types
so this is all information ive seen before
me: Fe is alpha/beta, it's an extraverted element, it's focused on the emotional atmopshere, what's ahppening now, what's going on with this person at this moment
12:33 PM Fe...mmmmm
type up Fi
me: Fi is like...i don't get it but it's more internal, it's like Ti but with ethics, so like it's....relationships between people, emotions between them, Fi people seem to have these very personal gut feelings and statements about people
12:34 PM "I don't like john mayer. plus he dated jennifer aniston. I don't like her." - actual Fi statement from an ENFp, very personal, very biased, all about relationships and personal vibes
James: uhhh i dont relate to that statement cause im not a dumbass
12:35 PM but (an istp) is always talking about how its weird how well i understand people without knowing them?
me: Fi is the hardest for me to explain because i just don't get it.
James: she doesnt understand how im able to make moral judgments and know who to avoid and who to be friends with with only one interaction with them
me: yeah you do that A LOT
James: so idk if im actually goood at that though
but i do know how to avoid people
12:36 PM i do constantly make statements about peoples chracter
and how i will avoid them as a result
was doing that just yesterday with her
when she was talking about a new place for use to live in may
i told her "we shouldnt rent from them. i dont trust their motivations as a whole."
me: hahhahahahhaha wtf
12:37 PM James: so, the thing is, I AM very aware of whats going on in the room
me: you're probably enfp, or maybe infj
James: around me
but i dont engage it really
if i do, its very subtle
most of the time, tipping the scales to change the enviroment to one tahts more pleaseing is to overwhelming for me
i however notice every bit of how a enviroment is "off" in some way
me: when you say what's going on, what do you mean? the actions? the behaviors? the emotions? the power? the phyiscal sensations? there's a lot you can notice in a room.
12:38 PM James: how people feel about each other. who doesnt like who. how awkward people feel. etc.
i also notice any abnorality in a room
thus why i dont trip on things!!!
i notice if there is a hose laying across a walk way , etc. its not just emotions i notice. i dont know. i just suck in all the informatio nthe room is presenting
me: ok all that shit is Fi
12:39 PM James: and what it says about the over all atmosphere
me: the first sentence anyway
the noticing things to trip on, dunno what the fuck that is
seems kinda like Si almost
James: being a AWARE person
idk, ive foced myself to do it
and now its habit i guess
like when i used to drive
when i first started i was horrible
me: well now you sound ISFp
James: would get lost all the time
so i just forced myself to pay more attention
and now i dont have any issue
12:40 PM idk, people limit themselves
most stuff is just a decision
me: what if i pasted this whole conversation and let the jackals look at it
i dont know if ive been 100 perecnt honest though
thats my big problem
me: oh god
James: i morph information
me: did you eat all this acid?
James: thats why i cant type myself
12:41 PM seriosuly
i speak according to who i am talking to
so i cant trust what i say all the time
i have to realllyyyyyy concentrate
James: to remain honest
so post that part with it if you do
so they understand all that as well