Let's see if you can VI me

[Shagbag The Wizard]

Hey guys,

New kid on the block here. *hi-5s all round*

(formal intro thread here: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tcheeeees.html )



I've been dying to jump into some of these threads. I'm gonna have the greatest fun tickling your brains and ripping apart some of the annoying socionic stereotypes pervasive on these boards, bwahaha.


So, I guess the first order of business is to see if you guys can VI me from the avatar....

[Trevor]

EXFp ??

[Shagbag The Wizard]

EXFp ??

Nope.

[1981slater]

Only an ILE will have an Street Fighter 2's Ryu quote in his signature.

And only another ILE would spot this.

[Shagbag The Wizard]

Only an ILE will have an Street Fighter 2's Ryu quote in his signature.

And only another ILE would spot this.

Lol, another stereotype bytes the dust.


Definitely not ILE!! (tee hee)

I had a sort-of-friend in high school who I strongly suspect was ILE in retrospect. He always had something to say about EVERYTHING (occasionally profound, usually merely ingenious, but omg did he have ZERO tact or dimplomacy skills, lol). He also had no idea when it was time to shut up.


(Btw, anyone who knows that quote has my instant respect. )

[1981slater]

ESE Si?

[Shagbag The Wizard]

Hmm, so what makes you think I'm ESE??

[1981slater]

My Ne tells me so

"...another ILE....then ESE...Ryu....IEEs choose Ken..."

[Shagbag The Wizard]

Lol, as it turns out, I never choose Ryu or Ken. I've typically shunned shotos from the very beginning due to their extreme over-use. I've always had a compelling, all-consuming need to stand out from the dull crowd, lol. (Something I believe is not typical for my type, I might add.)


Having said that, I have always had an insane, inexplicable crush on Ryu....

[matilda]

first guess, ENFp

wouldn't have guessed INFj

[jessica129]

You're gay?

[Shagbag The Wizard]

Lol, gay as a goose, but I'm one of those sneaky str8-acting ones.

[Shagbag The Wizard]

first guess, ENFp

Hmm, now this is what fascinates me....

I wonder what seems ENFp-ish about me?

[Ritella]

i'm saying IEI

[Lobo]

Let me guess... you're saying you are LSE?

[Creepy-Cyclops]

He looks like someone on these cooking programs I see, so Si obviously

[Errant]

Beta.

[jewels]

ENFj

[Cyrano]

Lol, another stereotype bytes the dust.


Definitely not ILE!! (tee hee)

I had a sort-of-friend in high school who I strongly suspect was ILE in retrospect. He always had something to say about EVERYTHING (occasionally profound, usually merely ingenious, but omg did he have ZERO tact or dimplomacy skills, lol). He also had no idea when it was time to shut up.


(Btw, anyone who knows that quote has my instant respect. )

Balls of Fury.


ENFJ

[Cyrano]

You're gay?

Pretty intuitive for SLI.

[Shagbag The Wizard]

i'm saying IEI

Nice try but nope.

My ex is IEI, and so is his best friend. Omg, talk about ups and downs. Let's just say I have a really intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the IEI (assuming we can even call them "workings").



The two of them were social butterflies, dragging me out to clubs and bars nearly every night for the "fun" of it. I nearly died of boredom. Socialising is something I simply cannot do unless there is some "point" or goal to it.

Other nights the two of them would stay up having LOOOOONG (like 6am long) discussions about totally asinine, useless, self-important pseudo-philosophical crap that bored the living shit out of me.

(Having as my 7th function, I could tolerate their inane abstractions for short periods before needing to claw my brains out.)


Anyway.


Still love them both to bits but am somewhat grateful for the distance.

[Shagbag The Wizard]

@Lobo: nope, not LSE



By process of elimination, I guess it should be fairly obvious by now that I'm EII.

(The fact that this comes as a surprise to most people means we have a lot of great discussion ahead of us, lol.)



@Cyclops: I'm a decent cook although I tend to avoid it wherever possible as it bores the crap out of me. Like most EIIs I'm pretty proficient at anything I set my mind to, in spite of the initial apathy.

[Shagbag The Wizard]

@jewels:

Not EIE!

My general out-goingness is more of an acquired behaviour and requires an expenditure of energy that I can only keep up for short-medium periods.

That's not to say I don't love interacting with people, but I need significant periods of rest inbetween social encounters to "recharge my batteries".




Also, I have no interest in evoking emotional responses from people just for the sake of it, although I CAN do this with some efficiency if needs be (if it serves my agenda of making them feel some kind of empathy or moral imperative).


I'm extremely good at getting people to feel HORRIBLY GUILTY about something, or alternatively I can utterly convince people that something is really, gosh-darn honestly not their fault - even if they're guilty as sin, lol.

People hear what they wanna hear.


[EDIT: this is not to say these are habits, I am merely referring to potential at both extremes]




With regards to the attention-getting username, I do this not for purposes of simply causing a reaction. Instead, it serves my sneaky agenda of challenging peoples' moral/ethical expectations and squelching whatever stereotypes they may have had in mind.



As it turns out, I'm not a slut, if that's what anyone was thinking, lol.

[crazedrat]

maybe estj. otherwise infj. Well, you need to learn the definition of normal. Besides that you're sort of obnoxious.

@jew

I'm extremely good at getting people to feel HORRIBLY GUILTY about something, or alternatively I can utterly convince people that something is really, gosh-darn honestly not their fault - even if they're guilty as sin, lol.

more likely they just want you to be quiet so they pretend to agree with you.

[Satan]

You're gay?

couldn't you tell from his picture?

[Shagbag The Wizard]

@Mimosa: Proof of why I am not Fe:



1. Not IEI because ex was IEI and the difference was stark. I can tolerate emotional people to an extent because it's within my agenda to let people be themselves, but I feel smothered fairly quickly and need a break from them.

Also, I am pretty efficient and know how to get things done (suggestive , fairly developed thanks to semi-dual LIE father), unlike my IEI ex who needed me to do all related stuff (as well as I might add, for which he had no initiative whatsoever).



2. Not EIE because my sister is a confirmed LSI and we are so obviously not duals that this is a no-brainer. Also, I see very little of myself in any of the EIE profiles I've read. (Furthermore, excessive and aggravate me no end).


3. Not ESE because there are several of these in my life already and there is an obvious difference. While I love them to pieces, I can only tolerate their emotional hyperactivity and lack of for short-medium periods. Also, I have a severe lack of interest in socialising and networking apart from what is necessary to achieve some productive purpose. If I have no useful / insightful info to contribute in social situations I shut down completely. I have a tendency to make excuses when invited to social engagements, lol. Is that the behaviour of an ESE?


4. Not SEI because ILEs in my life are so obviously not my duals, in spite of our fascinating discussions. YES - I am health conscious. In fact, I'm a health nut, but once again this can be traced to moral imperatives (God gave us these bodies, we "should" look after them). And isn't "health" a stereotype anyway?

I'm also not as laid-back as SEIs seem to be. In spite of (carefully controlled) calm outward appearances my mind is always racing with thoughts and ideas. I especially have a tendency to replay events in my mind, considering alternative things I "should have" said or done (if that's not an compulsion I don't know what is).

[Shagbag The Wizard]

couldn't you tell from his picture?

Ouch.

[crazedrat]

watch it, he's using his heralded guilt trip tactics on you.

[1981slater]

AAAAArgh

[Shagbag The Wizard]

maybe estj. otherwise infj.

INFj.

Well, you need to learn the definition of normal.

Lol, normal is not generally something I aspire to.

Besides that you're sort of obnoxious.

Eek, I didn't realise I was in a pirhana tank, lol.

more likely they just want you to be quiet so they pretend to agree with you.

*sigh*


I don't typically talk that much unless I'm in "info-dispensing" mode. I'm a teacher / lecturer after all, so it kinda goes with the job. Listening is more of a natural state for me. If I don't feel I have anything useful to say, I will definitely shut up.

Guess I just assumed people here would be interested in my socionic-related commentary.



(Just to clarify my earlier comment: I'm not manipulative in any malicious sense of the word. Knowing our potential for evil and acting on that potential are two different things, obviously.)

[Wrong Way Ticket]

Pretty intuitive for SLI.

I don't know, he seems pretty flamin'.

[Suz]

@jewels:

Not EIE!

My general out-goingness is more of an acquired behaviour and requires an expenditure of energy that I can only keep up for short-medium periods.

That's not to say I don't love interacting with people, but I need significant periods of rest inbetween social encounters to "recharge my batteries".

That is the MBTI definition of extrovert/introvert. (which also had me confused for a while in socionics).

Apparently in socionics you have to see which function you use the most. If it's Fe, Ne, Te, or Se, then you're an extrovert. You can be an introverted extrovert (like me), or an extroverted introvert. Some socionics introverts are much more outgoing than some socionics extroverts.

In the IEE's case--the extraverted primary function is an intuitive one so it's not totally necessary that you may see me as sociably outgoing. In fact, i like to observe a lot when i'm in a group, especially a loud, rowdy one. I also feel a a bit self-consious and not always very confident about saying things, unless i know i'm among friends.

I also need time on my own to recharge--i now realize this may be because of my Si-dual seeking. I am not always aware of my own physical/stress limits, and OFTEN stretch myself very thin. And then i'm like wow i am WORN OUT. But when i am on my own, just chilling, i still need some interaction--need the TV on, be online, whatever. Otherwise I go crazy. Apparently introverts can just do. . .nothing, sleep, just sit there.

The extraverted quality is that you need to be interacting somehow with your environment. The diagram posted in the gamma section illustrated it well. You perceive an object with whatever primary function you use, and you react in some way back to the object. Introverts perceive the object and react back to themselves.

[Galen]

Most of what Workaholics said is right on the money. The nature of Ep temperament requires some level of energy recharge, as irrationals energy levels tend to vary erratically throughout the course of a day. Ij temperaments are much more staunch in that their energy levels are maintained at roughly the same low amount throughout an extended period of time. Plus ENFps are generally regarded as the "shy extroverts," which I suppose is the nature of Ne leading.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Wants to say something useful but doesn't...nothing new there.

[stanprollyright]

Definitely not Delta. And your typings of your friends, sister, and ex are probably crap too. You've got some unlearning to do.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Definitely not Delta. And your typings of your friends, sister, and ex are probably crap too. You've got some unlearning to do.

lol at the voice of reason.

[JWC3]

lol at the voice of reason.

+2, srsly.

EDIT: As for the topic at hand, I'm always a little skeptical of any one who both claims to be delta and also mentions their ability to manipulate or control others to the other's detriment. I mean unless you can explain to me a situation where guilt tripping the sin out of some one or deflating their ego is good for them *shrugs*

[Brilliand]

Lol, as it turns out, I never choose Ryu or Ken. I've typically shunned shotos from the very beginning due to their extreme over-use.

I tend to go for Dhalsim for the long-range sniping abilities.

Though I've never figured out how to beat E.Honda...

[Suz]

Definitely not Delta. And your typings of your friends, sister, and ex are probably crap too. You've got some unlearning to do.

Yeah dont worry Shagbob, I had to do some unlearning myself recently. I think i'm on the right track now but it took some brainpower to disregard every association and mental image i'd made of each type so far. However, now that i have gotten a couple of notable typings right (including my own) things make a LOT more sense. my learning is going much faster just because I dont need to spend as much time trying to understand since it just works, and the pieces are falling into place.

It was an interesting experience though trying to be beta and feeling how not fitting in felt--really eye opening about beta vs delta!! I guess i learn best by direct experience.

[jewels]

+2, srsly.

EDIT: As for the topic at hand, I'm always a little skeptical of any one who both claims to be delta and also mentions their ability to manipulate or control others to the other's detriment. I mean unless you can explain to me a situation where guilt tripping the sin out of some one or deflating their ego is good for them *shrugs*

I agree. The vibe I'm getting is not delta at all. I'm still going with ENFj and possibly INFp.

ENFjs of course need time to recharge and maybe half of the ones I know thought they were introverted because of that (even though to an anyone else they are clearly an extrovert!)

Deltas can be manipulative in our own ways, but we strive to not be and feel really bad about it (it's one of the worst insults you can say to me anyway). I've never known an INFj to describe it that way. I don't see INFjs trying to manipulate. It's more just stating how they feel about something, and you can react however you want to what they're doing. Where as with Beta, there is an attempt to control the reaction the other person is having (which can be bad or good of course, just like anything).