View Poll Results: How does V.I. work?

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  • V.I. is not possible without other methods.

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  • V.I. is only possible by analyzing facial expressions and body language.

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    It doesn't, really.

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    Unless you're some kind of voodoo shaman priest, like everyone on the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergei Ganin
    "...V.I. (Visual Identification) is the fastest and most reliable method of Type identification of today...". Apparently this particular statement appears to be largely misunderstood by sceptics. What this means is that in comparison with all other existing methods of Type identification, V.I. is the fastest and most reliable (in comparison!). And of course it is not 100% bullet proof. Even the experts can make mistakes using V.I. So imagine what the other methods are like in comparison - the Stone Age! But having said that, there is no way one can master V.I. on their own without mastering the Stone Age basics first.

    Some narrow-minded people say that V.I. cannot be possible because looks are genetic. It is partially true (not that V.I. is impossible but that looks are genetic). However, ask two artists to paint the same portrait with the same palette. Even if the portraits end up looking identical, upon closer examination you should be able to notice different brush strokes, different techniques or different style. In V.I. one does not look at what is obvious: "Oh look, he has got no chin and she has got an upturned nose!" In V.I. one looks past the obvious. Once you are able to recognise what to look for then the rest becomes rather rudimentary. Some people are naturally observant and can grasp the essence of V.I. fairly quickly, some need more time and some are pretty useless.

    Some people claim they can V.I. by a single photograph, which undoubtedly involves lots of guessing. A single photograph could be useful as it can give many clues as to which Type a person on the photo is, but it can not be definitive. Only in very rare cases might a single photograph be enough. Also, it is essential to know the handedness of a person. Without it the photo could be pretty useless. But because majority of people are genuinely right-handed, it almost works in majority of cases. Glasses, hats, makeup, plastic surgeries, photo manipulations can throw even the expert off course. This is why it is necessary to have more information about a person than a single photo. A video, for example, already contains tons and tons of useful information. Meeting someone in person is highly recommended.

    V.I. is very intuitive method of Type identification. Imagine the equation with hundreds of variables. When everything falls into place - you just know. When something is not quite right - you just know. There is no way to explain this feeling, you have to experience it to understand. There is also no mystery in how intuition works. It relies on your memory and experience. Each variable in the equation is what you know about Type. The more you know the more accurate the prognosis will be. Intuition takes all the variables and processes them all at once. Bang!, and you get the answer in a form of gut-feeling. It is up to you then to verify the answer. This is why it is important that what you know about Type is quality data.

    In conclusion, V.I. takes time to master. If you want to learn V.I. be prepared to admit you might be wrong. Only this way you can keep an open mind and maintain the right attitude towards this method.
    More or less, this.

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    It sort of works with facial expressions and certain facial schemes, but people are way too overconfident in typing people with VI, and need to learn how to analyze and use their brain.

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    I think it's a bunch of vague , really. You meet people, you get a sense of their personality, you form a generalised template of how a type looks, how they move, how they talk. When you meet someone new you compare their appearance to the templates and pick which one fits the best.
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    nah...It DOES WORK...if you're good at sensing. especially extroverted sensing.

    well...I'm sorry I guess it works only for certain types..hehehe (<douchey comment)


    lemme make my point:

    last 3 girls I've been with, I've visually typed from a distance...and been completely accurate.


    now everywhere I go, everyone I meet, I visually type.

    and then I find out, by getting to know them..if I'm right.

    and 90% of the time, I am.


    it works...just work on your Se, I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd View Post
    Weird because you actually popped into my mind yesterday (thinking where the forum SEEs went).

    For some people, I can look at their faces and somehow I can just see who they remind me of and what type they are and it often works. It's not always face, though. For my psych professor (who looked a lot like a sax player and jazz director I know who is SEE), I could tell he was ILI right away just by his disheveled appearance (though the SEE is also disheveled) and by his hunched over posture and by his severe facial expression he had until he started talking and then started smiling and such, but I was like, 'yup, ILI.'

    I don't use this a lot, but I do notice trends that usually I notice after typing them. A few times I have seen similarities with duals but I think that was a fluke or a factor not pertaining to socionics (though I cannot be sure).
    hahahaha, yeah we are totally disheveled (at the core) but some of us put on an act, and try to look less disheveled. (but we really don't care that much)


    now, the method you described of Visual Typing, is precisely what I use.

    and since I've been so fucking social (<<douchey comment)
    I've met RIDICULOUS AMOUNTS of people...
    and I've TYPED ridiculous amounts of people...
    and I've logged each of their faces into my memory banks...

    and through that, I have developed a very clear pattern recognition in my head...

    it's mostly in the mannerisms...the eye movements...the posture...the...general energy level (E/I)...how much they generally smile (positivist/negativist)...and everything tied all together that allows me to make a well educated guess.

    when they open their mouth...the puzzle pieces fit together.

    HOWEVER: I've noticed that there's different...facial qualities that DIFFER with different RACES/ethnicity.
    and so I've had to "learn" the "faces" of different "types" in different "races".

    within a race, though, it's easy. it's all similar.

    alright...well there ya go.

    btw, nice to know you were thinking about me.

    but I'm really not gay.

    unless you're a chick.


    but we can still be online friends

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    oh and btw, I totally got banned from the INTPcentral.com forums for being a douche

    hahaha...

    but I'm pissed about that too.

    cuz you guys banned me...

    like..wtf....who does that


    hell yea I feel a sense of entitlement, being the dual...
    even if it's disillusioned.

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    Analyzing (marytsa style) is not that reliable. Though eye movement etc can be seen.
    Comparing face with people you know is more reliable. Same types have similar faces and movements etc.

    But in the end you always need to check, and relationships or other vybes that you pick up are often even more clear then VI.

    VI works, but it's one of the lesser methods, though because of it's possible 'instant hit' quality, it's nice to use it in your arsenal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by octopuslove View Post
    I think it's a bunch of vague , really. You meet people, you get a sense of their personality, you form a generalised template of how a type looks, how they move, how they talk. When you meet someone new you compare their appearance to the templates and pick which one fits the best.
    I agree - I share a simmilar approach which is, as I believe a NF way of typing . Sort of bulding a database of archetypes of socionics and matching people to these standards.

    Quote Originally Posted by bluehenrybob View Post
    nah...It DOES WORK...if you're good at sensing. especially extroverted sensing.

    well...I'm sorry I guess it works only for certain types..hehehe (<douchey comment)
    According to socionics everyone has his own way of perceiving the reality. The reality includes all kind of information which can possibly tell us about some aspect of it. A person to be typed sends us all possible kinds of information (all 8 socionical aspects). And as we all operate on different mechanisms (functions), we all use different approaches - none of them are better or worse by themselves. Only the way we use them can give them quality.

    I've heard different kind of things about socionics and typing people and many statements were exaggerated - like if you have in your ego block then you should be good at 'reading' people. Whereas my /// have proved themselves right many, many times.


    But then - the biggest bias, and black hole in the whole socionics is that there is NO objective way of telling someone's type and so there will always be those who "know better" even if they're wrong.
    Until we find a way to make socionics a real thing we can argue about it to the day we die .

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