because these organized/unorganized descriptions just arent cutting it and as I see it are leading to alot of confusion. unfortunately, I dont know how much I can help as I still have trouble figuring this out. my current understanding has led me to the conclusions that its a state of mind, one being more presumptions and quicker to jump to conclusions, more rigid, the other being more open(among other things). inadequate but a starting point. real life examples of ways to discern the difference would be helpful too.