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    Default Hobbies and interests of INTjs

    I have all these hobbies that I get really interested in, at least for a time. I'll usually take a break every so often (for months on end, years sometimes) then come back to them with full force. It's like they provide me with points of stability that I can come back to, but are also sources of near-constant cerebral stimulation.

    * Forth (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    * Cryonics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    * Vermicompost - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    * Socionics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    * Personal development - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Is this true of everyone? Or every LII? What kinds of hobbies and interests do you have? (Wikipedia links if possible )
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    Forth looks like it sucks to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamajama View Post
    Forth looks like it sucks to use.
    Which aspect are you referring to? Passing things on the stack?

    I like the low-level interactive feel it gives.

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    That may be why i don't like it. I like the idea of reverse polish notation,but the huge capitals remind me of FORTAN and COBOL and older languages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamajama View Post
    That may be why i don't like it. I like the idea of reverse polish notation,but the huge capitals remind me of FORTAN and COBOL and older languages.
    The version of forth I use is Retroforth, which uses lowercase.

    Retro, A Minimalistic Forth

    I agree that being stuck with all caps would suck big time. Forth is as old as Fortran and Cobol, but more elegant in my opinion. Lisp is also pretty elegant, although I have less experience with it. I guess what I like is the way Forth lets me start with simple primitives that are barely more than assembly codes and build my way up to stuff like arrays, strings, objects, parsers, etc. There's a certain draw to having the lowest-possible-level aspects of programming in your peripheral vision while working your way to the higher level stuff. I guess that is a thing..?

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    You, sir, have an odd set of interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewZ View Post
    You, sir, have an odd set of interests.
    The red wrigglers are in a garbage bag in the garage. I keep meaning to build a nice large bin for them, but when it comes to actually doing things physically I tend to be a bit of a procrastinator. Perhaps this summer I'll get enthusiastic about the idea again. There's a good business opportunity there... Potentially.

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    I personally like the idea of Python and Ruby. C/C++ is fun too, it gives you the feel you can screw anything up at any time but you still have enough stuff at your disposal to do something. Although I hated the idea of array of char for strings. Forget about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamajama View Post
    I personally like the idea of Python and Ruby. C/C++ is fun too, it gives you the feel you can screw anything up at any time but you still have enough stuff at your disposal to do something. Although I hated the idea of array of char for strings. Forget about it.
    C/C++ were confusing to me, although I've got pretty good at reading the code. It just doesn't seem like a natural way to write. Python seemed like a good idea but I never really intuitively picked up on how to use it. I keep meaning to try Ruby but when I downloaded it there was some long compilation process involved and I got distracted. Perl is the one I am probably strongest with for useful purposes. I have also used TCL/TK and Bash successfully.

    An array of chars is basically what a string is... but when writing applications you don't really want to be reminded of that at every turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke View Post
    C/C++ were confusing to me, although I've got pretty good at reading the code. It just doesn't seem like a natural way to write. Python seemed like a good idea but I never really intuitively picked up on how to use it. I keep meaning to try Ruby but when I downloaded it there was some long compilation process involved and I got distracted. Perl is the one I am probably strongest with for useful purposes. I have also used TCL/TK and Bash successfully.

    An array of chars is basically what a string is... but when writing applications you don't really want to be reminded of that at every turn.
    haha, i feel like telling my code story. I first did Pascal in freshman year of high school. I really liked it, but I didn't like it so much that I was going to do more. Then I found a C book for 50 cents. Pascal had strings built in, but C did not. That was why I have a bias against C. I read the whole book, and yes, strings are arrays of char, but too much work you know, plus printf/scanf is garbage, C++ is superior to C.

    So yes, I am very used to reading C++ family of languages. I tried Scheme(derived from Lisp) for about a month, but I got nothing going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamajama View Post
    haha, i feel like telling my code story. I first did Pascal in freshman year of high school. I really liked it, but I didn't like it so much that I was going to do more. Then I found a C book for 50 cents. Pascal had strings built in, but C did not. That was why I have a bias against C. I read the whole book, and yes, strings are arrays of char, but too much work you know, plus printf/scanf is garbage, C++ is superior to C.

    So yes, I am very used to reading C++ family of languages. I tried Scheme(derived from Lisp) for about a month, but I got nothing going.
    Yeah, I like the idea behind scheme but never got to where I was writing anything in it. Maybe I'll implement a scheme in forth someday. Kind of similar philosophies of minimalism and roll-your-own going on there.

    Seems like there's a groove of writing in a language that can take some focus to get into, even if you can read it passably. Different languages reflect different mindsets, philosophies, perhaps even quadra values...

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    I like cute languages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamajama View Post
    I like cute languages.
    Yeah, cuteness is important in a language.

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    programming is boring. Sad thing is that computer science is the only thing I'm remotely interested in that could make me any kind of money.
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    Besides Socionics and self pity those are the topics most prevalent in my thoughts.
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    Are you even LII, Archon?!

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    Worldbuilding is easy to lose a lot of time in. Orion's Arm is a good one I've dumped lots of hours into reading. I like hard sci-fi because it makes me think they are on track for the real future. Megascale space habitats are a fascination of mine, have been since I read ringworld. Regular space colonies are also fascinating -- planets are such a waste of material when you think about it.

    Utility Fog is another one of the really interesting ideas that I've spent a lot of time thinking about. Essentially it is a set of nanobots which lock arms, but can let go at intervals and thus be programmed to act as any substance -- breathable air, concrete, water, etc. It could be used to simulate gravity convincingly, or give you flight in a gravitational environment. The tiny arms would let them act as generators, capable of gathering energy from the tiniest currents of air.

    I guess I am fascinated by potential practical applications. The fact that esperanto is easier to learn yet arguably just as beautiful and useful as natural languages makes me consider it an incredibly good idea. While I get the idea of lojban as a way to explore the saphir-worf hypothesis, that doesn't really do much for me. And I don't really feel learning klingon or elvish is going to do me any good in life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDo View Post
    Are you even LII, Archon?!
    Nope, N ILE. Pretty close though












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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke View Post
    Utility Fog is another one of the really interesting ideas that I've spent a lot of time thinking about. Essentially it is a set of nanobots which lock arms, but can let go at intervals and thus be programmed to act as any substance -- breathable air, concrete, water, etc. It could be used to simulate gravity convincingly, or give you flight in a gravitational environment. The tiny arms would let them act as generators, capable of gathering energy from the tiniest currents of air.
    For Basilicus, I'm considering making a civ around this sort of technology. I'm going to weave socionics material (not by name, that would be corny) into it, so that the elements represent root processes in shaping the utility matter. There will be a philosophy/spirituality based around the use of the elements, so that the feel of the race is sort of elfish/eldarish (not sure what the species will specifically be evolved from, but their contemporary state will be formless and arcane).

    So, the use of "external field statics" for example would be for reformatting multiple systems (ships, architecture, minds, etc) to operate on the same root mechanisms, thus making communication and adjustment easier between them.

    Maybe I'll have the civ separated into 4 nations as well for the quadras, with a 5th administrative caste.

    Not totally realistic, but w/e
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Besides Socionics and self pity those are the topics most prevalent in my thoughts.
    No one can be that celibate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewZ View Post
    No one can be that celibate.
    I think that's filed under "self pity."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    I think that's filed under "self pity."
    It would explain the socionics interest.

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    I'm a D-LII

    D, for dominant

    None of these things interest me because I'm so busy dominating everyone and everything

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    Another LII interest I've found:

    http://www.wikipedia.org/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Another LII interest I've found:

    Wikipedia
    Ah yes... I've seen that listed under , but it applies to us too.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Another LII interest I've found:

    Wikipedia
    My mind can't be that easy to read...

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    external links of citation.
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    Actually I just got this internship doing some really cool stuff, so I'm going to see how that pans out. It's related to programming, but it's cooler than that. I'm also having a blast learning Ruby on my own. It's so much more fun than C++.
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    I like java more than C++ and ruby more than java. Having a lot of things predefined takes out some of the more laborious aspects of programming, and it makes the code easier to read in general. It's less like reading code and more like reading english. I took an assembly class (using the LC-3 simulator) and that was ridiculously easy because of how simple the instructions were. I always try to write code so it's easy to understand and I create lots of functions because I get overwhelmed easily. Ruby seems to match my way of thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    I've been doing this since age 10, and was not aware of it's existence as an interest for others outside of use in terms of Dungeons & Dragons campaigns.

    Also, my main interest at the moment outside of socionics is Dungeons & Dragons

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1121 View Post
    I've been doing this since age 10, and was not aware of it's existence as an interest for others outside of use in terms of Dungeons & Dragons campaigns.

    Also, my main interest at the moment outside of socionics is Dungeons & Dragons
    Likewise, I started in Grade 7 or 8, before my family had the Internet and well before I'd ever heard of the term "worldbuilding". I didn't care much for the DnD system, though -- my friends and I tried a number of different ones, but mostly I created my own rules systems. Nowadays all my geek friends have moved away, so I don't get to actually play RPGs anymore, but I still love worldbuilding.
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