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    I'm not sure what this has to do with, but it seems accurate nonetheless.

    Delta = Mother Country
    Alpha = Explorers
    Beta = Conquerors
    Gamma = Settlers
    Delta = Mother Country
    ect.


    How the different supervision rings would go about a siege, with positivists as attackers and negativists as defenders:

    Holographic: Puts soldiers at every door.
    Cause-Effect: Finds a hidden passage.
    Vortex: Charges a door.
    Algorithmic: Defends doors as they're breached.

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    haahhh, ok from the defenders side on that whole thing...

    well, yea, that does go into lines...


    ummm, yep, delta is all about... let's go... get some stupid, shitty unstabble land, and sorta, well, if we have some betas, i we hope alfas too, we gon to live, love, and cherish our lands...

    well probably not really that, but it go well into the words, of what betas might of course love about the whole delta philosophy... and probably delta dont really know whats the heck philosophy is, since.... they aren't really into feelings... right?

    ummm, soorry bout saying, that... but you know, half of quadra cannot feel anything at all... and then the rest of the guys,,, are just slow... and introverted...

    and is it true that deltas do really enjoy pancakes?? like 10 times a week? :/


    this goes into discusionn,, so you may answer, if you feel like it, i would be honored by such you feelings...

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    I'm having a lot of trouble following you...are you from a different country? Deltas often like pancakes. I don't think that's type-related...I personally don't care for them.

    Some Deltas are into feelings. The IEE has actually been called "The phychologist." They like philosophy, and I believe EIIs do too.

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ollobollo View Post
    You spelled "etc." wrong again.
    No, "ect." is actually the abbreviation for "ectoplasm".

    Also, I think those are excellent analogies, Abbie. The Quadra progression one especially is very neat and tidy and, upon a moment's reflection, self-evidently true.

    The only one I'm not entirely sure of is "Finds a hidden passage" for Cause-Effect. I feel like there should be a more obvious/natural analogy than that, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Hmm.
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    I'm not a super genius or anything, but I really don't understand this thread at all.
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    DnD alignments (mostly focussed on their portrayals):

    Lawful: Rational
    Chaotic: Irrational

    Good: Serious
    Evil: Merry

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    You forgot Logos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    DnD alignments (mostly focussed on their portrayals):

    Lawful: Rational
    Chaotic: Irrational

    Good: Serious
    Evil: Merry
    Lol, I thought it was:

    Lawful = Serious
    Chaotic = Merry
    Good = Judicious
    Evil = Decisive

    Alpha Chaotic Good
    Beta Chaotic Evil
    Gamma Lawful Evil
    Delta Lawful Good
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Alpha Chaotic Good
    LIIs - Lawful Neutral
    SEIs - Neutral Good
    ILEs - Chaotic Neutral
    ESEs - ? (Actually, by the pattern above they'd be Neutral Evil... lol)

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    Lol, I thought it was:

    Lawful = Serious
    Chaotic = Merry
    Good = Judicious
    Evil = Decisive

    Alpha Chaotic Good
    Beta Chaotic Evil
    Gamma Lawful Evil
    Delta Lawful Good
    BUT I WANT TO BE LAWFUL EVIL!!

    *stomps archon's sandcastle*

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    lol me too kinda (Because chaotic evil people are crazy and I enjoy black spikey armor and fortresses moreso)

    In practice though, I feel more Chaotic Neutral (and even neutral is pushing it and it's mostly because everyone knows good is for chumps).
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    In reality evil = psychosis, so that's hardly surprising.

    On a serious note, I think elves, hobbits, dwarves and the like are typically portrayed as Te/Fi quadra types. That's the main basis for the "Serious = good" idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    In reality evil = psychosis, so that's hardly surprising.

    On a serious note, I think elves, hobbits, dwarves and the like are typically portrayed as Te/Fi quadra types. That's the main basis for the "Serious = good" idea.
    yeah lots of damn fanfics are written by ILIs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Lol, I thought it was:

    Lawful = Serious
    Chaotic = Merry
    Good = Judicious
    Evil = Decisive

    Alpha Chaotic Good
    Beta Chaotic Evil
    Gamma Lawful Evil
    Delta Lawful Good
    I like this chart
    "And above all, watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely places. Those who don't believe in magic will never find it." -Roald Dahl

    http://forum.socionix.com/
    It's pretty cool

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    (For 2, think GLADOS from Portal)
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    Hm. I scored Good Neutral on the alignment test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    BUT I WANT TO BE LAWFUL EVIL!!

    *stomps archon's sandcastle*
    Then go be a Gamma.

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    Lawful means rules, which means LSI.

    Lawful = aristocratic
    Chaotic = democratic

    Gamma Chaotic Evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    Lawful means rules, which means LSI.

    Lawful = aristocratic
    Chaotic = democratic

    Gamma Chaotic Evil.
    So serious is evil and merry is good?

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Lol, I thought it was:

    Lawful = Serious
    Chaotic = Merry
    Good = Judicious
    Evil = Decisive

    Alpha Chaotic Good
    Beta Chaotic Evil
    Gamma Lawful Evil
    Delta Lawful Good
    Agreed. As was mentioned in another thread, Merry types tend to provoke societal upheaval, and therefore can be most closely correlated with Chaotic. Furthermore, Se-valuing types are perceived as more aggressive than Si-valuing types, and therefore can be most closely correlated with Evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    So serious is evil and merry is good?
    I never said it, just switched lawful/chaotic for Beta and Gamma...

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    Lawful = Serious
    Chaotic = Merry
    Good = Judicious
    Evil = Decisive

    Alpha Chaotic Good
    Beta Chaotic Evil
    Gamma Lawful Evil
    Delta Lawful Good
    The problem that I have with your classifications is that it precludes the possibility of Ne being used for evil ends, when ENTps actually make up the majority of chaotically evil characters in pop culture. Look at people like Batman's Joker. They're in their element when they stir up the world.

    Satan himself could very well be an ENTp. He is typically a deceiver, not primarily someone who uses violence. Intuitive all the way.

    edit:

    Also, perceiving functions aren't associated nearly as much with motivation of decisions and morality than judgment functions are. Perceiving functions are just the tool, not the motivation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    DnD alignments (mostly focussed on their portrayals):

    Lawful: Rational
    Chaotic: Irrational

    Good: Good people
    Evil: Evil people
    Fixed.

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    The evil/good thing is kinda tricky because most people in today's society are "good". We lock up the psychopaths these days and it's questionable whether they roamed the world in large numbers to begin with.

    Ti/Fe values vs. Te/Fi values is really mostly a matter of social power (authority, popularity) vs. monetary power (material wealth).

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    One might say that Satan was/is rather a Fe (and I'd say Te PoLR) type in a Te dominated world. It seem to me that he was not deceiving people by smartness but temptation.
    I'm having a hard time seeing where the "Te PoLR" association comes from, can you elaborate on it?

    The Joker seem rather an Ethical type, his main concern is people which is unlikely to be ILE, who has a focus towards abstract things. It's not an ILE default trait to "stir up the world", when it happens it usually comes as their warning into people's help - fight with the giants, you know - not against humanity.
    Could be. Last I check people were divided between ENTp and ENFj (the two types I think most plausible for Satan aswell). My view of Joker is that he is exceedingly extroverted, intuitive and at the same time very much in control of things. The former mixes decently with ENFj, but the latter doesn't really. ENFjs are mostly about communicating their victimhood and making other people deal with their problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinocchio View Post
    It's basically the distraction force which makes one not fulfill the divine duties (to go to heaven) but getting "lost" into pleasure and sin. Most of the deadly Christianity sins are associated with Fe (extravagance, despair, envy) or Te PoLR (acedia, sloth).
    On the other hand chastity, charity, diligence, kindness relate to Fi and they are considered virtues (by the Te father).
    Imo I would say...

    Extravagance = Se
    Greed = Te
    Despair & Acedia = Ni
    Envy = Fe or Fi I guess
    Sloth = IP...
    Wrath = Fe or Se or EJ
    Pride = Ne/Si

    Christianity is a pretty Fe/Beta religion, anyway. Also, kindness and charity and crap are not necessarily only Fi. It can also be Fe, or just about anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Christianity is a pretty Fe/Beta religion, anyway. Also, kindness and charity and crap are not necessarily only Fi. It can also be Fe, or just about anything.
    Funny, I always thought it was more Delta.

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I'm having a lot of trouble following you...are you from a different country? Deltas often like pancakes.
    I don't know why this made me lol so much, but it did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    ENFjs are mostly about communicating their victimhood and making other people deal with their problems.
    Ha! Awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn View Post
    It's also not very productive to type "Christianity", as the flavour of Christianity can vary wildly between denominations or even parishes.
    I agree. And that's one of my favorite verses.

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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