I think these two actors are the same type. Any ideas?
Dalton (skip to last 60 seconds in first one):
Stewart:
Patrick Stewart and Timothy Dalton
I think these two actors are the same type. Any ideas?
Dalton (skip to last 60 seconds in first one):
Stewart:
Anyone have any opinions between LSI or ESI?
Patrick Stewart always struck me as an LSI.
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Another Stewart one:
WATCH IT TRUST ME
Here's a serious Stewart one. Watch it Logos, I think it's good for typing.
Patrick Stewart is awesome, awesome subtype. Too lazy for serious analysis, but I hope he's LSI because you know, always want to amass those cool points for beta.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
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I'm definitely decided on ISFj. He is too mature to be a beta ST and lacks the ideosyncracy of a Ti/Fe valuing "Merry" type. I'd urge people to type him on the basis of videos from actual real life instead of his roles in films.
Contrast Steward's views on domestic violence to this:
LSI. And he's INTJ in MBTI, a lot of INTJs espec. of this certain INTJ caliber seem to be LSIs. But that's just an observation, not a reason. He's definitely Ti dominant, and I think that's the important part, or something.
Not that anyone cares, but I made this topic because I'm pretty certain that I share the type of both actors and I wanted to see what people thought.
I think a video of you would be smashing.
I didn't have much of a view on Timothy Dalton before but I think EIE right at this moment.
Maturity is not type related, it's an individual aspect like depression or sense of humor.Originally Posted by labcoat
Maybe what you mean is a natural "serious demeanor"? In which case I've seen that to be very common in LSI's, as well as ESI's and a few other types
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Sean keeps his women in line
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Don't you know about those theories that link quadras to life stages as in:Maturity is not type related, it's an individual aspect like depression or sense of humor.
Maybe what you mean is a natural "serious demeanor"? In which case I've seen that to be very common in LSI's, as well as ESI's and a few other types
Alpha: childhood
Beta: teenage
Gamma: adulthood
Delta: seniority
Those are quire unequivocal about the fact that Gamma and Delta are the more tradionally "mature" quadras.
Under Reinin, Gamma and Delta are considered "Serious" and "Objective" and Alpha and Beta are considered "Merry" and "Subjective".
The seriousness of ISTjs is only relative to their own ideosyncracies and ideologies. They pursue their own, personal view of what is right with consistency. Steward's maturity manifests on a far less personal level.
The quadra stages are not about maturity, it's about the IE values.
Alpha, for example, is a representation of childhood since they seek novelty and the freedom of creativity within a non-competitive atmosphere. They do what they do because it brings them joy to their lives, much like children see life as a playground not as a battlefield.
This doesn't mean that Alpha's lack maturity
This is why I think Reinin should be used as a separate theory in Socionics as it often doesn't match-up with Model AUnder Reinin, Gamma and Delta are considered "Serious" and "Objective" and Alpha and Beta are considered "Merry" and "Subjective".
I mean, it labels Gamma as a merry, cheerful, quadra and IEE's as "serious", come on....
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I agree with you that real maturity is something that trancends the model entirely. What the stages reveal, however, is that the most common depictions (stereotypes) of maturity tend to match the behavioral characteristics of Gamma and Delta.The quadra stages are not about maturity, it's about the IE values.
Alpha, for example, is a representation of childhood since they seek novelty and the freedom of creativity within a non-competitive atmosphere. They do what they do because it brings them joy to their lives, much like children see life as a playground not as a battlefield.
This doesn't mean that Alpha's lack maturity
It doesn't list Gamma as Merry/Cheerful. ENFps being "serious" is not something I find problematic when applied to people like Rick. Keep in mind there are still many aspects of the ENFp type that suggest cheerful behavior. It's just one minor aspect of them that is "serious".This is why I think Reinin should be used as a separate theory in Socionics as it often doesn't match-up with Model A
I mean, it labels Gamma as a merry, cheerful, quadra and IEE's as "serious", come on....
Considering these dichotomies, I've come to think that Tom Hanks could actually be a Delta NF, and I used to think he's a clear-cut INFp.
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From watching this video, it's obvious what type Stewart is, especially the part around 6:00 where he talks about being able to sense the atmosphere in his house when he was little.
I thought he was a bit emotional because he's a thespian (right brain etc). I wonder if an Fe ego type like IEI could work too. It's easy sometimes to be confused for an activator or benefactor.
The problem is that I have a good LSI friend who has an incredibly similar demeanor as Patrick Stewart. He would also be more than capable of doing a similar speech about one of his past personal issues and things that he holds as important.
Discojoe, if you want to just come out and say that you think that Patrick Stewart is an ESI, that's fine. I would just prefer forthright honesty of your opinion over being led around in circles.
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Nope. Circles for you.
hmmm....
ah sorry, I meant Beta, not Gamma, my bad. My point is that I generally don't see all four types in a quadra matching-up with Reinin's typings, nor do I find a lot of the individual typing's to be consistent.It doesn't list Gamma as Merry/Cheerful. ENFps being "serious" is not something I find problematic when applied to people like Rick. Keep in mind there are still many aspects of the ENFp type that suggest cheerful behavior. It's just one minor aspect of them that is "serious".
I do agree that IEE's can be serious, though from a rationals point of view they seem to have a natural tendency to break-away from (what they perceive as) stagnation. They generally get moody if they're forced to stifle their need for spontaneity/novelty. I've seen them become quite nasty (mean, grumpy) if this persists
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"Capt. Picard" seems of a different quadra than Patrick Stewart. I would say that Capt. Picard displays a more stereotypical ESI attitude and I wouldn't mind to say the character is an ESI. I don't really see any other possibility. I really liked him on that show too; Picard a lot warmer and ethically lucid than Stewart comes off in some other movies and real life.
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