Certainly a 3. Probably Beta extrovert; I'd take EIE of the two. SEE is a possibility.
Certainly a 3. Probably Beta extrovert; I'd take EIE of the two. SEE is a possibility.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
From what I've seen in interviews, I'd say SEE... I'll check out a few more though.
Edit: Yep, SEE... COmpare with Cher and J. Lo... A flamboyant entertainer in the mold of David Lee Roth, (another ESFp.)
"I'm also a nice person... When someone asks for an autograph, I never think I'm too good..."
I thought at first definite Ti PoLR (and I don't normally type by PoLR), I could see IEE but she's incredibly driven which made me think maybe SEE.
But yeah she seems to be many things to many people and I thought ENFp/ENFj at one point too.
But I go for SEE for now.
Is she related to Gollum?
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
what the hell is on her face!
6w5 sx
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sloan - rcuei
That IS her face!
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
Originally Posted by munenori2
That IS her face!
the make-up! i'm trying to figure if she is doing ganguro or guido.
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sloan - rcuei
she seems to value Se from her videos. I guess I could see SEE, but EIE might make more sense. She takes herself very seriously, saying something about not doing avante garde to be "cooky" (as is the misconception), but because it's "beautiful." Which sounds more beta to me. There is also a big focus on status and image in her songs, so prob more beta.
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I was leading more towards yamamba, but that's basically the same thing as ganguro.
No opinion on type though
or donatella.
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sloan - rcuei
SLE???
ENFj Ni subtype 3w4
"And once you lose your way you have two choices. Find the person you used to be or lose that person completely"
formerly onetreehilluver
I think that's very likely. That was my initial feeling about her. She is over the top like Madonna.
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One of the cooler Gammas.
I think she's definitely a Beta Extrovert.
ENFj Ni subtype 3w4
"And once you lose your way you have two choices. Find the person you used to be or lose that person completely"
formerly onetreehilluver
Seems sort of soft spoken in the posted video. Is that how ESxp types talk? I'd consider ENFj more likely based on what I see.
Yeah, SEEs can typically sound soft spoken, but I don't think it's exactly type related like that.
recently somebody thought it was strange when i told them i had never heard of her. I must be getting really weird. I watched the interview. I think she's definitely beta NF. i could even see IEI. she seems really loud in her persona, but in interviews i've watched she seems more like an sensitive artist who likes theatre.
asd
The girl is kind of a puppet for a bunch of Luciferian sorcerers. She doesn't play much part in how she dresses or what she says. She gets real nervous on camera when that starts to get exposed for this.
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Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
donatella versace. i think she gets a ton of her style from donatella.
i like the new tunes btw. as much as i bust on her i think she's a great artist, really great videos, too.
my personal opinion is probably ENFj, or maybe INFp.
i find it amazing and hilarious that everyone thought she was christina aguilera whenever she first came out, now christina aguilera is basically copping lady gaga's style. irony.
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my friend the other day made a comparison to kate bush. i think this is pretty accurate in a strange way although it wasn't my first thought. utterly crazy, flamboyant artist. fwiw i also think kate bush is probably INFp.
man but how can you not like her? i seriously want to see her live, i bet it's an amazing show. the other day i saw a performance where she said that poker face was about her "obsession with women," which was the coolest thing ever. totally changes the song.
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yeah, whatever her type is, she is really likeable and a really entertaining performer. I'm still guessing ESTp though because she has such a bold quality to her. She is right there, seems very grounded the way she moves too.
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i think she's isfp.
bee and kam seem to like her alot lol.
another popstar i dont really care much about, but her music is not horrid.
The end is nigh
She's got some post-modern promise; she certainly seems like more of a real artist than the female pop icons of the last ten years. I liked the parts where you could see her spine all sticking up when she was in the shower, and the end where she's lying in bed with the skeleton. If she took out the fucking cheesy ass coordinated dance routines and stuck to the solo shots, interactives, and glitter n gore theme, it could be ok.
Oh, and, you know. Entirely different music.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
She's SEE-se IMO. But I can understand how people see her as EIE.
Last edited by Jarno; 12-17-2009 at 11:27 PM.
I think she is either isfp or esfj; she kinda acts like isfp's I've known, with her outlandish behavior. She also seems kinda like Britney Spears, but the difference is she has talent and isn't fragile.
EIE tritype 5w4, 4w5, 9w1
As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being.
Carl Jung, "Memories, Dreams, Reflections", 1962
I have a sense that she, along with her music, that video you linked do very much suit your style. I find it that you will like her too before you told us.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
I agree with this, actually... A less emotionally fragile Britney Spears.
Why do you think that she manifests Alpha values..?
Lady Gaga is.
She mixes pure original narcissism with gonzo porn. And death. She blends a unique look with catchy pop songs. And she is a friend of the gays.
First judy garland, then bette midler, then miley cyrus (and shania twain , and madonna) and now lady gagmyface.
She's interesting, but I don't know about 'talented.' I mean, anybody can dress like an original unique narcissist. Lady Gaga is sort of a diluted version of what I picture the Pure Ideas in my 16types story to look like.
I'm pretty sure Britney Spears is an SEE, as well as Lady Gaga. Instead of placing these girls directly into a quadra, I think everyone should take a deep look at some examples of what Fi egos really look like in comparison to Fe egos, and also try to notice that both of these girls definitely have a Te edge. There is nothing Te-PoLR about them, imo. However there is also the Si vs Se dispute, which is a heavily persuasive argument. I honestly don't think a perception of Se will be corrected unless you can see Fi in there firstly.
I think there is an idea of Si/Ne valuing as fragile and Se/Ni as tough, and what not (however people seem to forget about temperament and especially the essence of the information elements.) It is an Fi ego that can really tend to appear fragile on the outside, due to a formal relational structure carefully being held in place. This is a huge difference when looking at Beta vs Gamma types, SEEs especially, imo.
She relies heavily on novelty, which I attribute to the Alpha quadra. She is talented but she adds theatrics to her performances which I guess doesn't point to a particular quadra but imo makes her some kind of ethical type. I don't see her as intuitive because she is way too comfortable with displaying her sexuality to the public and her songs generally are "light" in comparison to more intuitive cerebral artists; of course, this is just a generalization.
She doesn't write or choreograph her performances. She does not have any say in anything she does. She is a paid circus sideshow for the mainstream pop-culture.
A 'friend of the gays'? All of the media is 'a friend of the gays'.
her originality is somewhat overhyped. she's an imitation of past musicians like madonna, david bowie, marilyn manson. after listening to a few of her songs i think she's a pretty good writer. i can't really relate to her though. She's an interesting cultural phenomenon. Like the new marilyn manson for objectified women. Her portrayal of females is .. disturbingly indulgent.. but it's honest. It's also sort of depressing and nihilistic. For some reason coupling nihilism with femininity makes me uncomfortable. Maybe because it's a denial of my sexuality on some level. I get the same sort of uncomfortable feeling watching lesbians make out.
Last edited by crazedrat; 12-21-2009 at 08:27 PM.
You gave the wrong answer to a rethorical question. Obviously they can, but they generally don't. She does not talk like a typical ESFp in the interviews.Yeah, SEEs can typically sound soft spoken, but I don't think it's exactly type related like that.
Compare her way of talking with this:
Britney Spears (ESFp):
Lady Gaga in an interview again:
I mean, think about it. ESFp has the loudest base function, the most talkative club and the loudest temperament. If a person's being soft-spoken isn't an argument against this type, you might aswell throw all of socioncs out of the window.
It probably is that they select a specific temperament for the role of GaGa and Britney, but the idea that Lady Gaga is an 'artist' or that she plays a dominant role in her productions does not seem to be the case.
Essentially, Gaga and Britney are BOTH pure celebrity with an artist label. They are just MARKETED in different ways.
One trick is to make young people think they can become a pop-star. That is one of the ways they sell records. In this way they make Lady Gaga appeal to a specific crowd, and Britney another.
Britney is sensing marketing, Gaga is intuitive.
I'd be surprised if I were wrong, but I could be.
Let's remember Britney is not ESFp, she is ISFp.
I was thinking that too.
Though my opinion is not strong about her. But I think general consensus is also that she is ISFP
I like this lady
D ISFp's...
=(
The end is nigh
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