Introspection
Is it related to dictomies......
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I've always considered:
Introversion + Intuition = Introspection
That is INxx is "Introspection"
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What are your thoughts
agree/disagree -- place your thoughts and arguments also.
I should mention I am thinking more Kiersey/MBTI on this one than Socionics.... so if you want to consider it with socionics, feel free.
It's quite simpel to check.Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz
If the ENTP's or so on this forum do a lot of introspection the myth is debunked.
But I think I can see what they would mean, and it's probably not a bad guess.
I think intelligent people are introspective, the end.
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cheap answer, what type are intelligent people
Mostly human.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
INXxs are more introspective than ISXxs ESXXs and ENXxs.
Of course, and Ij/Ep > Ej/Ip, when it comes to introspection
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant
--> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
I rely on introspection to guide me in my life's path, and Ni is theoretically my primary function (being IEI), so maybe the two are related. . .I am still trying to figure out what's included in Ni. (I'm a socionics newb)
I'm very introspective... although I thought that almost everyone was to a degree. I don't know how to "Extravert" my thoughts, so finding a way to "get out of my head" would be nice.
I would say that Ni-leading is perhaps the most self-aware and self-doubting...
I see you made a thread about this, neat. My theory is that Extroverted and Sensing IE's are more proactive than Introverted and Intuitive ones, which leads Introverted Intuitive types as being more introspective due to being in a more immobile state
Think how this compliments the Extroverted Sensory duals who're easily the least lethargic types
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Wikipedia:
Extroversion
Extroversion is "the act, state, or habit of being predominantly concerned with and obtaining gratification from what is outside the self".[7] Extroverts tend to enjoy human interactions and to be enthusiastic, talkative and assertive. They take pleasure in activities that involve large social gatherings, such as parties, community activities, public demonstrations, and business or political groups. Politics, teaching, sales, managing, and brokering are fields that favor extroversion. An extroverted person is likely to enjoy time spent with people and find less reward in time spent alone. They tend to be energized when around other people, and they are more prone to boredom when they are by themselves.
Introversion
Introversion is "the state of or tendency toward being wholly or predominantly concerned with and interested in one's own mental life".[7] Introverts tend to be more reserved and less assertive in social situations. They often take pleasure in solitary activities such as reading, writing, drawing, playing musical instruments or using computers. The archetypal artist, writer, sculptor, composer, and inventor are all highly introverted. An introvert is likely to enjoy time spent alone and find less reward in time spent with large groups of people, though they tend to enjoy interactions with close friends. They prefer to concentrate on a single activity at a time and like to observe situations before they participate.[8] Introverts are easily overwhelmed by too much stimulation from social gatherings and engagement. The introvert tends to think thoroughly before verbalising their thoughts.[9]
Introversion is generally not the same as shyness. Introverts choose solitary over social activities by preference, whereas shy people avoid social encounters out of fear.[10]
Ambiversion
Although many people view introversion-extroversion as a dichotomy, most contemporary trait theories (e.g. the Big Five) measure levels of extroversion-introversion as part of a single, continuous dimension of personality, with some scores near one end, and others near the half-way mark.[11] Ambiversion is a term used to describe people who fall more or less directly in the middle and exhibit tendencies of both groups.[7][12] An ambivert is normally comfortable with groups and enjoys social interaction, but also relishes time alone and away from the crowd.
Introspection is the self-observation and reporting of conscious inner thoughts, desires and sensations. It is a conscious mental and usually purposive process relying on thinking, reasoning, and examining one's own thoughts, feelings, and, in more spiritual cases, one's soul. It can also be called contemplation of one's self, and is contrasted with extrospection, the observation of things external to one's self. Introspection may be used synonymously with self-reflection and used in a similar way.
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So introspection and introversion seem to have a correlation in their colloquial descriptions...
The question is, does this fit into Socionics? What about internal object statics makes Ne gregarious, active, or talkative? Does it? Ne dominant does not make me want to go out of my way to shoot the breeze. I can be extremely conversational when people state their interest, but I'm quite content zoning out and intropsecting. I consider myself an ambivert I guess.
We know that introtim's are more focused on perceiving the subjective nature and extrotim's at the objective nature, but does this have any correlation with social libido? Why?
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I basically do that... nearly all of the time. I'm usually thinking "What am I feeling/thinking? what do I think about this, how do I feel about that?" etc. That's like, the description of Ni or Si, I think. It seems very IP. For IPs... your own consciousness and sensations become the self.
ArchonAlarion,
interesting info. Could it be that irrational types, in general, have a tendency to be ambiverts due to a fluctuation in energy level/mood...?
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Agreed but I think you need to consider the presence of Intuition combined with Introversion to get a full potrait of introspection. The reason is:
I think Introverted Sensing types are more liable to spend time doing activities which are solitary in nature but grounded to reality; for example an ISFp playing a musical instrument while they are alone. You wouldn't describe a person simply doing an activity by themselves which they enjoy as introspective.
I think Introverted Intuitive types however are more liable to spend time doing activities in their "inner world" since intuition tends to take this abstract/imaginative/internal quality, and because of that INxx types will tend to explore their inner worlds which is percisely what introspection is.
Alright well in terms of dictomies I'd say INxx.... so translating this into socionics I'd have to review how INxx types work.
First in terms of Functions INxx will lead with
(for Ixxp tempermant) - Internal Dynamics of Fields
(for Ixxj tempermant) - Internal/External Statics of Fields
In other words the leading function will always be concerned with Fields
If they are (Ixxp) these fields will be dynamic
If they are (Ixxj) these fields will be static
Their creative function will be
So the creative is always concerned with Bodies
(Ixxp) => Dynamics
(Ixxj) => Statics
Alright so - The important part
Basically INxx types have a number of characteristics which are key, also these are unique -- they aren't true for all 16 types, only for INxx....
In regards to Fields/Bodies
1) Their Leading Function is always fields - Their Creative always bodies
In regards to Dynamics/Statics
2) Ixxp will always be purely Dynamics in the ego block
3) Ixxj will always be purely Statics in the ego block
In regards to Internal/External
4) Only INTp and INFj will have an External function in Ego block; INTj and INFp are purely internal. No INxx is purely External (and note some types are purely external in ego block).
Someone can interpret these final results... this all is just the pure logic of what INxx means in terms of socionics and functions.
Edit: What I've noticed is that INTp/INFj may have a higher likelyhood of being ambivalent because of the combination of internal/external in their ego block. Second, INxp have a more "go with the flow" attitude because They are Dynamic Fields in their ego block. Third, INxj have a more rigid viewpoint since they are Static Fields - but its not needlessly rigid, it aims to find the characteristics of a relationship which remained unchanged over time and because of that its considered rigid to outside observers who are less interested in such pursuits. Finally introversion in general always has a leading function with fields, thus their leading function is more concerned with relationships than objects; however objects are considered creatively which aids the leading function in understanding relationships.
Lol I'll have to think on this one a bit - but first what is introtim/extrotim
Last edited by male; 11-23-2009 at 02:10 PM.
Yes, I think IP's can be introspective or at least passive and reflective.
Yes, good thought.
But do Si leadings do this? I don't think sensors are more physical and less mental in such a degree. I'd expect a 4w3 ISFp to be quite introspective and even a 9w1 ISFp would be a tad whimsical/dreamy and reflective.
I think this has to do with enneagram correlations.I think Introverted Intuitive types however are more liable to spend time doing activities in their "inner world" since intuition tends to take this abstract/imaginative/internal quality, and because of that INxx types will tend to explore their inner worlds which is percisely what introspection is.
Ti is external not internal.Alright well in terms of dictomies I'd say INxx.... so translating this into socionics I'd have to review how INxx types work.
First in terms of Functions INxx will lead with
INTp and INTj have an external and an internal, INFp and INFj have double internals.In other words the leading function will always be concerned with Fields
If they are (Ixxp) these fields will be dynamic
If they are (Ixxj) these fields will be static
Their creative function will be
So the creative is always concerned with Bodies
(Ixxp) => Dynamics
(Ixxj) => Statics
Alright so - The important part
Basically INxx types have a number of characteristics which are key, also these are unique -- they aren't true for all 16 types, only for INxx....
In regards to Fields/Bodies
1) Their Leading Function is always fields - Their Creative always bodies
In regards to Dynamics/Statics
2) Ixxp will always be purely Dynamics in the ego block
3) Ixxj will always be purely Statics in the ego block
In regards to Internal/External
4) Only INTp and INFj will have an External function in Ego block; INTj and INFp are purely internal. No INxx is purely External (and note some types are purely external in ego block).
okaySomeone can interpret these final results... this all is just the pure logic of what INxx means in terms of socionics and functions.
Edit: What I've noticed is that INTp/INFj may have a higher likelyhood of being ambivalent because of the combination of internal/external in their ego block. Second, INxp have a more "go with the flow" attitude because They are Dynamic Fields in their ego block. Third, INxj have a more rigid viewpoint since they are Static Fields - but its not needlessly rigid, it aims to find the characteristics of a relationship which remained unchanged over time and because of that its considered rigid to outside observers who are less interested in such pursuits. Finally introversion in general always has a leading function with fields, thus their leading function is more concerned with relationships than objects; however objects are considered creatively which aids the leading function in understanding relationships.
They are terms to specify that one is speaking of Field leading types (introtim) or Object leading types (extrotim). They further differentiate socionics terminology from more loosely defined terms like introvert and extravert.Lol I'll have to think on this one a bit - but first what is introtim/extrotim
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