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    Default Ti in ITNJ and ISTJ,

    What is the difference....
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    INTj: -Ti: abstraction, generality, universality, system, classification, typology, general laws, objectivity, true, validity, analysis, logic of a science, criteria.

    ISTj: +Ti: Reality, detail, detailed study, carefulness, severity, place in hierarchies, laws, decisions, instructions, a choice of the best variant, logic of organization.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    What is the difference though in the way the function works, those are byproducts
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    Those are the only distinct differences, as far as I know.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
    Those are the only distinct differences, as far as I know.
    OK, what would be the distinction between Ti in ESTP and ENTP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
    Those are the only distinct differences, as far as I know.
    OK, what would be the distinction between Ti in ESTP and ENTP
    My guess is that Ti of ESTP's delves deeply into realistic matters and the Ti of ENTP's delve deeply into theoretical matters. Since, secondary functions act upon the primary dominant function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Young_and_Confused
    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
    Those are the only distinct differences, as far as I know.
    OK, what would be the distinction between Ti in ESTP and ENTP
    My guess is that Ti of ESTP's delves deeply into realistic matters and the Ti of ENTP's delve deeply into theoretical matters. Since, secondary functions act upon the primary dominant function.
    Excellent! Thatsč exactly what I had in mind.
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    I'm critical of these "aspects" of the functions simply because they could be explained without such a contrivance of the theory by merely noting it as a manifestatino of the information metabolism of a particular type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    I'm critical of these "aspects" of the functions simply because they could be explained without such a contrivance of the theory by merely noting it as a manifestatino of the information metabolism of a particular type.
    Thats what functions are, manifestations of the particular type, but they are different from type to type.
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    What I mean is that one need not posit some sort of aspect in order to explain the differences between the particular functioning of a particular functions between two distinct types, such as the differences in how Ti functions between an INTj and ISTj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    What I mean is that one need not posit some sort of aspect in order to explain the differences between the particular functioning of a particular functions between two distinct types, such as the differences in how Ti functions between an INTj and ISTj.
    Ok, so how would you explain it
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    True, but it's just one more way to categorize things. And socionists seem to like categorizing/characterizing things, wouldn't you say?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Under cerulean skies...

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    Edited for gayness.
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    Transigent has got lots of interesting info for us. Where does he get it from?
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    Transigent said exactly what I said in an expounded form. :/

    ::Needs to be less obscure::
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    Transigent said exactly what I said in an expounded form. :/

    ::Needs to be less obscure::
    You have to use more words to express yourself, not necessarily to change your style. And so you can be sure the way you envision things is understood by others as well. That's probably the best thing I've learned on this forum.

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    I noticed that we talk many times about the same things to the degree that we do not remeber any more who said exactly what. And it may well be some sort of subcouncious learning. For example, somebody said something I could hardly understand but then you come to the ideas which you may perceive as your own while somebody already have said it or mentioned it in a different form. Well, thanks to all who helps me directly and indirectly to understand more about socionics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    Quote Originally Posted by Young_and_Confused
    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan87
    Those are the only distinct differences, as far as I know.
    OK, what would be the distinction between Ti in ESTP and ENTP
    My guess is that Ti of ESTP's delves deeply into realistic matters and the Ti of ENTP's delve deeply into theoretical matters. Since, secondary functions act upon the primary dominant function.
    Excellent! Thatsč exactly what I had in mind.
    Thanks, that also relates to all other types. Fe from an ENFj is different from Fe from an ESFj. Since the two functions blend to become a whole so it's more like FeSi compared to FeNi and those are two different things.
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