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    Default Where to find ENTjs? And typical LIE characteristics/traits.

    So where might typical ENTj's hang out?

    How do they act? How do they stand out from other types, especially ESTjs?

    What is their style of humor?

    It's sad that my dual is one of the types of have the least experience with lol.
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    STOCK MARKET

    DOING INSIDER TRADING

    $$$
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardia View Post
    So where might typical ENTj's hang out?

    How do they act? How do they stand out from other types, especially ESTjs?

    What is their style of humor?

    It's sad that my dual is one of the types of have the least experience with lol.
    yes unfortunately entj's are rare.

    I know an entj guy who works as a ceo. another entj girl words as a sort of nurse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    STOCK MARKET

    DOING INSIDER TRADING

    $$$
    paul tudor jones?
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    My brother's boss is an ENTj. He runs a small business. I know an ENTj from school. Great theatre techie. Sarcastic sense of humor. Efficient and funny. Usually not at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    jean paul tudor?
    Yeah, likely one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardia View Post
    So where might typical ENTj's hang out?
    They are often expats, like for example ...Expat

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    Bardia; you have the misfortune of having one of the rarest duals, and if you're looking for a female specifically, that's even worse...

    Regarding your questions, I found this thread that will most likely suit your needs:

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...real-life.html


    Are you the ethical or the sensory subtype?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xkj220 View Post
    Bardia; you have the misfortune of having one of the rarest duals, and if you're looking for a female specifically, that's even worse...
    i've encountered 2 on dating sites which used mbti.

    Actually ended up dating 1 for a while.

    But I agree, finding them is hard... Though I think when you find one, it's really easy to get aquanted with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    i've encountered 2 on dating sites which used mbti.
    Oh right... Jessica complained that she was getting mostly LIEs and SLEs on dating sites. I suggest you look there. (Of course it will be different looking for a woman.)



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    An LIE (Te subtype) I know has very dead pan humor.

    LSE's are more likely to work in the trades or some other way with their hands (such as being a surgeon). LIE's are unlikely to be attracted to such fields.

    Also, in my experience... LSE's are more likely to focus on the negative aspects of a situation and motivate people by pointing out the bad things that could/will happen if they don't do as they're told (sometimes this takes the form of threats of punishment, depending on the situation).
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    I think the lady who runs one of the offices at my school may be an LIE. It's very entertaining to watch her berate people who fail to follow the very explicitly stated rules. But I'd never want to be on the receiving end of it. She seems to be a really nice person.
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    LIE's tend to be free-spirits of sorts. The kind that do not like other people telling them what to do, start their own business, etc..

    I can only recall ever knowing just one. There's a guy who I've known for some time now who I suspect could be another LIE. This would make me conclude that they're kind of rare, but of course, this is just my experience... I could just be unlucky, or a sucker at typing (-_-). But in here for example, there doesn't seem to be many either.

    They can be mean, engaging in highly toxic sarcasm just like INTps, but for this to happen they must be either not very healthy, or very annoyed at something/someone. Possibly both. Because they are not able to gauge the distance they should keep with other people very well, and they're democratic quadra, it is usually the opposite; they come across as overly formal, polite, and restrained, and they try to treat everyone the same.

    ----
    I'll list here some stuff I've been collecting during my exploration of socionics that might prove useful for anybody viewing this thread:

    Very good type descriptions of ESI and LIE. They're written by a self-typed ESI (Stratievskaya), what makes them particularly valuable as they contain "hints" from the POV of an ESI on how to get along with a LIE (and viceversa). Unfortunately, the machine translations are crappy. I might get around to improving them some other time.

    Very nice VI galleries. It is even possible to differentiate subtypes. For example in the LIE one: the intuitive subtype are the ones that resemble EIE's, usually a tad androgynous just like them. I suspect there are a few mistypes in the gallery, but for the most part it seems good.

    For the ESI's: the ones that look soft and dreamy are the sensory subtype, and the ones that look a little judgmental and "squinty", I think are the ethical subtype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xkj220 View Post
    Are you the ethical or the sensory subtype?
    Most likely ethical. What type are you?

    So from what I have compiled I should look in school offices, symphonies, jessica's dating website, businesses, or give up because they are the rarest type (or maybe hardest to identify?).

    I can't decide if this one girl I was friends with was ENTj or not. When it was just us two it was fun but she became crazy in group settings.
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    There are many LIEs everywhere! Before meeting a LIE before, I was not able to distinguish them and later after becoming close to one, I could do it.

    You can find LIEs in leadership positions. The one I know is a computer engineer (male) and the other one is the pastor's wife. She is involved in many activities and naturally leads.

    LIEs are knowledgeable and are like walking encyclopedia (lol well to me anyway). They like talking about long term goals, the future mostly and how things can run most efficiently. One time I told my LIE friend that I am painting my kitchen. He immediately suggested the most efficient way to do it, that is, use one coat of paint but push really hard to avoid wasting paint.
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    Have you typed your boss??... What is that you say? You're boss isn't an ENTj?? Oh.. I'm sorry.. I meant his boss.
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    Default Stereotypical traits of male LIEs-ENTjs

    What are the main stereotypes/traits of ENTj males. How do they come across on first impression? What are their main interest (excluding money, stock market an other crap )?
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    dominating the discussion.

    business like.

    like to be right and assume they are always right.

    Most have a quick speech.

    arrogant and greedy.

    inquisitive and moments of humor.

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    I think ENTj's more than most types are misrepresented by their sterotypes. (could be biased)

    Besides I think the stereotypes themselves are inconsistent, but it may just be that ENTj's have a very large range of behaviors.

    ENTj sterotypes:
    ambitious
    forceful
    domineering
    assholes
    absent-minded
    business people
    know-it-alls
    nerdy



    that's all I got right now.

    Truthfully, everyone who I've heard talk about an ENTj they knew said they were very friendly, and not as much of an ass they're made out to be. Speaking for myself, I may have been brutally honest at time, but only because I'm giving honest criticism, and I always brace them first. "Can I be honest with you?" Truth is, I'm pretty good at telling how I come off to people, so it's unlikely that I would inadvertently say something to be rude, or unnecessarily forceful.
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    Dunno, ENTj's seem fine to me, not really assholes. I get along quite nicely and they are quite adventurous, which I like. As for know it all's and being ambitious I might agree. The thing is the positive sides of the type remind me of myself, while the negative ones remind me of something I would never be, so just gathering more useless stereotypes to glue a better picture of the said type.
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    - bad humor (sexual jokes)
    - blunt but in a weird way, like one ENTj professor used to throw things at people not listening but with a smile, not really angry
    - energetic
    - love money
    - very easy to get to know
    - kind of intellectual, but less obviously than other NTs
    - can have strange changes of sociability level...sometimes extremely sociable sometimes more introverted. Not related to mood tho.

    these are the ones I fit, I think, and most other ENTjs I know do too (I know 9 of them)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardia View Post
    So where might typical ENTj's hang out?

    How do they act? How do they stand out from other types, especially ESTjs?

    What is their style of humor?

    It's sad that my dual is one of the types of have the least experience with lol.
    your local business or bank. they joke around and say one thing which could mean something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glamourama View Post
    i haven't found LIEs to be any rarer than other types, really.. why does everyone say that? ... not that anyone here can prove anything about type distribution, lol
    agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    - bad humor (sexual jokes)
    - blunt but in a weird way, like one ENTj professor used to throw things at people not listening but with a smile, not really angry
    - energetic
    - love money
    - very easy to get to know
    - kind of intellectual, but less obviously than other NTs
    - can have strange changes of sociability level...sometimes extremely sociable sometimes more introverted. Not related to mood tho.

    these are the ones I fit, I think, and most other ENTjs I know do too (I know 9 of them)
    this more or less describes esfps too

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    and most other ENTjs I know do too (I know 9 of them)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    your local business or bank. they joke around and say one thing which could mean something else.
    STOCK MARKET, that's what I said
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    this more or less describes esfps too
    Yeah, there's a lot of similarity between activity types, I reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Yeah, there's a lot of similarity between activity types, I reckon.
    Are you sure? I mean surely they come from the same quadra and all but still wouldn't consider those kind of types very similar. ENFp and ESTj? ESFj and ENTp? INFp and ISTj? I would never put those types as "very similar" .
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    STOCK MARKET, that's what I said
    Haha pretty much.

    Quote Originally Posted by AQ View Post
    The ENTjs I have met were fun to be with, thanks to their wacky humour. But, yes, like someone else said it, too, I would hate to be caught at the wrong end of it, though I can give it back.

    Yes, they like to rise to leadership positions. An ex-boss (of another division) was ENTJ. He would lay booby-traps for our divisional head, who was INTp. The ENTjs I have met, as also ESTps, exhibited a sense of entitlement to leadership positions, like that is where they belong...

    ENTjs, like quite a few INTps, are restless. So, yes, they tend to travel a lot and change countries very often. I think this is characteristic of Gamma NTs and contrasts well with the Gamma SFs who are extremely family oriented (Fi).
    One ENTj I knew had travelled 28 countries on work-related missions by the time he was 31.

    ENTjs are prominent in academic circles. PhD is a fairly common acquisition with them. You could try there
    What do you mean lay booby-traps for the divisional head?

    Guess I should reconsider going for my PhD haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by AQ View Post
    If I am to explain it with an example:

    The ENTj boss would always make it seem like something exciting was happening at his side, whereas he was one of the most domineering and conservative person one could come across. (He would even lay down a dress code for his staff!)

    Once, a person from my division wanted to join his division. This fella was fairly new. The ENTj told him that there was a vacancy that he cud fill. So, the new guy went and told my INTp boss that he wanted to switch over to the other division. He was fired.

    Also, the ENTj would regularly try to poach people from our department. So, if a lot of that happened, it would reflect poorly on this division's retention statistics.
    The ENTj was basically working to create data that the INTp manager could not manage her own people and, therefore, must be a poor head, and so on and so forth.

    I know it may not seem fair to you, firing someone for wanting to change divisions, but in organisations, the climate has to be understood before suggesting inter-departmental changes. In this particular organisation, the ENTj himself had caused a lot of rift b/n ppl to forward his agendas. And, he was also playing off one against the other to cause confusion amongst people.

    Personally I think, the fellow was fired more to send out a message. It is sad he became a pawn in the ENTj's game. The ENTj was a self-styled enemy of the INTp. There was no reason, at least apparently, for the ENTj to have picked on the INTp.

    Eventually, after a great deal of resilience and sustained goodwill on the INTp's part, the ENTj finally started working w/ our dept. instead of against it.

    So, yes, ENTjs can be a pain in the xxx ...
    What an asshole. Such a guy deserves some violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    What an asshole. Such a guy deserves some violence.
    Agreed.
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    I know several LIEs - most of them are engineers, though another couple are architects, and another owns his own personal training business.

    Yes, they do seem to swing between climbing the ladder at large companies and holding a lot of community leadership positions, or being very independent world traveler sorts. If their job allows it, a bit of both.
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    LIE's definitely seem to have a knack for business management and seem to fall naturally into leadership positions.
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    Most people are afraid of responsibility. There many more tasks and posts of responsibility than there are people willing to take them on. ENTjs are among the types who are seldom afraid of it, of course not always without some hesitation. This is why they seem to "naturally fall" into leadership positions.

    In my opinion, what distinguishes them from other types who are also after posts of responsibility and who therefore also seem to "naturally fall" into them, is that ENTjs tend to be able to actually DO most of what is needed.
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    And from what I've seen, they do it primarily because it needs to be done, not because they want a title.
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    This guy (Karl Denninger)seems to me to be a rather typical one for the breed, not totally sure tho so would be glad for confirmation:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grek0 View Post
    Most people are afraid of responsibility. There many more tasks and posts of responsibility than there are people willing to take them on. ENTjs are among the types who are seldom afraid of it, of course not always without some hesitation. This is why they seem to "naturally fall" into leadership positions.
    I find that responsibility is a driving force in my life. Without it, there's nothing to be done and life gets boring. Obviously too much can be overwhelming, but not having any would render me useless. The more important the responsibility the more it motivates me. Could partly be the Etype 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    I find that responsibility is a driving force in my life. Without it, there's nothing to be done and life gets boring. Obviously too much can be overwhelming, but not having any would render me useless. The more important the responsibility the more it motivates me. Could partly be the Etype 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I want to be Don Vito Corleone
    Marlon Brando or Robert De Niro?
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    Socionics: ENTp
    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I want to be Don Vito Corleone
    Impossible. Stratievskaya says that is it out of the question for LIE's( and ESI's) to be criminals due to their Fi...

    Quote Originally Posted by Stratievskaya
    ...they [LIE's] do not engage in criminal business, in spite of the promising incomes, since this does not allow their system of moral values, to which they are subconsiously oriented.)
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