School of Associative Socionics: Irrational music

[Olga]

Music Id-Superid and Superid-Id

This music contains tragic or sad elements typical for Superid and the cheerfulness of Id. It creates an illusion, caricature, grotesque of the reality and it is about the game between life and death.

[717495]

[Kritik]

Olga, too bad you have to understand russian to appreciate it...

[Olga]

Sorry.
I have a hypothesis that music of the irrational oppositon will be more static in nature or on the surface - more towards Id. And the rational one would more refer to the statics to - to Superego. I would like to check it out. If it is true, then we have something to explain in the theory of socioinics and relate to psychoanalysis too. Because there is dynamic opposition and static one. But rationality and irrationality somehow tend more towards statics Superego or Id. Is it true or not?
The idea of irrationality is that we lough or cry and get pleasure from something we should not! Because it is simply not rational and not human (I wish it would be so, but humans are irrational too).

These are good examples for it:

Illuminate - Todesengel



This a dynamic and cheearful at the same time (?):


And this is similar to the "staic out of order":


This is rather Syperid - Id

[Olga]

Id -Superid
Change Player SizeLa Roux - In For The Kill



Superid-Ego
PJ Harvey & John Parish - Black Hearted Love


Superid-Id
Móa - Joy And Pain (Moa)


Björk "Who Is It"

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Wrong again. All music is irrational, all of it! Music is NOT rational or logical, it is INNATELY emotional. There's no such thing as rational music.

There's the side to us that is romantic, general, emotional. And there is the side that is rational, logical and mathematical.

In truth, logic and rationality is 2+2=4, romance is 2+2=X, 2+2=4, roundabout again infinite times so the answer is backwards 4=2+2. 'the soul is a circle' - Plato. You always come back home again, after you never can go back home. Spherical, breast-shape, round and creative. Non-linear. Open-ended, a vast sea of endless possibilities. That is love.

[717495]

I think music has elements of both rationality and irrationality, and types are inclined to notice one more than the other.

Sometimes this can be quite frustrating even with those in my quadra.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

But the general theme of music is always taking an emotional snapshot of a situation and performing about it.....

[Olga]

We see information everywhere. I wonder if you can see energy or at least assume that objective world have some sort of energy attached to it, which can be in shape, colour, sensatons and so on? It is not all about music. It just happens that music is the best for the analysis from the perspective of energy.
Basicaly it is not overly important what language you chose for description od the matter in question. It still will make sense as all roads lead to Rome. However, if you chose the right one it will be an advantage. So, for me this is socionics. Be postitve and optimisitc, we have got nothing to lose but we may find something on the way to Rome.